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[Vic Sage]

a quote in today's NY Post from Francesa:

"We basically gave him a hard time," Francesa said. "You feel terrible about that."

You'll notice he said "You" would feel terrible not "I" feel terrible. In other words, he used the 2nd person voice. Not even a passive "one feels terrible", but "you". A total displacement of his obvious feelings of guilt.Like all bullies, he's even too gutless to take responsibility for his own feelings.

"oh, vic, its just an expression. you know what he means". well of course i know what he means. he means he feels terrible, just like anybody else would, thus laying off his guilt as a natural response anyone would have in his position.

Own it, Mikey. Your a professional bully. A guy you just bullied on the air flew a plane into a building. If you feel bad about it, say so. don't deflect, evade, water down, pacify, neutralize, or obfuscate your feelings about it.

Am i being overly fussy about his choice of words? Oh, i guess so. After all, why would a guy who gets paid millions to communicate his opinions with words spoken on the radio be accountable for the words he chooses to use?

IMO, words are important, and the words we choose to use reveal our character.

[metirish]

] "We basically gave him a hard time," Francesa said. "You feel terrible about that."

I went looking for that quote in the online post edition but couldn't find the article....I was struck by what he said when I read it this morning in the print edition...what a jerk.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Vic, you're absolutely correct. Good observation.

Why anyone listens to Mike and the Mad Dog is beyond me.

[soupcan]

Edgy DC wrote: If I don't handle this well and behave decently, you bet I'll feel bad. Yeah, I think about what'll happen If I ripped him on Thursday and he was dead on Saturday, sure.

But you ripping into him doesn't mean that you would cause his possible demise on Saturday.

You can't walk around this earth worrying that if you criticize people they will die the next day.

Do whatever you have to do and try to do it in a respectful way. You can't be responsible for other people's misery.

[soupcan]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Vic, you're absolutely correct. Good observation. Why anyone listens to Mike and the Mad Dog is beyond me.

It's entertaining, it's sportstalk.

[Guest Edgy DC]

soupcan wrote: You can't be responsible for other people's misery.

Sure you can, if you're abusive. That entertainment you listen to is on public airwaves passing itself off as discourse and setting a lowering standard for public discouse every day.

A fictional example of the consequences is The Fisher King. A real-world example, though the names may change in your life: Have you ever had this refelection on somebody?:

"Jeez, Tom and Karen were always right-wingers, but they were always cool and respectful and open-minded about it until they started listening to Ann Coulter. Now, they're frothing and abusive and ill-humored and nobody wants to talk them at all."

[Guest Ned Fengus]

Edgy DC wrote: More paragraph breaks, though.

Picky, picky Better?

[Guest Edgy DC]

Seriously, great post, Ned.

[Guest Ned Fengus]

Edgy DC wrote: Seriously, great post, Ned.

Thanks Edge - all donations accepted.

[Frayed Knot]

]what is it with this site? It always wants me to re-log in

When you log in there's some sort of "Remember Me" box which, if checked, should prevent you from having to re-log each time.


P.S. Paragraph breaks just makes one's take more readable.
No one's trying to be an English teacher here (although some will occasionally act like it) but stuff that's tough on the eyes tends to be scanned rather than read.

[Guest Ned Fengus]

Frayed Knot wrote: When you log in there's some sort of "Remember Me" box which, if checked, should prevent you from having to re-log each time.

I've tried it and it doesn't seem to help.

Frayed Knot wrote: P.S. Paragraph breaks just makes one's take more readable.

Yeah, yeah I know. I was just bustin' chops.

[soupcan]

="Edgy DC"] ="soupcan"]You can't be responsible for other people's misery. Sure you can, if you're abusive.

Agreed but that's not what I'm saying.

You can't not do the right thing (in your case the right thing is confronting the board member with his less than productive behavior) just because you're leery of what the person might do as a result of being dressed down.

I said do what you have to in as respectful of a way that you can. If after that the person comes to an untimely end either by his/her own hand or someone else's why should you regret your actions?

This person should be allowed to continue their abusive behavior because you're afraid of what they might do if you confront them with it?

P.S. The M&MD interview is back up at WFAN.com. So much for respect for the dead.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

]They are amazingly pompous (more on that later), arrogant, rude, condescending & and any other like-adjective you would care to apply to them.

Well stated Ned.

[Guest Edgy DC]

My problem is that I'm typically non-confrontational, because once I do let that genie out of the bottle, I tend to lose my composure quickly, turn into a raving dick out of proportion with the situation, and regret it later.

It's all or nothing with me, baby. Milquetoast or firebrand, Danny Kaye or Don Rickles. Which will it be tonight? Tune in tomorrow.

I'm thinking of just giving my report, and ending it with "Gentlemen, if you'll excuse me, the Mets are on. Good evening."

[stevejrogers]

soupcan wrote: ="Yancy Street Gang"]Vic, you're absolutely correct. Good observation. Why anyone listens to Mike and the Mad Dog is beyond me. It's entertaining, it's sportstalk.

Can say the same for any talk radio program.

Ron Kuby said he was set to pop open a special champagne bottle when Ronald Regan died, Lord knows how many insults a Bob Grant, Michael Savage, ect have hurled on the other side as well.

Ditto with even the "humor" shows like Opie and Anthony, Stern, Imus, ect.

It gets to the point where your only two alternatives are music and 24 hour news stations.

[metsmarathon]

funny, i find that when i start screaming a the radio, i tend to either turn the station or continue listening to see if somebody is stupid enough to try and change an ill-formed yet stubbornly held opinion.

the dumber the radio host is acting, teh less likely there is a chance of meaningful dialogue. and without meaningful dialogue, why listen, really?

i guess i'm different. i listen to the radio - yes even sports talk radio - to learn. maybe its to learn what people think, or whats going on in the sports world.

i don't pften find myself yelling at the radio when i listen to 1050. i may disagree with them often, but rarely do i find the need to yell. i figure i'd have a chance, if i actually bothered enough, to call in and actually talk with those hosts, maybe even disagree and be given the time of day to be able to voice my differing opinion.

i wouldn't begin to delude myself into thinking that i could get a word in edgewise on m&md. and therefore i hardly listen to them.

that they would be viewed as a model of what sports talk radio hosts should be like is akin to me of viewing TO as a model of what athletes should be like.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

I play CDs in the car. I'm much happier that way.

[Guest KC]

EDC: >>>once I do let that genie out of the bottle, I tend to lose my composure quickly, turn into a raving dick out of proportion with the situation, and regret it later.<<<

Wow, glad to hear you admit it. I hate that trait in people.

[Guest Edgy DC]

SteveJRogers wrote: ="soupcan"] ="Yancy Street Gang"]Vic, you're absolutely correct. Good observation. Why anyone listens to Mike and the Mad Dog is beyond me. It's entertaining, it's sportstalk. Can say the same for any talk radio program. Ron Kuby said he was set to pop open a special champagne bottle when Ronald Regan died, Lord knows how many insults a Bob Grant, Michael Savage, ect have hurled on the other side as well. Ditto with even the "humor" shows like Opie and Anthony, Stern, Imus, ect. It gets to the point where your only two alternatives are music and 24 hour news stations.

(1) If this is meant to imply that all radio personalities are raving and abusive, that's untrue.

(2) What's wrong with music?

[Theoldmole]

I have XM in my car, which means I can listen to Bob Dylan's Theme Time Radio Hour, Gunsmoke, Philip Marlowe and The Shadow, and small doses of Rob Dibble and Kevin Kennedy or Al Franken, plus a wonderful assortment of music. My 6-year-old grandson likes to listen to the Latino hip-hop station, and I've gotten to like that.

I never even think about Mike and the Dog any more, much less miss them.

[HahnSolo]

Within a half hour of starting their show, Mike and the Mad Dog griped about stealing other team's traditions...Sweet Caroline, Sandman, etc. Like this is important. (side note, I agree on Sweet Caroline)
But they said the Mets fans did the Roll Call, and I was in the stadium and didn't hear it. Anyone else hear it?
I don't know why the Mets allow them to do their show from Shea...they avoid talking about the Mets, and when they do, it's to stir up trouble.

[Guest Edgy DC]

The rollcallers have appeared to be a minority.

[Willets Point]

Think of all the other teams' fans who use the rally cap and some variation on "Ya Gotta Believe!" I think we should sue their asses.

[metirish]

Let us all be happy that we don't have to endure " who let the dogs out" this postseason.

[Willets Point]

Better than "Taking Care of Business."

[Gwreck]

There was no "roll call" at Shea Stadium last night (at least not from 7:30 until the end of the game).

There was some chanting of individual players names (ie. "En-dy Cha-vez" when they were intentionally walking Wright in front of him) and the "Paul Lo-Duca" chants that seem to be at every game, but there was nothing done that remotely approached what's done at the Yankee games (ie. all the players, at the same time, etc).

I'm in total agreement on the Sweet Caroline thing too, but this seems to be a dead horse.

As for Enter Sandman, I guess if you tell a blatant lie and repeat it frequently people take it as truth. If anything, Rivera stole Wagnerr's tradition.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

The whole concept of hanging up signs to count pitcher's strikeouts originated with Mets fans and the K Korner back in 1984.

But the bigger point is that this is a foolish thing to devote radio time to on a major market station, especially when the local team is in the playoffs. It could be inane hot stove chat, or a way to pass time on an off day, but not today. There's enough on-the-field intrigue to fill their entire stupid show.

What did they do after that, talk about the Neilson ratings for last weekend's football games? I always found that especially enthralling.

[metirish]

]What did they do after that, talk about the Neilson ratings for last weekend's football games? I always found that especially enthralling.

hahaha..I fucking hate it when they do that,Russo will ask Francesa to guess the ratings in the NY market and national...of course Mr.know-it-all acts all high and mighty when given the ratings....what an ass.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

I like Who Let the Dogs Out. I like Takin' Care of Business.

Irish and Willets are a couple of fuddy duddies!

[Elster88]

Gwreck wrote: There was no "roll call" at Shea Stadium last night (at least not from 7:30 until the end of the game). There was some chanting of individual players names (ie. "En-dy Cha-vez" when they were intentionally walking Wright in front of him) and the "Paul Lo-Duca" chants that seem to be at every game, but there was nothing done that remotely approached what's done at the Yankee games (ie. all the players, at the same time, etc).

I'll add on to what Gwreck said.

The "roll call" is a very cool thing....but the only part that is unique to Yankee Stadium is the actual part that makes it a roll call, calling out each player one at a time until he waves.

I hate to break it to M&MD and Yankee fans, but the generic four-syllable chant followed by five claps has been happening a long time before bone-headed Yankee bandwagoners came along. "Let Go Hus-Kies" is my personal favorite version of that chant.

If Met fans did the "roll call" portion I would have a problem with it. But they don't, they only do the generic chant. Which of course is fine.

NOTE: I can't STAND the playing of Sweet Caroline. That is genuine thievery. Let's find our own goddam song.