The fate of Steve Trachsel

[metsmarathon]

="Frayed Knot"]Not all that surprising. Brantley seems to have grabbed (been assigned?) the macho guy role on 'BB2N' - right down to his moniker on that show of 'Cowboy' (one I've never heard anywhere else). I was listening to him talk a while back about relievers/closers and he was making the usual point about 9th innings being "different" than others yyybbb. A debatable point certainly, but nothing too unusual about hearing it from a pundit or ex-player. Until, that is, he launches into how that difference affected him in his reliever days claiming that he was the type who needed that kind of pressure to the point where, while he'd sometimes give up runs in non-save-type situations, he NEVER coughed it up when the game was on the line in the 9th because he was able to set his mind to the task. Call me cynical but I'm betting that claim wouldn't stand up to even semi-close scrutiny.

jeff brantley was 23 of 28 save opportunities in 2000.

and i'm just gonna guess, since the record for consecutively converted save opportunities is not held by him and does not stand at about one hundred and fifty, that he actually may have coughed it up when the game was on the line.

but that's just a hunch. purely speculative...

[HahnSolo]

At the risk of getting hammered as bad as Trachsel in game 3, I'm coming out and endorsing Trachsel as the game 7 (if necessary) starter, as long as he's healthy.

Guessing here, but I would bet that Darren Oliver would be the first person to ever start a Game 7 (if necessary) without having made a single start all season. Do we really want to risk that?

My reasonings for Trax in Game 7 (if necessary):
- this is subjective, but I have a hard time believing that he's not chomping at the bit to redeem himself. He did win 15 games this year. And I believe he'll be alright...and I think the Shea crowd will be behind him at the start.
- If Trax has another poor outing, Oliver will be there, just like he has all season to pick the starter up. If Oliver starts and struggles, I don't think you can count on Trax to come out of the bullpen (different mentality and all that) to right the ship.
- Willie's talked all year about "these are my guys, these are my guys; we'll do what we've done all year." Panicking and starting Oliver, IMO, goes against that.

[Guest Edgy DC]

If he's healthy, I go with him. Trax has rebounded from a crap outing more times than I can count. If he doesn't have it, all hands will be on deck, and Willie is clearly not shy about a quick hook.

[Guest cooby]

I wish Trachsel could read this; I think we are the only supporters he has

[metirish]

] I wish Trachsel could read this; I think we are the only supporters he has

I believe Trax when he says this..

] I don't think that's fair, considering I've been waiting 13 years for this opportunity, and I've never done that ever, ever, ever,"

It's quite a contrast when you compare how Delgado is doing after waiting his whole career to play in the postseason like Trax has.


I feel bad for the guy even though he stank.

[Guest cooby]

Somebody should invite him here. Yancy.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

="HahnSolo"] If Trax has another poor outing, Oliver will be there, just like he has all season to pick the starter up. If Oliver starts and struggles, I don't think you can count on Trax to come out of the bullpen (different mentality and all that) to right the ship.

Oliver coming in after Trachsel has given up five runs doesn't help win the game, though.

I'd let Oliver start, and if he struggles, then it's all hands on deck. Trachsel's had two bad outings in a row. I don't want to see him start Game 7.

The Cards are weak against lefties. They're strong against Trachsel. Oliver's not ideal, but we saw him go six scoreless innings. That's as good as a start to me.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

And Oliver's had one (1) good outing in a row. Leading up to that appearance, Oliver's been pretty bad dating back to September.

It's all hands on deck anyway. Were it up to me I'd prolly give Trax the ball with the understanding that the second he encounters trouble Oliver's there.

Of course if Ollie starts the same thing applies.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Yeah, the idea isn't to allow Trax to dig a five-run hole.

But Trachsel in support of Oliver seems far more desperate than Ollie is support of Trachsel.

If Ollie chokes, you send Trachs out there as an undermined starter who has made all of one relief appearance (1995) in his career?

[metirish]

What happens if we need a longman tonight or for game six?,that would throw a spanner in the works.

[Guest Edgy DC]

We say "fly in the ointment" over here.

One more foreign dialectal expression out of you, buddy, and...

The game at hand is a top priority. If the Mets can win by runnnig Oliver out there, they do.

Perez, as it stands, is also a longman in the pen. And if mopup duty calls, nobody will be shy about stretching Roberto Hernandez.

[metirish]

] Perez, as it stands, is also a longman in the pen.

So game seven could be started by Oliver with Perez as the longman...Oliver / Perez...cool.

[smg58]

I'm with Edgy and cooby as far as giving Trachsel the chance to start goes. I also think Oliver has to be ready very quickly if Steve runs into trouble.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Things will be so much nicer if the Mets can win tonight and tomorrow.

Thursday's game is looking like a desperate mess.

[Guest cooby]

Maybe that will happen

[MFS62]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Things will be so much nicer if the Mets can win tonight and tomorrow. Thursday's game is looking like a desperate mess.

As I posted in the Quotes of 2006 thread:

]When asked yesterday about who would start game 7 of the NLCS, Traschel or Oliver, Willie Randolph said: "The best thing we can do is win this in six".

Willie seems to agree with you. So do we all.

Later

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

The thought of a Game 7 is as frightening, for different reasons, as it was in the 1986 NLCS.

Of course, if the Mets lose tonight (must... not... happen...) we'll be desperately hoping for a Game 7, rather than rooting against it.

[MFS62]

="Yancy Street Gang"]The thought of a Game 7 is as frightening, for different reasons, as it was in the 1986 NLCS.

Hey! You just came up with another 1986/2006 similarity for that thread.

Later

[nymr83]

I'd start Traschel but i'd have a guy warming the entire game and ready to make a quick hook, and i mean QUICK. if he walks the 1st two batters he does not face Pujols. if he lets 3 men on in any inning he's out of here.


Oliver and Perez 1-2-3
Hernandez 5-6
Bradford 5-6
Mota 7
Heilman 8
Wagner 9
Feliciano- a big lefty anywhere from the 4th to 7th

[dinosaur jesus]

The fate of Steve Trachsel? If he pitches again like he did last time, defenestration.

[MFS62]

dinosaur jesus wrote: The fate of Steve Trachsel? If he pitches again like he did last time, defenestration.

What is Defenestration?
The act of throwing something or someone out of a window.

Nice word.

Later

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I think that was popular in Florence during the Middle Ages.

Popular for the throwers and the fans, if not for the defenestrated.

[Willets Point]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: I think that was popular in Florence during the Middle Ages. Popular for the throwers and the fans, if not for the defenestrated.

Depends on where they land.