Scoring the Game

[Centerfield]

The term "out" has also taken on a second meaning in this thread.

[seawolf17]

(sigh)

[Guest Edgy DC]

The term "hit" is going to take on a new meaning if you keep imposing sexualized nun imagary into my already messed-up romantic history.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

There's no sighing in baseball!

[Guest cooby]

this would make a boffo avatar

[Willets Point]

I don't think Mrs. Payton would approve.

[Gwreck]

[Yanking this back on topic]

Re: Marking the advancement of baserunners.

Interesting that you use "T" to mark advancement on a throw. I was always under the impression that the official term for that was "runners moved up" (and hence the abbreviation RMU).

My love of scoring came from a love of boxscores as a kid -- and that term I learned from the NY Times boxscores, which is the only place I see that line in the boxscore used. I can't seem to find an official definition though.

[Methead]

I'd see the difference as :

RMU = guy on 2nd moving to 3rd on a grounder to the right side

T = guy singles, advancing to 2nd on a throw to the plate

[Gwreck]

Methead wrote: I'd see the difference as : RMU = guy on 2nd moving to 3rd on a grounder to the right side T = guy singles, advancing to 2nd on a throw to the plate

I was pretty sure though that guy moving 2nd to 3rd on grounder is advancing on a fielder's choice. Unless he's not forced?

[Methead]

Heh. True... I guess I'm thinking in terms of RMU as a boxscore notation, rather than a note on a scorecard.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I think the term "fielder's choice" only applies to a batter who reaches first base. But I could be wrong on that one.

I used T to indicate a runner advancing on a throw long before there was an RMU acronym. If a runner advances from second to third on a ground ball out, I'd mark the corner for third base with the uniform number of the batter who grounded out. Again, that's the method I made up; it's possible that I'm the only one who does that.

[Elster88]

The opposite can be true.

If, on a grounder, the fielder inexplicably threw to first, the runner is said to have advanced to first on a fielder's choice. Or on a grounder with runners on first and second, if the lead runner is gotten at third, then the runners reached first and second on fielder's choices.

[Willets Point]

Gwreck is good at yanking the thread back on topic. We probably said all that could be said regarding sexy nuns and gay batmen anyhow.

[Gwreck]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: I think the term "fielder's choice" only applies to a batter who reaches first base. But I could be wrong on that one.

See, now I think I remember. (Thanks Yancy!)

You're right, a fielder's choice can only be scored if a runner advances to first base.

Otherwise it's "normal" advancement on a play (without a specific "official" scoring term). And that I don't have a system for, although I think I might incorporate your idea...

[Elster88]

Gwreck wrote: ="Yancy Street Gang"]I think the term "fielder's choice" only applies to a batter who reaches first base. But I could be wrong on that one. See, now I think I remember. (Thanks Yancy!) You're right, a fielder's choice can only be scored if a runner advances to first base. Otherwise it's "normal" advancement on a play (without a specific "official" scoring term). And that I don't have a system for, although I think I might incorporate your idea...

Incorrect. It is as I explained it. IIRC, it is pretty much anytime a fielder has choices and gets an out but someone else advanced --- although it's dependent on whether the official scorer called an error.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

From MLB.com:

] FIELDER'S CHOICE is the act of a fielder who handles a fair grounder and, instead of throwing to first base to put out the batter runner, throws to another base in an attempt to put out a preceding runner. The term is also used by scorers (a) to account for the advance of the batter runner who takes one or more extra bases when the fielder who handles his safe hit attempts to put out a preceding runner; ( to account for the advance of a runner (other than by stolen base or error) while a fielder is attempting to put out another runner; and (c) to account for the advance of a runner made solely because of the defensive team's indifference (undefended steal).

[soupcan]

Elster88 wrote: Incorrect. It is as I explained it. IIRC, it is pretty much anytime a fielder has choices and gets an out but someone else advanced --- although it's dependent on whether the official scorer called an error.

I agree with Elstah on this and that's how I always score it.

[Frayed Knot]

You can pretty much use the term "Fielder's Choice" in either case, but FC is specifically designed to account for the batter; the fielder could have gotten him out but chose to do something else instead - ergo it's an out against the batter's record.
Saying that a runner advanced on an FC can be true but it's really no more descriptive than a runner advancing on say a fly out; it's simply a runner moved up where the fielder may or may not have had an option of making a different out.