IGT - Mets @ Phillies - Wagner sucks

[Frayed Knot]

]Keith, please drop the "clutch" stuff down a bit.

Yes, absolutely.
And the worst part is that they're getting these "clutch" stats off of stat sheets telling them that Joe Blow is hitting .429 w/RiSP or some such ultra-selective category and then the screen flashes up that it's all based on 4-for-7


Lots of little culprits tonight:

- One Philly triple was catchable and the other certainly shouldn't have been as lonely in the corner as it was. X-Man doesn't seem to get good jumps on balls.

- Reyes's baserunning gaffe was the biggest. Not only was a steal there not all that important but to get caught on the fake-to-3rd play is inexcusable. Not his first time for that play IIRC.

- Heilman's throw obviously; he should have let LoDuca take that. Hitting Rollins (and almost Abreu) with a 2-strike count wasn't too cool either.

- LoDuca's desperation/swipe tag when it wasn't necessary. If he holds on to that throw and simply turns toward the runner with it they've got him cooked.




Nice almost comeback though.

[Guest cooby]

I was just glad he didn't break his arm edit: Loduca

[metirish]

]I'll second that comment above made no sense.

Do you mean my post?

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

No, GYC's contention that poor fielders should be closers, or whatever.

[Guest Edgy DC]

]If I'm LoDuca, I feel worse about not gathering in that relay allowing the 8th inning run than that last play.

You're just blinded by your love for the no-longer-perfect Duaner.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

I'm not saying not catching that throw was a *bad* play, just that there's going to be only a few times a year where a tough but makeable failure to make a play at plate makes such a big difference in a game. The ball between he and Heilman was just one of those things.

The Reyes pickoff was a worse play by far.

[nymr83]

Edgy DC wrote: ]If I'm LoDuca, I feel worse about not gathering in that relay allowing the 8th inning run than that last play. You're just blinded by your love for the no-longer-perfect Duaner.

can i borrow someone's glasses magnifying glass?, i can't see Duaner's ERA.

[Zvon]

="Frayed Knot"] Lots of little culprits tonight: - One Philly triple was catchable and the other certainly shouldn't have been as lonely in the corner as it was. X-Man doesn't seem to get good jumps on balls.

As you know from this thread, I agree with the first play. The second?.....it was literally on the line and took a humungous bounce. He should have played it cleanly off the wall/corner, but I think Delucchi still gets three there.

Baseball Tonight brought something to my attention I didnt notice at all during the broadcast- That Delgado was playing in with runners at 2nd and 3rd in the 2nd when Rollins singled past him. He must have been in for a possible play at the plate. But with no force you cant play it that way.... he was in and the ball got through the infield easily. Two ribbies for Rollins

] - Reyes's baserunning gaffe was the biggest. Not only was a steal there not all that important but to get caught on the fake-to-3rd play is inexcusable. Not his first time for that play IIRC.

Logically your correct on both counts- but considering he was safe by more than enough to get the call, even though it was bonehead baseball, the horrible call overides that. (imo)

] - Heilman's throw obviously; he should have let LoDuca take that. Hitting Rollins (and almost Abreu) with a 2-strike count wasn't too cool either.

Totally agree-abosolutilly.
I saw a side view of that throw and Heilman really blew that big time--it almost went into the stands way right of first base.

Once Delucchi was on third with 2 out it didnt matter that he hit Rollins. Maybe even sets up an easier force play for the third out. And he got Abreu to hit a dribbler. It all comes down to that throw, and Heilman not making way for LoDuca (who was shouting for the play--I know-it was a loud crowd)

]- LoDuca's desperation/swipe tag when it wasn't necessary. If he holds on to that throw and simply turns toward the runner with it they've got him cooked.

Id have to see this play again. I would have rather seen the ball come from Matsui without a hop. It was a huge run though, one we should have stopped, no matter how we slice it.

] Nice almost comeback though.

It almost was.
Quite a game.

[Zvon]

What Im gonna take away from this game is that we got to Flash Gordon.

Thats a positive and dont underestimate the importance of this.

He has been fantastic since the seasons start, and the Mets are the ones to dent his armor.
Even tho the Phils dented Sanchez's, I think getting to Gordon is big, bigger, and will make a difference next time he's in a save situation vs the Mets.

And thats important if your gonna beat Philly.

[Frayed Knot]

Not saying that Nady should have had that 2nd triple -- only that it had a lot of hang time and he still wasn't in the picture by the time it landed. He seems to play fly balls rather cautiously at first instead of sprinting to where he thinks it's going to be and then adjusting. Even the catches he does make he tends to make just as he gets there. The 1st triple was a perfect example of just getting there, while Juan Pierre robbing Barry of #714 is one of getting to the spot first.

What mattered in hitting Rollins wasn't erely that he hit him but that he was ahead in the count 0-2

It just suxx that the Phils were able to win on a so-so fly ball, HBP, BB & swinging dribbler.


Reyes could have been safe by 12 feet and it would still be a dumb move.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

F'ing Rollins was also standing on home plate when that pitch arrived.

[Centerfield]

This game pissed me off.

I tuned in after Philly scored their runs, but with the way Pedro was throwing, I know they had no business at all scoring three off him.

What is up with these damn umps? First, the non-call on the Reyes blooper that ended up with Pedro being out at second. Burrell short-hopped the ball...there was absolutely no reason there should have been any delay in that call. That is a bad job by the umps. Second, Reyes was safe at second. It's a bonehead play but that doesn't mean he should be automatically out. Third, the strike zone...how high was that pitch to Matsui? It was such a bad call even the Baseball Tonight guys commented about it. Fourth, how that same strike zone magically shrank with Heilman on the mound. I know we got a gift on Opening Day, but haven't we paid the piper by now?

What the fuck Reyes. Tying run up at the plate. Stay put.

Delgado's HR should have been a 3-run shot. Beltran smoked that pitch from Gordon.

And then it ended on that suckass play. As far as I'm concerned, I think we've made up for the Soriano call on Opening Day and Washington's throw-away double play ball. We're due for some more good luck.

[soupcan]

What CF said.

Dammit.

[Elster88]

]It was such a bad call even the Baseball Tonight guys commented about it

You know you're a bad ump when those clowns get it right and you don't.

[HahnSolo]

I didn't see a lot of this game, but I was in the car for the 9th inning, and later saw the replays. Two questions:

- Strike 3 on Matsui. From the replay it looked a little high, but clearly too close to take. Was the ump calling the high strike all game? I should note that on the radio Howie did not make a big deal about it being a bad call, I think he just said it was up in the zone.

-Dellucci's triple. From the replay it looked like the ball hit a restraining barrier above the wall. I don't know the ground rules in that park, but should that have been a ground rule double? McCarthy kept saying on the radio that the ball hit the top of a high wall, but when I saw the replay that clearly was not the case.

[duan]

HahnSolo wrote: I didn't see a lot of this game, but I was in the car for the 9th inning, and later saw the replays. Two questions: - Strike 3 on Matsui. From the replay it looked a little high, but clearly too close to take. Was the ump calling the high strike all game? I should note that on the radio Howie did not make a big deal about it being a bad call, I think he just said it was up in the zone.

I didn't see this ... BUT the umpires strike zone was ALL OVER the place during the game. It was absolutely shocking.

[Centerfield]

HahnSolo wrote: - Strike 3 on Matsui. From the replay it looked a little high, but clearly too close to take. Was the ump calling the high strike all game? I should note that on the radio Howie did not make a big deal about it being a bad call, I think he just said it was up in the zone.

I disagree. It was clearly high. If Matsui had swung at it, he would be getting skewered for swinging at Ball 4.

[Frayed Knot]

The ump had a big zone the whole game and particularly so at the top of the zone. The first pitch of the game to Reyes was at the upper chest and was called which pretty much set the tone.
The difference with Matsui's strike is that it was a breaking ball meaning that it was even higher as it passed him than it was when the catcher caught it. Bad call.



The Delucci triple stayed in play. It landed right on the line, then kicked sideways and bounced against the side wall which is considerably higher than the reg OF wall. A bad break followed by a bad break.

[Elster88]

Centerfield wrote: ="HahnSolo"] - Strike 3 on Matsui. From the replay it looked a little high, but clearly too close to take. Was the ump calling the high strike all game? I should note that on the radio Howie did not make a big deal about it being a bad call, I think he just said it was up in the zone. I disagree. It was clearly high. If Matsui had swung at it, he would be getting skewered for swinging at Ball 4.

Matsui will get skewered no matter what he does.

[Zvon]

Frayed Knot wrote: Not saying that Nady should have had that 2nd triple -- only that it had a lot of hang time and he still wasn't in the picture by the time it landed. He seems to play fly balls rather cautiously at first instead of sprinting to where he thinks it's going to be and then adjusting. Even the catches he does make he tends to make just as he gets there. The 1st triple was a perfect example of just getting there, while Juan Pierre robbing Barry of #714 is one of getting to the spot first.

Ya know, you got a good point there.
Seeing the play again today it had so much hang time that it dropped straight down on a line out of the sky ( hence the humongous bounce).
Yea, he's an adventure out there the way he circumnavagates right field.

The second inning triple-if he gets to that spot, stands there---he dont even have to jump- he can reach up and catch the flyball.

Still, Nadys bat and timely hitting has been a big plus.
I like that lil hop/skip (or whatever yud call it) he takes after connecting well on a pitch.
Like a recoil or something.
Thats freaky.

[Frayed Knot]

I guess X-man failing to come up with that 9th inning triple just proves that the old expression is really true:
Nobody puts Nady in a corner

[Centerfield]

Wow. Fantastic.