Pedro's Compadres

[Guest martin]

anderson's coopers could dye their hair gray and go around reporting the latest news on hernandez.

[nymr83]

if people showed up in turbans i'd just laugh.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

As long as they're Mets fans doing stupid, ethnically-insensitive shit, they're just dumbasses. Let them do something to rip Pedro or the Mets, though, and they'll be begging to be called only nice things like "jerks." They'd be evil demons, really, or moronic flaming shit-heads. Retarseholes, maybe.

Pah, I spit on them and their retarded evil scummy ways. Make me sick, they do. Huuuuck-toooey!

[nymr83]

if the player (here pedro) were offended then they'd be jerks if they continued doing it.

the "wolf pack" for randy wolf was cool but all the biters around the league (and the other ones in philly) are just dumb.

[Willets Point]

martin wrote: the doubting thomases could hold signs that say: "glavine is too old!" , "he cant keep this up!".

Sign me up! I should make these signs for tomorrow's game.

[Centerfield]

An interesting development for those of you that don't read MOFO any longer...

From nickstur, friend of the Compadres:

You are gonna wanna read what I'm about to write:

Ddoggy is a member of pedros compadres he's my friend, and I was asked to go that night but couldn't because I had work.
So everybody criticizing is obviously jealous
This pedros compadres generated a lot of publicity, a lot of attraction, and isn't that a good thing? PEople come to the stadium, see the comapdres, and point and smile, it's funny
why is nationality such a huge idea everywhere on everything?
They should've dressed as strictly Dominicans right? Let us know what we can do to dress exactly like a Dominican. Ddoggy had the idea, and it was great...sombreros look good, so do mustaches, Pedro is latino so it wasn't totally out of plcae, nobody cares what nationality anybody is, so being offended would be retarded, and compadres is a latino term so that also fit. I know that these compadres had a **** load of fun, how could they not? Jumping up and down, getting all the attention. It's a Mets game...IT'S A GAME!!, it's supposed to be fun and they had it. I hope we do it again on his next start

for anybody who doesn't have a life and spends hours a day talking about pointless garbage, u can continue to criticize. Try doing something on your own time to have fun, but make sure you don't drink too much, because then omg it's offensive to irish people, because they drink alot!!

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Oooh, he played the "get a life" card!

[metirish]

Wht would anyone drinking too much be offensive to Irish people?

[nymr83]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Oooh, he played the "get a life" card!

at which point you have to play the "you post here too" card.

[nymr83]

metirish wrote: Wht would anyone drinking too much be offensive to Irish people?

the people who drink too muchat ball games quickly become offensive to everyone

[Centerfield]

And here we were thinking they were just a bunch of ignorant morons.

Silly us.

[Frayed Knot]

At least he writes real goodly and his syntax and speling r good two!

[metsmarathon]

="Centerfield"]An interesting development for those of you that don't read MOFO any longer... From nickstur, friend of the Compadres: You are gonna wanna read what I'm about to write: Ddoggy is a member of pedros compadres he's my friend, and I was asked to go that night but couldn't because I had work. So everybody criticizing is obviously jealous This pedros compadres generated a lot of publicity, a lot of attraction, and isn't that a good thing? PEople come to the stadium, see the comapdres, and point and smile, it's funny why is nationality such a huge idea everywhere on everything? They should've dressed as strictly Dominicans right? Let us know what we can do to dress exactly like a Dominican. Ddoggy had the idea, and it was great...sombreros look good, so do mustaches, Pedro is latino so it wasn't totally out of plcae, nobody cares what nationality anybody is, so being offended would be retarded, and compadres is a latino term so that also fit. I know that these compadres had a **** load of fun, how could they not? Jumping up and down, getting all the attention. It's a Mets game...IT'S A GAME!!, it's supposed to be fun and they had it. I hope we do it again on his next start for anybody who doesn't have a life and spends hours a day talking about pointless garbage, u can continue to criticize. Try doing something on your own time to have fun, but make sure you don't drink too much, because then omg it's offensive to irish people, because they drink alot!!

that doesn't even make sense.

would you dress like an italian to commemorate the accomplishments of an irishman, or a ukranian?

wouldn't saying "eh, its white folk, so its all the same. irish, italian, whatever" be equally stupid, and offensive to all those with brains. because stupidity is offensive.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

His point is that it's not offensive if the people who are doing the offending are having a good time.

[metirish]

I think Yancy just summed it up perfectly......

[metsmarathon]

oh, well, as long as they're enjoying themselves, then its perfectly ok.

[nymr83]

How abou this: It's not offensive until Dominicans tell me it's offensive.

Here you are a bunch of middle age white guys telling everyone what is offensive to Dominicans, lets let them make that call.

[metsmarathon]

i'm not middle aged, and i'm half spanish.

not that that makes me dominican or even remotely latino (or remotely not caucasian for that matter) ... i'm just sayin' is all.

[metirish]

I'm Black Irish so there.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

If the Dominicans said they were offended, they'd be told to get a life, and that it's all in fun.

The way to behave in society isn't to do potentially offensive things until you're told to stop. People are proud of their heritages, and to be told that being Dominican is the same as being Mexican is offensive. Whether it caused outrage or head shaking is another matter. But to pretend it's NOT offensive at all just doesn't ring true.

[nymr83]

metsmarathon wrote: i'm not middle aged, and i'm half spanish. not that that makes me dominican or even remotely latino (or remotely not caucasian for that matter) ... i'm just sayin' is all.

i think 99% of this board could accurately be defined as "white," i know of only three women who post, and i'm reasonably sure there are less than 5 people under 30, since i've never met any of you can tell me if i'm wrong.

my point was simply that i'm not going to label this offensive when i don't know how the people who are allegedly being offended feel about it.

[nymr83]

]If the Dominicans said they were offended, they'd be told to get a life, and that it's all in fun.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd take the "it's offensive" argument seriously coming from a Dominican, I would not take it seriuosly coming from anyone else.

] The way to behave in society isn't to do potentially offensive things until you're told to stop. People are proud of their heritages, and to be told that being Dominican is the same as being Mexican is offensive. Whether it caused outrage or head shaking is another matter. But to pretend it's NOT offensive at all just doesn't ring true.

according to you, who, i'm sure, are not Dominican.

Get me a Dominican on here who says he's offended by "Pedro's Compadres" (you don't have to actually invite one, just find me a link or something.)

[Willets Point]

I think we are all capable of empathy and by analogy understand why this could be offensive. Ignorance and stupidity is not just offensive Dominicans but to all of humanity.

[nymr83]

It is incredible how easily you guys get bent out of shape over what you perceive as potentially offensive.
A few guys wearing sombreros are now "ignorant and stupid" and "offensive to all of humanity"? get off your high horse there willets.

[Guest old original jb]

My take on the "Compadres" and their costumes is that their shtick is probably more stoopid than offensive. In fact it's so stupid that it's hard to take it seriously enough to be offended--which may be it's saving grace. It's the 21st Century, for crying out loud. But I wouldn't blame any Dominican or Mexican for finding it offensive and I'm sure that some will.

I wonder what Pedro thinks of his unsolicited "compadres".
I would speculate that, from what I've seen of his public persona, Pedro himself would be magnanimous enough to be nice about it, but I wouldn't be surprised if his private response had a lot of annoyance mixed in. Something along the lines of "I appreciate that they appreciate me, but can't they find some other way to do it?" Maybe he could find a clever way to tell them to can the sombreros.

The Compadres internet defender says it's all in fun, and I'll be happy to take him at his word. To me, it isn't nearly clever enough to be that much fun. Then again, I wasn't too fond of the hardhats either. To me, the "fun" at a baseball game is, um, the baseball game.

The most telling line this fellow posted was that the compadres are "gettin all the attention". Somehow I think that tells you all you need to know.

[Vic Sage]

i don't need to produce an angy Dominican for your satisfaction. All i need is to be offended by the off-handed way these guys equate being Mexican with being Dominican because, you know, they're all Latinos, so whats the big deal... and it was all in fun, so get a life...

Just like you don't need to be Jewish to eat Levy's rye bread, and you don't have to be a Quaker to eat Quaker Oats, i don't have to be a Dominican to be offended by racial insensitivity performed publicly (even if they didn't intend for it to be mean-spirited) in the spirit of having a good time.

It doesn't matter if Pedro was offended. I AM offended. Or would be, if i gave much thought to it. Which, of course, doesn't mean they shouldn't do it. I tend to encourage offensive behavior, generally. But at least i don't pretend its NOT offensive.

[Willets Point]

I don't think its a high horse to follow the golden rule - treat others how you want to be treated. I can imagine that someone behaving in a way that is stereotypical or shows an ignorance of my own culture (whether that be Irish heritage, American, New Englander, Mets fan, etc.) would not be pleasing to me, therefore seeing people behave in a way that is stereotypical of Mexicans and ignorant of Martinez's Dominican heritage is also not pleasing to me.

[nymr83]

]Just like you don't need to be Jewish to eat Levy's rye bread, and you don't have to be a Quaker to eat Quaker Oats, i don't have to be a Dominican to be offended by racial insensitivity performed publicly in the spirit of having a good time.

and you don't have to be Mexican to eat a Taco, but thats not the argument here at all. you DO have to be jewish to say that a caricature of a big-nosed jew is offensive and you do have to be a quaker to find something about quakers offensive (sorry can't think of any quaker stereotypes that get made fun of at the moment.) for someone else to find something offensive when persons of the nationality/race/religion that they say is being offended don't find it offensive doesn't make it offensive, it might even mean that THEY, the over-eager defender of bullshit political correctness, are in fact the ones being offensive because they don't understand the culture that they think they are defending.

wow big paragraph... let me try and put that a little more succinctly... if the Mets had Sandy Koufax and a group of fans decided to be "Sandy's Chaverim ("Friends" in hebrew) and wear comical fake beards and black hats should you be offended if the jews on the board told you that they were not? i can't imagine how the answer to that could be "yes"

]I don't think its a high horse to follow the golden rule - treat others how you want to be treated

and since i wouldnt be offended if people did something similiar with my culture, heck i'd be laughing it up weith them, i AM treating others as i'd like to be treated.

[Elster88]

Nymr83 wrote: ]Just like you don't need to be Jewish to eat Levy's rye bread, and you don't have to be a Quaker to eat Quaker Oats, i don't have to be a Dominican to be offended by racial insensitivity performed publicly in the spirit of having a good time. and you don't have to be Mexican to eat a Taco, but thats not the argument here at all. you DO have to be jewish to say that a caricature of a big-nosed jew is offensive and you do have to be a quaker to find something about quakers offensive (sorry can't think of any quaker stereotypes that get made fun of at the moment.) for someone else to find something offensive when persons of the nationality/race/religion that they say is being offended don't find it offensive doesn't make it offensive, it might even mean that THEY, the over-eager defender of bullshit political correctness, are in fact the ones being offensive because they don't understand the culture that they think they are defending.

Are you kidding me? If someone says "All n--- are poor and illiterate and stupid", I can't be offended because I'm not black?

Seriously, THINK about what you are saying.

[Guest old original jb]

Nymr83 wrote: . let me try and put that a little more succinctly... if the Mets had Sandy Koufax and a group of fans decided to be "Sandy's Chaverim ("Friends" in hebrew) and wear comical fake beards and black hats should you be offended if the jews on the board told you that they were not? i can't imagine how the answer to that could be "yes"

I'm fine with it if a non-Jew finds it offensive even if I don't. People have a right to be offended on my behalf even if I'm not.

As a Jew, I'd probably have more of a fealing of queasy embarassment seeing the Compadres in their faux Orthodox garb, not for me but for them for being so stoopid.

I feel a sort of sympathetic embarassment in the presence of idiots, and believe that the power of trivializing condescension is often stronger than the power of righteous indignation. Of course you do have to be careful what you choose to trivialize.

And yes, I'm calling them idiots. Benign, and maybe even well intended, but still idiots. That they are sloppy with their iconography and think that I came to Shea to be entertained by them makes them so in my eyes, regardless of who or what else they may be in life.