All Purpose Schaefer Discussion Thread

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I agree. Floyd is the big contributor, but Beltran has to be a fairly close second. Floyd put the Mets back in the game, Beltran knocked the Cubs out of it.

[Elster88]

I can't speak for others, but I'm scoring based on the whole game performance, not just on their home runs.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I sense declining interest in the Schaefer POTG award. (Maybe we have lower attendence during the summer months.)

Anyway, two of the three Cubs games are undervoted. Voting will close on Wednesday morning.

[Willets Point]

I haven't been voting much lately because I haven't been watching many games lately (I actually marked a spot on my schedule so that I make time to watch tonight's game!). I have a formula for awarding points derived from the box score but it doesn't account for things that may add points (great defensive plays) or subtract points (baserunning blunders) that I would notice if I watch the game. If you want votes I'll go through the box scores and just award points based on that but I do try to keep this honest by keeping aware of "the intangibles" so I don't want to skew your data either. Let me know!

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Well, I like this to be as much of a consensus as possible, meaning the more voters the better, but on the other hand, if you feel that you don't have sufficient information to vote, I'm not going to tell you that you should vote anyway.

For what it's worth, I vote on games I haven't watched. I look at the box score and read the game accounts. In such cases I may end up not throwing a half point or so to somebody who did something intangible, but in most cases I try to give more points to fewer players. It's because we all have such different voting styles that I like to see higher vote counts, so that more perspectives contribute.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

How much beer do you suppose Beltran snatched away from Nady with that bomb last night? I thought this might be the day X-Man gets the drunkest.

Has that ever happened this year?

[metsmarathon]

sorry. with the move, and a busyness at work, i haven't been able to dole out barley-pop in what feels like a month.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Johnny Dickshot wrote: How much beer do you suppose Beltran snatched away from Nady with that bomb last night? I thought this might be the day X-Man gets the drunkest. Has that ever happened this year?

I've been wondering about that kind of stuff myself, so I made a little enhancement to the Schaefer results. It now lists the leading pointgetter for each game:

http://potg.leaptoad.com/mets/year.php?year=2006

Nady's been the POTG twice: On April 16 and July 4.

[Elster88]

How many perfect 6's in the two years? I see none in 2006.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

The detail data for 2005 isn't so easy to retrieve. I seem to remember at least one 6, but you'd have to dig through the offline archives to find out for sure.

You're right, none for 2006. (One voter decided not to give Soler a 6 for his shutout so he ended up with a 5.99.)

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: I sense declining interest in the Schaefer POTG award. (Maybe we have lower attendence during the summer months.)

I think voting will pick up down the stretch.

[MFS62]

My half point for Delgado is my attempt to encourage him during his struggles. I hope his double is an indication that the light has suddenly come on.

Later

[Elster88]

This may be helpful to those who missed the 7/20 game:

Bradford came into the 7th of a tie game with the bases loaded and one out. The game was still tied when the 7th ended. The game went to extra innings.

[Elster88]

I had given Nady 0.25...but his hit really should've been caught in the tenth.

[nymr83]

I gave Traschel 1 point in the 7/19 game despite him giving up 3 over 3.1 innings. I felt that he deserved a point for his pre-rain performance and that a manager has no business bringing a guy back after a 2 and 1/2 hour delay!

[Elster88]

Agreed

[Willets Point]

More love for Bradford would be nice. Take some of Glavine's points if you have to.

[nymr83]

i gave Bradford 1.5 and Glavine 2 which i think is fair.

6+ with 2 runs is generally worth a 3 from me (though context varies.)
Glavine was a bloop away from no points at all, and he didnt get himself out of it. Additionally i'd have been less critical of him if he had simply given up bloop hits to load the bases. But he didn't, he gave up a double and then walked 2 guys. The out he did recorded was a sac.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

When you're doling out the Schaefer for tonight's game, keep in mind that John Maine wasn't even supposed to pitch tonight - he substituted for El Puke, who apparently would have collapsed due to the rain delay.

Give that boy his beer!

[Gwreck]

If a complete game shutout doesn't get a "6" (and it hasn't, from a few voters), then what does?

Or perhaps is it thought that a "6" is unachievable?

I realize Delgado and Valentin might warrant some love, but when the other team scores 0 runs, the pitching clearly was most important in the winning of the game.

[Willets Point]

I don't award points that way. Everything is in context of the game in question not based on preset designations (ex "complete game shutout must equal 6"). I award points to all players who create runs (batters) or prevent opponent runs (pitchers). Whichever player has the most points is player of that game. So the 4 points for Maine is not a dis since he in fact has far more points than anyone else. As I've said before, sometimes there's just not enough Schaefer for those games when you just want to spray all over the clubhouse.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

BTW, for those of you who didn't see the game last night, Cliff Floyd should earn some Schaefer for his catch that brought a home run ball back into the park.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

I gave some brew to El Duque yesterday, but not a lot. Yes, he did settle down and ultimately went seven innings, six of which were excellent. But it makes me crazy that almost every time he pitches he gives up three or four runs in the first inning - it seems like the Mets are digging out of a hole every time he pitches.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

In a close game I would have given Cliff points for that catch, but it was only the difference between winning 7-0 and winning 7-1.


Voting for Thursday's game against the Reds will close on Monday afternoon.

Voting for all games against Houston will close on Wednesday morning. I'll sticky them on Tuesday.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Yancy - IIRC, at the time the Mets were up 4-0, so Cliff's catch kept it from being a 4-1 game at the time, and it kept the momentum firmly in the Mets' corner. IMO, that was worth some suds.

[Frayed Knot]

Basing game points on what a particular player has done in past games kind of defeats the whole idea of selecting the Player of the [u:0516a7db10]GAME[/u:0516a7db10]

[Elster88]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: In a close game I would have given Cliff points for that catch, but it was only the difference between winning 7-0 and winning 7-1.

Agreed.

[TransMonk]

Elster88 wrote: ="Yancy Street Gang"]In a close game I would have given Cliff points for that catch, but it was only the difference between winning 7-0 and winning 7-1. Agreed.

Sure, but more than the difference in the score, the catch did keep the shutout intact. With a rookie pitcher on the mound (and one that gave up 3 long balls his last time out), the importance of keeping that ball in the park cannot be overlooked as how it may have affected Maine's performance.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I'm glad that the shutout stood up, but I don't think the catch contributed to the outcome of the game. That's why I didn't give it any Schaefer. It's about winning, not about shutting out.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Heath Bell's performance on 7/24 is not as good as the box score makes it look. He came in with two inherited runners, and he let both of them score.

In fact, he has come in with 8 inherited runners this season, and he has allowed 7 of them to score. Ouch!