IGT 5/7 Big Sexy at DH Mets Rockies Rubber Game

[Fman99]

We were busy and the weather up here was excellent and I will admit I watched barely a whiff of any of these games this past weekend. I don't think I've missed much.

[metirish]

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We were busy and the weather up here was excellent and I will admit I watched barely a whiff of any of these games this past weekend. I don't think I've missed much.

[bmfc1]

Here's the case against Vogelbach: he doesn't have the power (despite the HR we saw yesterday) you expect and need; he only hits against RHPs; he requires a PR in the late innings; he can't play the field. In other words, he can't do less than he does. I don't hate him and he has value on a better team but this isn't a better team right now and I'm trying to get Vientos in the lineup. You have to waive somebody and with the way the SPs are going, you need the Jimmy Yacobonis' of the world. Or maybe a "cab will jump the curb".

[Edgy MD]

I think apart from the randomness of distribution of outcomes, history suggests he does have the power.



The rest of your observances suggest that he's a specialist, and that's very much true, and specialists historically have very little margin for error. There's little room for a placekicker who isn't nailing his extra points. But the game is being engineered in several ways to create more indulgences for specialists, and many of them are prospering for their teams. I'm not certain I can summon up any game lost because of the lack a broader skillset from him. It's certainly plausible that pinch-running for him meant they were left without a pinch-hitter later in a game when they otherwise could have used one, but I can't think of when.



Yacabonis' failure loomed largest yesterday certainly. I hope we can all agree there. Beyond that, I disagree that cabs jumping curbs (a reference to non-baseball injuries) are a product or a byproduct of the absence of an eighth reliever on the roster.

[ashie62]

Mets might promote Vientos and Mauricio which would not bode well for Vogelbach and Guillorme



I do advocate finding a trade partner for Canha and Pham



New rules reward speed athleticism and contact per Theo Epstein and I do buy into this thought



Baty Alvarez Vientos Mauricio. Imagine if they got good in a hurry?

[DocTee]

JD Davis has more homers than any Met not named Pete Alonso, and a higher OPS than Brandon Nimmo.



He's better than Canha and Escobar. This trade set the team back, badly, IMO.

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

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JD Davis has more homers than any Met not named Pete Alonso, and a higher OPS than Brandon Nimmo.



He's better than Canha and Escobar. This trade set the team back, badly, IMO.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

I'd agree one less bullpenner to fit a Vientos would be best but otherwise, Canha to me looks like the odd man out.



He's sitting a lot already and not hitting like he did last year.



I suspect Vientos will whiff too much up here but am very interested in Mauricio.

[Edgy MD]

I agree that he's the odd man out. Pham has really marginalized him. (I'm not sure that I'm a phan of that, but alas.) I don't think he's a good candidate to finish the season with the team, but what happens over the next week is a greater degree of guesswork.



Part of my problem with the DH* is that bench players have fewer opportunities to make themselves indispensable in a role, and largely exist to sit around waiting for somebody to get hurt or slump his way out of the lineup, which is a crappy and demoralizing reason to exist.



* One of the larger facets of my large and polyfacetic problem.

[Benjamin Grimm]

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[Frayed Knot]

Getting rid of bull-penners would be a lot easier if we had starters who could past the 3rd inning.

[Edgy MD]

I think it's important that we not distort the problem. I think the only start that fits that description this season was the emergency start by Denyi Reyes*, which was very much a failed effort, but was probably going to be aborted early under any circumstances.



And as I suggested above, it's easier to get starters deeper into games if you work with a more flexible philosophy of using the hook.



　　* On edit: In the game in which Scherzer was ejected, he came out after three scoreless innings as well, so that qualifies, too.

[Frayed Knot]

Edgy MD wrote: And as I suggested above, it's easier to get starters deeper into games if you work with a more flexible philosophy of using the hook.

It would be easier still if the starters would stop insisting on leading the planet in BBs allowed, HRs allowed, and big honking early defecits created.

[Fman99]

Agreed. I've had enough of their big honking this season

[Edgy MD]

Frayed Knot wrote: Edgy MD wrote: And as I suggested above, it's easier to get starters deeper into games if you work with a more flexible philosophy of using the hook. It would be easier still if the starters would stop insisting on leading the planet in BBs allowed, HRs allowed, and big honking early defecits created.

Sure it would, but I don't think having an eighth or ninth reliever on the roster is actually dampening these things.



I just had to answer how I would get Vientos on the roster if I had to immediately. But again, I find that openings tend to present themselves. I don't think it's copping out, but how things happen. Or the Mets may make a trade tonight that clears up a spot by tomorrow.