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This isn't an easy one. I'm going to bed so now you too can sleep on it and answer tomorrow.



Name the top ten winningest MLB pitchers from Venezuela. Bonus points if you can name any of the top five savingest pitchers from La Tierra de Gracia.



One answer per post. No answering in consecutive posts. Yada-yada-yada. Yabba-dabba-doo.


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Well, if Gwreck's up, I guess we can trade off guesses without two-in-a-rowing it. Venezuelan Carlos Carrasco is captured on a 2022 TCG R&R card, pitching on One-Hit Wonder day, a festive Mets day adopted by Steve Cohen based on my personal recommendation, which the Mets now hold once or thrice a year. On One-Hit Wonder day, a pitcher who had once pitched a complete game one-hitter for the Mets is honored. The outfield walls are decorated with 45RPM sleeves of memorable one-hit wonders and the one hit wonders play all game long. Gary Gentry was the honoree on the day Carrasco pitched. Gentry was flown in and put up at a 4-star NY hotel and was also awarded an olive green Amana refrigerator for participating.



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Venezuelan Winners


  2. Felix Hernandez: 169 (gwreck)

  4. Freddy Garcia: 156 (Marshmallowmilkshake

  6. Johan Santana: 139 (batmagadanleadoff)





  16. Carlos Carrasco: 99 (batmagadanleadoff)




Venezuelan Saviors








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I know! Reading!



Venezuelan Winners


  2. Felix Hernandez: 169 (gwreck)

  4. Freddy Garcia: 156 (Marshmallowmilkshake

  6. Johan Santana: 139 (batmagadanleadoff)





  16. Carlos Carrasco: 99 (batmagadanleadoff)




Venezuelan Saviors


  2. Francisco Rodriguez: 437 (Johnny Lunchbucket)






Johnny Lunchbucket Draft Eligible

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This is actually an interesting kind of kwiz--and I'm, like done contributing answers -- because it reminds me of something I didn't know that I didn't know.



I feel like, at least a little, I actually can detect small differences, if not really express them, between Venezuelan-born position-players and other Latin position players, but the same does not hold true for me for pitchers, so I need to know them more deeply.



At this point in the quiz, my best strategy would be to think about Latin pitchers with about as many victories or careers like Santana, then just hope they're actually from Venezuela.



Or like, get some clues


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You don't want to be making those non-guess guesses, man. It's not as exciting for you to find out you're right. It's not as exciting for me to let you know you're right.



But you're right!



Venezuelan Winners


  2. Felix Hernandez: 169 (gwreck)

  4. Freddy Garcia: 156 (Marshmallowmilkshake)

  6. Johan Santana: 139 (batmagadanleadoff)


  10. Anibel Sanchez: 112 (Marshmallowmilkshake)



  16. Carlos Carrasco: 99 (batmagadanleadoff)


  20. (TIE)



Venezuelan Saviors


  2. Francisco Rodriguez: 437 (Johnny Lunchbucket)






Kluez to kome!


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OK, I was thinking in terms of clues. We have TEN guys remaining. Firstly, all of these guys pitched in the 21st century. We've had Venezuelans in baseball since 1939, but it is in the latter day when they came to MLB in such high concentration. So, some of these guys may be easy to confuse and conflate with others, but there's a good chance you have a passing familiarity with most of them.



Beyond that I'll list them all by the team they had their most wins (or saves with) and then list them all in terms of an interesting factTM about them. The two lists will not correspond with each other in terms of order.




[TABLE][TR][/TR][TR][/TR][/TABLE]
[TH]HIGHEST-PROFILE TENURE[/TH][TH]INTERESTING FACT[/TH]
[TD]
  2. Blue Jays

  5. Cubs

  8. Cubs

  11. Expos

  14. Orioles

  17. Pirates

  20. Rangers

  23. Rockies

  26. Twins

  29. White Sox
[/TD]		[TD]
  2. Claimed to be really happy when he heard his team got Aroldis Chapman.

  5. Convicted sex offender.

  8. Did seven years for attempted murder.

  11. Frequently likened to Armando Benitez in appearance.

  14. Is a first cousin of Alcides Escobar.

  17. Is currently active, and back with the team he started his career with.

  20. Just got named to his first All-Star squad at 31.

  23. Was part of the trade that George W. Bush most regretted.

  26. Was probably the best hitting pitcher of his time — which totally used to be a thing — winning four Silver Slugger Awards.

  29. Was responsible for two of only 15 seasons in MLB history in which a pitcher gave up more homers than walks.
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Julio is indeed our Oriole, our Armando wannabe, and our #3 savior



Venezuelan Winners


  2. Felix Hernandez: 169 (gwreck)

  4. Freddy Garcia: 156 (Marshmallowmilkshake)

  6. Johan Santana: 139 (batmagadanleadoff)


  10. Anibel Sanchez: 112 (Marshmallowmilkshake)



  16. Carlos Carrasco: 99 (batmagadanleadoff)


  20. (TIE)



Venezuelan Saviors


  2. Francisco Rodriguez: 437 (Johnny Lunchbucket)


  6. Jorge Julio: 99 (Johnny Lunchbucket)




Johnny Lunchbucket Draft Eligible

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Johnny Lunchbucket wrote:

and you'd think "did seven years for attempted murder" is something I'd remember

Oh, I think I know this, but I can't guess 2 in a row, and I don't know which of 2 guys, both who share the same 1st name, is which


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[TABLE][TR][/TR][TR][/TR][/TABLE]
[TH]HIGHEST-PROFILE TENURE[/TH][TH]INTERESTING FACT[/TH]
[TD]
  2. Blue Jays

  5. Cubs

  8. Cubs

  11. Expos

  14. [CROSSOUT]Orioles[/CROSSOUT]

  17. Pirates

  20. Rangers

  23. Rockies

  26. Twins

  29. White Sox
[/TD]		[TD]
  2. Claimed to be really happy when he heard his team got Aroldis Chapman.

  5. Convicted sex offender.

  8. Did seven years for attempted murder.

  11. [CROSSOUT]Frequently likened to Armando Benitez in appearance.[/CROSSOUT]

  14. Is a first cousin of Alcides Escobar.

  17. Is currently active, and back with the team he started his career with.

  20. Just got named to his first All-Star squad at 31.

  23. Was part of the trade that George W. Bush most regretted.

  26. Was probably the best hitting pitcher of his time — which totally used to be a thing — winning four Silver Slugger Awards.

  29. Was responsible for two of only 15 seasons in MLB history in which a pitcher gave up more homers than walks.
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Johnny Lunchbucket wrote:

It's Omar.. Daal


Omar Daal is 12th in Venezuelan MLB wins, with 68. It is a fine guess but it will not avail you.



I won't dock you because I'm not really keeping score on this one.



I'll throw in another hint. The dude that got the attempted murder conviction was also the father of a big-time Mets prospect. At least, his son was pretty big-time at the time of his signing, and quickly started making top-ten lists, but he topped out in Brooklyn, back when Brooklyn meant the short-season high-A NY-Penn League.



His dad's prosecution was going on while he was trying to get his career off the ground so maybe that's part of why things didn't work out.


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Wilson Alvarez is correct! Yer man won 102 games in the majors, 67 with the White Sox. He also went to the Sox along with Scott Fletcher and Sammy Sosa for Harold Baines and Fred Manrique. Not Texas' finest hour!



Omar Oliveras won 77 games, which would place him 10th on our win list ... if he hadn't been born in Puerto Rico and raised in the U.S.



Omar Minaya is here to school you kids: Venezuela does not hold exclusive rights to the name Omar.



I don't want to lead anybody straight to the treasure here, but the guy who did seven years for attempted mur-diddly-urder, and who sired a big-shot Mets prospect that didn't pan out, also has one clue I could give you that 100% of you would get in a second.



Venezuelan Winners


  2. Felix Hernandez: 169 (gwreck)

  4. Freddy Garcia: 156 (Marshmallowmilkshake)

  6. Johan Santana: 139 (batmagadanleadoff)


  10. Anibel Sanchez: 112 (Marshmallowmilkshake)

  12. Wilson Alvarez: 102 (Frayed Knot)


  16. Carlos Carrasco: 99 (batmagadanleadoff)


  20. (TIE)



Venezuelan Saviors


  2. Francisco Rodriguez: 437 (Johnny Lunchbucket)


  6. Jorge Julio: 99 (Johnny Lunchbucket)





[TABLE][TR][/TR][TR][/TR][/TABLE]
[TH]HIGHEST-PROFILE TENURE[/TH][TH]INTERESTING FACT[/TH]
[TD]
  2. Blue Jays

  5. Cubs

  8. Cubs

  11. Expos

  14. [CROSSOUT]Orioles[/CROSSOUT]

  17. Pirates

  20. Rangers

  23. Rockies

  26. Twins

  29. [CROSSOUT]White Sox[/CROSSOUT]
[/TD]		[TD]
  2. Claimed to be really happy when he heard his team got Aroldis Chapman.

  5. Convicted sex offender.

  8. Did seven years for attempted murder. Sired a big-shot Mets prospect that didn't pan out. Has one clue that would give him away in a second.

  11. [CROSSOUT]Frequently likened to Armando Benitez in appearance.[/CROSSOUT]

  14. Is a first cousin of Alcides Escobar.

  17. Is currently active, and back with the team he started his career with.

  20. Just got named to his first All-Star squad at 31.

  23. [CROSSOUT]Was part of the trade that George W. Bush most regretted.[/CROSSOUT]

  26. Was probably the best hitting pitcher of his time — which totally used to be a thing — winning four Silver Slugger Awards.

  29. Was responsible for two of only 15 seasons in MLB history in which a pitcher gave up more homers than walks.
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Edgy MD wrote:

Wilson Alvarez is correct!


He was the first guy I thought of ... it just took me half a day to remember his nane.


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Frayed Knot wrote:

Edgy MD wrote:

Wilson Alvarez is correct!


He was the first guy I thought of ... it just took me half a day to remember his nane.


If you step back far enough, you can frequently spot to see different patterns of names coming out of Venezuela than might be coming out of other Caribbean countries. Obviously a name can come from anywhere, but such an effort can lead you in a Wilson Alvarez-y way.



Is a first cousin of Alcides Escobar


Kelvim Escobar?


There you go! Kelvim is our guy! Exactly 100% of the Kelvims in MLB history are Venezuelan!! While I abhor answers phrased as questions, I celebrate Gwreck's answer because Kelvim is not only our seventh-winningest Venezuelan pitcher, but had the saves list gone to 10, you all would have seen that Kelvim is also our seventh-savingest Venezuelan pitcher, and then Gwreck could have really raked in the fake points!



I'm really disappointed in how poorly you folks know your felons.



Venezuelan Winners


  2. Felix Hernandez: 169 (Gwreck)

  4. Freddy Garcia: 156 (Marshmallowmilkshake)

  6. Johan Santana: 139 (batmagadanleadoff)


  10. Anibel Sanchez: 112 (Marshmallowmilkshake)

  12. Wilson Alvarez: 102 (Frayed Knot)

  14. Kelvim Escobar: 101 (Gwreck)

  16. Carlos Carrasco: 99 (batmagadanleadoff)


  20. (TIE)



Venezuelan Saviors


  2. Francisco Rodriguez: 437 (Johnny Lunchbucket)


  6. Jorge Julio: 99 (Johnny Lunchbucket)





[TABLE][TR][/TR][TR][/TR][/TABLE]
[TH]HIGHEST-PROFILE TENURE[/TH][TH]INTERESTING FACT[/TH]
[TD]
  2. [CROSSOUT]Blue Jays[/CROSSOUT]

  5. Cubs

  8. Cubs

  11. Expos

  14. [CROSSOUT]Orioles[/CROSSOUT]

  17. Pirates

  20. Rangers

  23. Rockies

  26. Twins

  29. [CROSSOUT]White Sox[/CROSSOUT]
[/TD]		[TD]
  2. Claimed to be really happy when he heard his team got Aroldis Chapman.

  5. Convicted sex offender.

  8. Did seven years for attempted murder. Sired a big-shot Mets prospect that didn't pan out. Has one clue that would give him away in a second.

  11. [CROSSOUT]Frequently likened to Armando Benitez in appearance.[/CROSSOUT]

  14. [CROSSOUT]Is a first cousin of Alcides Escobar.[/CROSSOUT]

  17. Is currently active, and back with the team he started his career with.

  20. Just got named to his first All-Star squad at 31.

  23. [CROSSOUT]Was part of the trade that George W. Bush most regretted.[/CROSSOUT]

  26. Was probably the best hitting pitcher of his time — which totally used to be a thing — winning four Silver Slugger Awards.

  29. Was responsible for two of only 15 seasons in MLB history in which a pitcher gave up more homers than walks.
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