1986 Mets to get the ESPN 30 for 30 documentary treatment

[kcmets]

=MFS62 post_id=75395 time=1629854121 user_id=60]I was just venting.

[Frayed Knot]

=MFS62 post_id=75395 time=1629854121 user_id=60]
I agree. I was just venting. But, did you think my Space Lasers comment was serious?

[bmfc1]

=G-Fafif post_id=75339 time=1629833639 user_id=55]
New trailer. Mine is the head talking about players and managers coming and going.



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[kcmets]

We all know that and are excited.



Someone had to temporarily hijack things with a drama moment.

[kcmets]

And, as if on cue, here we go... https://wabcradio.com/2021/08/25/the-world-premiere-of-espns-documentary-on-the-1986-ny-mets-tonight-in-central-park/Tonight in Central Park.

[Bob Alpacadaca]

=bmfc1 post_id=75404 time=1629857307 user_id=73]
=G-Fafif post_id=75339 time=1629833639 user_id=55]
New trailer. Mine is the head talking about players and managers coming and going.



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[Edgy MD]

The parachutist himself is/was an actor/director/producer/singer/musician, so I wouldn't be surprised if he has a side hustle keeping his jump part of the story.

[stevejrogers]

Bob Alpacadaca wrote: =bmfc1 post_id=75404 time=1629857307 user_id=73] =G-Fafif post_id=75339 time=1629833639 user_id=55] New trailer. Mine is the head talking about players and managers coming and going. [media=youtube]dD5wkpJ7Kbg[/media]

This thread lost the lede stories:

There will be a two-night documentary on ESPN celebrating the '86 Mets.

G-Fafif is in this documentary.



You can decide which is more exciting.

[G-Fafif]

Tasty appetizer to Once Upon a Time in Queens Tuesday night at 7 PM ET. (This doc is on ESPN 2; OUATIQ is on ESPN.)

ESPN's E60 on Former Iran Hostage Barry Rosen and Baseball's Gift That Continues to Give Going to New York Mets Games After Release Helped Rebuild Family Bond Forty years ago, Barry Rosen was one of 52 people from the U.S. Embassy in Iran who were released after being held captive for 444 days. The release came minutes after Ronald Reagan was sworn in as President on January 20, 1981. On Tuesday night, Sept. 14, ESPN's E60 will tell the story of Rosen, who came home to a country that called him a hero, but to a family that no longer knew him. It was only after Major League Baseball gave the hostages the gift of a lifetime pass that Rosen was able to reconnect with his children at New York Mets games. Against the backdrop of Shea Stadium, and the rise of the Mets of Gooden, Strawberry, Hernandez and Carter, the family rebuilt its relationship, and it is still going strong today. “Ticket Home,” a new E60 reported by Jeremy Schaap, debuts Tuesday at 7 p.m. ET on ESPN2 and ESPN+. The program will lead into that night's airing of the new ESPN 30 for 30 film “Once Upon a Time in Queens” about the 1986 New York Mets. Former Met's player Mookie Wilson is among the people interviewed in the documentary. Others include Bud Selig, who was owner of the Milwaukee Brewers at the time and recommended to MLB Commissioner Bowie Kuhn that the hostages receive an award; former ABC News correspondent Sam Donaldson, who covered the Iran hostage crisis; and sportscasters Al Michaels and Bob Costas. “The center of the piece is the idea of family and how important family is, and for Barry I feel like that's what got him through the Iran crisis,” said Simon Baumgart, producer of the documentary for E60. “The thought of not coming home to his two very young children and his wife was something he grappled with throughout his experience, and the gift that baseball gave him really did bring that family together. “And there is the sense of history. I don't think a lot of younger people know about the Iran hostage crisis and how it impacts the world today and the sacrifices those hostages made. I think baseball realized that and rewarded them and the Rosens benefited greatly from that gift.”

https://twitter.com/e60/status/1435969177949380609

BTW, based on Citi Field screening of first half last week, Once Upon a Time in Queens will win its division going away.

Edited September 10, 2021 by Guest

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Yeah it was good, and more Prince than Paisley Park.



I'da liked to hear a little more from Orosco and Danny Heep than we got, which wasn't anything

[G-Fafif]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Yeah it was good, and more Prince than Paisley Park.

Forgot to wear my raspberry beret.

[G-Fafif]

This series serves an antidote to the series just completed.

[A Boy Named Seo]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Wait... There's a plague? Actually, there https://www.denverpost.com/2020/07/16/colorado-plague-human-case/is! What more '86 stuff do we NEED to hear, really? Like Ceetar said, the more you hear about these guys, the worse it gets... and not in any more edifying, interesting ways. Was Sisk running a dogfight?

I polished off eps 3 and 4 last night, and maybe there wasn't a lot of new info necessarily (what new info could there really be?), but the perspective of some of the guys now was pretty cool (kinda like Untold: Malice in the Palace, where hearing from Jermaine O'Neil and Stephen Jackson really landed well). Darryl seemed pretty introspective, and he and Doc seemed to understand a lot of the reasons they did the things they did. Better or worse, you can tell they've both sat through a lot of therapy. If anything, Dykstra was the guy you wanted more soundbites out of just because he says outrageous Dykstra shit, and did Mitchell become kind of endearing? Also, the soundtrack to this thing was a banger and I want it on blue and orange colored vinyl. As the current Mets shat the place up this week, I loved hiding in this thing instead.

[Edgy MD]

I've just started, and they got me hook, line, and sinker when they played "Clap Hands" over the opening credits.



Hardly the tone of victory, but I was playing the hell out of that record as the Mets juggernaut tore through the summer.

[bmfc1]

The shot of Mookie leaving the field after you know had never been seen before and was incredible.

[kcmets]

My DVR'n didn't work out so well. If anyone sees a re-broadcast of these I'd

appreciate it if they could share times and dates.

[Frayed Knot]

How 'bout ... like now!!!! (or almost now)



ESPN 2, running all four consecutively starting at 11P.

If you miss that it'll be on Saturday morning then again on Wednesday.

[kcmets]

Perfect. Done. Thank you!

[Edgy MD]

Just finished Chapter One.



Does Tim McCarver ever appear in this? Does Vin Scully?

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Watched ep 3 tonight. That was the best of em so far, and the soundtrack gets even better. I mean, really well done

[nymr83]

=kcmets post_id=75366 time=1629847544 user_id=53]
Sending me angry PM's doesn't help matters. If you find me joking about

a goy neighbor setting a DVR offensive you have issues that have nothing

to do with me. Did you PM Frayed too, or just single me out?



Get a grip.

[Edgy MD]

At one point in the opening eppysode, a shot was included of a early Darryl Strawberry home run at Three Rivers Stadium (I think — it might have been an early Keith Hernandez double).



As the Pirates center fielder turned hoping to play the ball off of the fence, Edgewife asks, “Wow, could his pants be any tighter?”



Of course it was Lee Mazzilli.

[batmagadanleadoff]

I could relate to one of the narrators questioning Frank Cashen's honesty about the Mets supposedly screwing up by leaving Tom Seaver unprotected after the '83 season - exposed to then being claimed by the White Sox. The implication was that the Mets didnt screw up but made an intentional decision to expose Seaver because the team believed it had more useful players to protect than a past his prime Seaver. The suggestion was that Cashen was engaging in calculated PR to assuage the portion of the fan base that the Mets expected to be disappointed by the loss of Seaver.



I could relate to this because that's exactly what I believed was happening when Cashen issued his mea culpa on behalf of the Mets. And I wasn't bothered in the least by the Mets losing Seaver. I figured he'd get worse every season and was there mostly for sentimental reasons and as a fan attraction.

[G-Fafif]

Edgy MD wrote: Does Tim McCarver ever appear in this?

McCarver was scheduled. The pandemic derailed his interview, among others.

[Edgy MD]

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=78142 time=1631981628 user_id=68]
I could relate to one of the narrators questioning Frank Cashen's honesty about the Mets supposedly screwing up by leaving Tom Seaver unprotected after the '83 season - exposed to then being claimed by the White Sox. The implication was that the Mets didnt screw up but made an intentional decision to expose Seaver because the team believed it had more useful players to protect than a past his prime Seaver. The suggestion was that Cashen was engaging in calculated PR to assuage the portion of the fan base that the Mets expected to be disappointed by the loss of Seaver.



I could relate to this because that's exactly what I believed was happening when Cashen issued his mea culpa on behalf of the Mets. And I wasn't bothered in the least by the Mets losing Seaver. I figured he'd get worse every season and was there mostly for sentimental reasons and as a fan attraction.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: I could relate to one of the narrators questioning Frank Cashen's honesty about the Mets supposedly screwing up by leaving Tom Seaver unprotected after the '83 season - exposed to then being claimed by the White Sox. The implication was that the Mets didnt screw up but made an intentional decision to expose Seaver because the team believed it had more useful players to protect than a past his prime Seaver. The suggestion was that Cashen was engaging in calculated PR to assuage the portion of the fan base that the Mets expected to be disappointed by the loss of Seaver. I could relate to this because that's exactly what I believed was happening when Cashen issued his mea culpa on behalf of the Mets. And I wasn't bothered in the least by the Mets losing Seaver. I figured he'd get worse every season and was there mostly for sentimental reasons and as a fan attraction. Greg's done a review of this premise by revisiting every player the Mets ended up protecting, and it certainly seemed to make the position hard to sustain. As does trying to reimagine the 1984 and 1985 Mets record with Tom Seaver's numbers from those seasons added in.

Well, that's hindsight, even if a worthwhile exercise. For me, at the time, the issue wasnt whether the Mets got it right, or would get it right, but whether Cashen was being honest with the fanbase.



Organizations don't make those kinds of "mistakes ". Just like the Mets didn't "inadvertently" issue #24 to Kelvin Torve. The Mets either misread the room or used Torve as a Guinea pig or canary in the coal mine to gauge fan reaction. Nobody forgets that Willie Mays wore #24. That claim strains all credibility. In fact, 30 years ago, there probably wasnt an athlete in all of sports more closely associated with his uniform # than Mays and #24.

[Edgy MD]

I think they do all the time.



If you look at the list of guys left unprotected, virtually all teams included one or two veterans with contracts that were thought of as large at the time, thinking teams would stay away from budget-busters. I believe the Mets left Kingman and possibly Foster exposed also. Probably Staub too.



OE: http://www.faithandfearinflushing.com/2007/11/18/saving-ron-gardenhire-instead-of-tom-seaver/Here's the column. And yeah, Staub, Kingman, and Foster were all exposed.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: I think they do all the time. If you look at the list of guys left unprotected, virtually all teams included one or two veterans with contracts that were thought of as large at the time, thinking teams would stay away from budget-busters. I believe the Mets left Kingman and possibly Foster exposed also. Probably Staub too. OE: http://www.faithandfearinflushing.com/2007/11/18/saving-ron-gardenhire-instead-of-tom-seaver/Here's the column. And yeah, Staub, Kingman, and Foster were all exposed.

I just read that piece. The real shocker was that Foster was left unprotected, only after his second Mets season. If you asked me in January of '84, I'd've rather kept Foster over Seaver if I had to choose between those two. Of course, the White Sox had that same choice and they didn't choose Foster. Not then, anyways. Maybe the ChiSox needed pitching more than hitting or outfielding.



Also, another way to look at the Mets approach to that draft is to separate the roster into pitchers and catchers. And also, maybe, Gooden stays in Tidewater in '84 if Seaver's still a Met.

[Edgy MD]

Greg addressed that thesis too.



If he stayed there, I imagine it wouldn't have been long. Davey Johson says in the documentary that he had wanted Gooden on his team since the 1983 playoff appearance with Tidewater.

[Frayed Knot]

So Lemny comes across as a deep and thoughtful thinking man's player, eh?