ReSHaM-ing the Roster

[G-Fafif]

Nido to 7-day concussion IL. Rivera en route.



UPDATE: Rivera on taxi squad in case Nido has to go on IL, which you'd think would be the move to make when a catcher gets hit in the head.



UPDATIER: Nido indeed to 7-day IL; welcome back René.



But this appears f'reals: McNeil returns, Altherr DFA'd.

[G-Fafif]

Flexen down, Mazza up.

[Vic Sage]

With McNeil back and Frazier sucking on both sides of the ball for over a month, it's time to make the move. I'd rather have Panik in the lineup than Frazier, at this point.



Rosario - ss

McNeil* - 3b

Alonzo - 1b

Conforto* - rf

Ramos - C

Davis - Lf

Panik* - 2b

Lagares - Cf



Nimmo* can platoon with Lagares when he comes up. The bench would then be:



Rivera - C

Frazier - CI

Guillorme* - MI (replaced by Lowrie#, if he should ever come back).

Lagares/Nimmo* - Of



Or, Lowrie can replace Panik, if/when he stops hitting.

Or, if we want to play Lagares and Nimmo together (our best defensive alignment), McNeil goes to 2b and Davis to 3b, with Lowrie and Panik coming off the bench.



but, in any event, I was done with Frazier before the season started and, despite an excellent June, he's returned to the pumpkin he's been for years. Enough already.

[Lefty Specialist]

Yeah, time for Frazier to sit his ass down. Davis at 3b worries me; I'd rather see McNeil there. But JD and Squirrel must play every day, regardless of what that means for anyone else.



Not so sure Nimmo's completely ready; he's sucked the whole year and bulging disks are tricky.

[Ceetar]

There is no situation in the world I'd rather Panik than Frazier.

[Vic Sage]

=Ceetar post_id=19975 time=1566842591 user_id=102]
There is no situation in the world I'd rather Panik than Frazier.

[Gwreck]

I've had quite enough of Todd Frazier's bat, but he is definitely the best defensive option we have at third, right?



Out of our “better on defense than offense” options, we have Frazier, Panik, and Lagares. Is there a reason a rotation/matchup system isn't optimal there?

[Edgy MD]

One can platoon Panik and Fray-Fray with McNeil bouncing between second and third.



If players are really coming back, and coming back ready to play, over the next few weeks, that could be the team's last best hope. It'll at the very least allow the manager to sit some of the more gassed players.



McNeil, Nimmo, Lowrie, Nido, Canó, and Smith — if they return, they'd all likely have at least something to offer: ("Nimmo still doesn't look like his 2018 self, Gar, but I still think a lot of credit needs to go to him for not being Aaron Altherr.")

[Ceetar]

Vic Sage wrote: =Ceetar post_id=19975 time=1566842591 user_id=102] There is no situation in the world I'd rather Panik than Frazier.

Frazier has batted .188/.243/.344 with seven home runs over his last 206 plate appearances. That's not a small sample size. And its not inconsistent with the crappy play he provided last year. His D has become a bit erratic, as well. Time to move on.

[nymr83]

Edgy MD wrote: One can platoon Panik and Fray-Fray with McNeil bouncing between second and third. If players are really coming back, and coming back ready to play, over the next few weeks, that could be the team's last best hope. It'll at the very least allow the manager to sit some of the more gassed players. McNeil, Nimmo, Lowrie, Nido, Canó, and Smith — if they return, they'd all likely have at least something to offer: ("Nimmo still doesn't look like his 2018 self, Gar, but I still think a lot of credit needs to go to him for not being Aaron Altherr.")

its going to be interesting to see how things all mesh together if everyone is healthy in September with an expanded roster. what ARE the ideal lineups at this point?



Vs Right: 1B Alonso, 2B McNeil, SS Rosario, 3B Lowrie, RF Conforto, CF Nimmo, LF Smith

Vs Left: 1B Alonso, 2B McNeil, SS Rosario, 3B Frazier, RF Conforto, CF Nimmo, LF Davis



this is probably where I go - but are we really going to keep Cano on the bench where he belongs?

[Vic Sage]

Vic Sage wrote: There is no situation in the world I'd rather Panik than Frazier. Frazier has batted .188/.243/.344 with seven home runs over his last 206 plate appearances. That's not a small sample size. And its not inconsistent with the crappy play he provided last year. His D has become a bit erratic, as well. Time to move on. That's both arbitrary end points AND subjective ( the defense) Frazier has been subpar, but not super bad and any random BA luck Panik has run into lately will end, and he's a big part of why we just got swept, plus he's been one of the worst players in the league this year and has almost never been even average.

1) my evaluation of Frazier is neither arbitrary nor subjective, but your distinction between "subpar" and "super bad" certainly is.

2) The stats show Frazier is currently shit and has been most of this year (except for June). You want to go further back? Fine. He was shit last year, too (and not good the two years before that either). How big a sample size will suffice?

3) As to my subjective evaluation of his defense, he's made nearly an equal number of errors over the last month (5) to those he made for the first 4 months of the season (6), including the key one he made friday night. Errors are obviously not the only measure of d, but his increased rate of errors is something more than subjective.

4) While Frazier has been superbad, Panik is hitting .300 over the last 2 weeks, including his 1-10 against Atlanta which was certainly no more damaging than Frazier's 1-10;

5) I'm not championing Panik. I know he's not good. But he's better at this moment, and when Nimmo and Lowrie return (which appears imminent), the choice won't be frazier v panik; it'll be frazier vs Nimmo or Lowrie or Davis or Lagares, and i don't think Frazier is the better choice in any of those scenarios.

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[Ceetar]

1/2. 88% of average is a pretty good definition of subpar. as is the 1+ish fWAR he'd put up over a full season at this rate. Panik is at 0.1 for the Mets, and 87% of average, which is subpar but extremely small sample and if you take into account the full year you get all sorts of "bottom 5% of the league!" flags.



3. Errors are actually extremely subjective, as they're often the subjective whim of the official scorer. i.e. Frazier could range 400,000 feet to try to field a ball no one else gets to but get an error if it clunks off his glove. But if he's making bonus plays at 300,000 feet no one else is getting to, that's + defense.



4. batting average. meaningless.



5. He's better than no one. Any 'good' he's done with the Mets has mostly been luck, and non-predictive going forward. That he had a few bloops last week does not mean he'll get them tonight. If him and Frazier went up there without a bat, Frazier gets on base twice as often.

[Vic Sage]

1/2. tomato, tomahto

3. i said errors were not the only measure of d; i know what range factor is, and the other flawed defensive measures. But they are not meaningless, and his increased rate is not subjective, unless your claiming a conspiracy of scoring;

4. batting average. not meaningless. not as meaningful as other stats, but not meaningless.

5. again, this is not about Frazier v Panik. Nimmo will likely be back by the end of the week. Does Frazier start over him, with Nimmo platooning with Lagares (taking ABs from our best defensive OFer and one of our hottest hitters)? Or does Nimmo play LF, with Davis moving to 3b, McNeil to 2b and Frazier to bench?



i would only start frazier against LHPs, when we have a groundball pitcher going (i.e., Stroman)

Edited August 27, 2019 by Guest

[Ceetar]

That's a different question, my point was there was no situation I'd rather Panik than Frazier.



Nimmo was one of the best players in baseball last year. If he's up to speed, you play him anywhere and everywhere.

[Vic Sage]

its not a different question; i raised this point above.

[bLOCKQUOTE]5) I'm not championing Panik. I know he's not good. But he's better at this moment, and

when Nimmo and Lowrie return (which appears imminent), the choice won't be frazier v panik; it'll be frazier vs Nimmo or Lowrie or Davis or Lagares, and i don't think Frazier is the better choice in any of those scenarios.

[/bLOCKQUOTE]

but i'm glad you agree.

[Edgy MD]

=Ceetar post_id=20020 time=1566915432 user_id=102]But if he's making bonus plays at 300,000 feet no one else is getting to, that's + defense.

[Vic Sage]

We could toss him off an orbiting satellite and see if he can catch one of Alonzo's pop ups before he hits the ground.

[Lefty Specialist]

Frazier sucks. Bench him. I didn't use any advanced statistical analysis to come to this conclusion, just my eyes.

[Vic Sage]

who are you going to believe: Ceetar or your lying eyes?

[Ceetar]

Your eyes lie. all the science and data supports this. This is true outside of baseball, hell, your own personal memories are mutable.



So yeah, the 88 wRC+ speaks much clearer than "your eyes"

[bmfc1]

What position players will be added on Monday? Nimmo, Lowrie, Nido will all return from injuries but the Mets don't have any position players on the 40-man who aren't either hurt or already on the team. Kilome could be moved to the 60-day IL but I don't see a lot of new faces arriving soon (and the pitchers they add will be old faces as we've seen them come and go this season).

http://m.mlb.com/nym/roster/40-man/http://m.mlb.com/nym/roster/40-man/

[Edgy MD]

Kilome likely won't go onto the 60. They've avoided that all year, because it counts as service time. Gsellman is a possibility for a 60-day assignment.



Guys eligible to be DFA'd include (Rajai) Davis, Panik, Bashlor (who'd likely get claimed on waivers), Lockett, and Hart.

[Fman99]

Lots of too little too late, it's looking like.

[bmfc1]

Edgy MD wrote: Kilome likely won't go onto the 60. They've avoided that all year, because it counts as service time. Gsellman is a possibility for a 60-day assignment. Guys eligible to be DFA'd include (Rajai) Davis, Panik, Bashlor (who'd likely get claimed on waivers), Lockett, and Hart.

Thanks. The Kilome machination is frustrating. Lockett, Bashlor and Hart will probably get called up on Monday (unless they are there right now, it's hard to keep track). I'm sure that BVW is all over this and trying to do something clever.

[Vic Sage]

i'm not sure i understand what BVW has to be clever about:



* Nimmo can replace Rajai (who can be DFAed) both on active and 40-man rosters;

* Nido can replace Rivera or go to AAA (they're both on 40-man); and

* Lowrie can replace Panik (who can be DFAed) or Guillorme (sending Guillorme to AAA and moving Gsellman to 60-day DL to open up spot on 40-man for Lowrie)



is there some complication i'm missing?

[bmfc1]

You can have 40 players as of 9/1 (for the last time) so I think that the objective would be to add position players and not merely swap them by DFA'ing anybody. I can see how BVW would do this if it was a month ago, as you set forth, but the rules change on Monday and you can add some bodies which is why he has to be clever given the lack of space of the 40-man.

[G-Fafif]

One more before September: Mazza and his socks go down, Lockett comes up.

[G-Fafif]

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If you feel like Nimmo tonight, like Nimmo tonight, then you're in luck. Word on the tweet is Brandon's getting his ass activated, though a good Christian boy of his ilk likely wouldn't go any farther than butt.

[G-Fafif]

Lowrie (!) up. Gagnon up. Smith (Dominic, that is) to the 60-day DL.

[G-Fafif]

Everybody can relax. Chris Mazza's been recalled.