IGT 06/23 - Metsies at Cubbies - Sunday Matinee

[Frayed Knot]

The other (though less serious) piece of strategy here was double-switching McNeil for Frazier when he brought in Gsellman.

Now, yeah, you'll likely employ McNeil in the 9th anyway,

- but don't you want Frazier's defense while there are tow more outs in the 8th still to get?

- if the Mets get a big inning Frazier's spot could conceivably come up (he made the final out of the 8th)

- you aren't using Gsellman for a second inning anyway. Either you catch up and use Diaz for the 9th or you don't and there is no bottom 9



So all you end up doing is telegraphing exactly when you're going to PH McNeil. It'll probably be where he PHs anyway, but there's no need to pre-decide that.

Terry used to do that a lot in his early days, but even he weaned himself off that after a while.

[bmfc1]

As FK said, Mickey double-switched and put his best hitter in the 5th spot for the 9th. Put him in for Gomez.

[Edgy MD]

On paper, there's no shame in splitting with the Cubs on the road.



In reality, ugh.

[bmfc1]

What a great win this would have been. Dammit.

[kcmets]

The Sunday-rest-'em lineup with Jacob-on-the-mound thing is gonna stick in my

craw all night in this important and possibly pivotal game for the season.

[Lefty Specialist]

This one's on Mickey. Pure and simple.

[bmfc1]

Lefty Specialist wrote: This one's on Mickey. Pure and simple.

He doesn't think so:

[bmfc1]

[G-Fafif]

Tim Healey just became my favorite bear reporter.

[Edgy MD]

It was cool when Bonilla was menacing the reporters. Going with Vargas there just seems so Bush League.

[Edgy MD]

Tim Healey just became my favorite bear reporter.

I don't know if this was meant to read "beat reporter," but it works either way. Good work.



While walking the dogs, it struck me that this may provide a perfectly reasonable pretext for management to let go of Callaway. "We respect Mickey and what he can bring to the game, but we can't have members of our staff mistreating members of the media like that. Those guys have a difficult enough job to do as it is. Our staff represents our organization to members of the press, and this reflects on everybody. The Cubs are the enemy, not the press pool. We've been down this road before, and if we don't set a standard throughout the organization, top to bottom, we're the ones responsible when something unacceptable happens."



"We wish Mickey the best, but this is the choice we felt we had to make to be the organization we intend to be, and frankly, we felt lucky that we were able to get a great baseball mind like Tony Muser on such short notice."

[Guest 41Forever]

This might be the beginning of the end for Mickey. You can't lose your temper with the media, and you can't have your players threatening reporters.

[Edgy MD]

"Also, we're pleased as tits to announce that we've traded Jason Vargas for Matt Harvey."

[Lefty Specialist]

Lugo can go 50 pitches? Fine, but he needs to be sharp if he's going that long. He was obviously not sharp in the 7th, and when he gave up a hit starting the 8th after a long, long at-bat which featured foul after foul after foul, that was a signal that he wasn't on point. It happens; sometimes it's just not your day.



But no. Mickey left him in, and what happened was almost inevitable. I've seen this movie too many times this year.



Losing his temper in the clubhouse was just a capper.

[G-Fafif]

Bear reporters are also welcome on Pride Weekend.

[bmfc1]

All he had to say was "Lugo is our best reliever [which he said] and I believed that he would get by Baez. He was ahead 0 and 2 so just one more pitch and then I would have brought in Diaz. You can blame me for being one pitch too late but I believe in these guys so I don't think that I was."



Double-switching in McNeil so that he was the 5th scheduled batter in 9th is egregious and shows that he hasn't learned on the job. As FK said, there was no reason to double-switch. Mickey should just have had him PH for Gomez.

Edited June 23, 2019 by Guest

[whippoorwill]

Edgy MD wrote: Not that it should matter, but neither should it go unacknowledged: deGrom burned by his bullpen (and his manager's bullpen deployment) again.

I'd like to burn this bullpen

[bmfc1]

What I wrote in Mickey's imaginary message would have been impossible because Diaz never warmed up!!! Incredible.

[batmagadanleadoff]

All that's left to see, now, is whether Vargas loads up a squirt gun with bleach, tomorrow.

[kcmets]

I heard on radio before the Mets apologized for the lashing out at the press and

whatnot. Mickey's clock has to be ticking. Loudly.

[bmfc1]

[Edgy MD]

"The Mets sincerely regret the incident that took place ..."

A variation on the implied absolution of the passive voice in apologies.

[metirish]

An amazing day really, reminds me of Omar , Tony and Adam

[nymr83]

Edgy MD wrote: Tim Healey just became my favorite bear reporter. I don't know if this was meant to read "beat reporter," but it works either way. Good work. While walking the dogs, it struck me that this may provide a perfectly reasonable pretext for management to let go of Callaway. "We respect Mickey and what he can bring to the game, but we can't have members of our staff mistreating members of the media like that. Those guys have a difficult enough job to do as it is. Our staff represents our organization to members of the press, and this reflects on everybody. The Cubs are the enemy, not the press pool. We've been down this road before, and if we don't set a standard throughout the organization, top to bottom, we're the ones responsible when something unacceptable happens." "We wish Mickey the best, but this is the choice we felt we had to make to be the organization we intend to be, and frankly, we felt lucky that we were able to get a great baseball mind like Tony Muser on such short notice."

pinning his firing this would set a dangerous precedent. When Edgardo Alfonzo has the 2025 Mets sitting at 51-30 in first place at the halfway mark and insults a reporter is he toast?



and frankly, Mickey shouldn't get fired. a few curse words deserve an apology not someone's job. Vargas threatening a fight is a much bigger issue imo.

[Guest 41Forever]

I've been yelled at as a reporter. It's part of the job to have people vent at you, and you stand there and calmly take it and move on.



The larger issue to me is setting the conditions to allow Vargas to do that. I don't think Vargas was pissed at the reporter. It was probably pent up anger at the crap happening again and again. I suspect he wasn't defending Mickey, but was livid because of Mickey.

[Edgy MD]

Edgy MD wrote: Tim Healey just became my favorite bear reporter. I don't know if this was meant to read "beat reporter," but it works either way. Good work. While walking the dogs, it struck me that this may provide a perfectly reasonable pretext for management to let go of Callaway. "We respect Mickey and what he can bring to the game, but we can't have members of our staff mistreating members of the media like that. Those guys have a difficult enough job to do as it is. Our staff represents our organization to members of the press, and this reflects on everybody. The Cubs are the enemy, not the press pool. We've been down this road before, and if we don't set a standard throughout the organization, top to bottom, we're the ones responsible when something unacceptable happens." "We wish Mickey the best, but this is the choice we felt we had to make to be the organization we intend to be, and frankly, we felt lucky that we were able to get a great baseball mind like Tony Muser on such short notice." pinning his firing this would set a dangerous precedent. When Edgardo Alfonzo has the 2025 Mets sitting at 51-30 in first place at the halfway mark and insults a reporter is he toast? and frankly, Mickey shouldn't get fired. a few curse words deserve an apology not someone's job. Vargas threatening a fight is a much bigger issue imo.

Well, it was more than a few curse words.



Beyond that, in the end, of course, it wouldn't be this incident alone, so much as the bedshit it is all part of. But that's too much to put in a statement, so make it about policy and everyone moves on.



Fucking up in public and looking to blame it on the nearest someone else is a natural human instinct. Adults take a few deep breaths and accept ownership of their own choices and the consequences.



I tend to hate when public sentiment is gunning for a manager. It's almost always unfair. I applaud the out-of-the-box thinking that led to Mickey's hiring, but I've found so much of what he's done as counterproductive. And even when he gets a choice right , he often lets weeks go by as he cycles through bad choices first.



It's sort of like one of them damn curly-haired basketball coaches who arrive at a new organization with a system. Through one failure after another, he'll insist that "the system" is sound, but he doesn't have the right players for it, and the ones who are right refuse to get with the program. Years are lost an careers fade as all the possible juice that can be squeezed from that argument drip out.



He's young, he's in shape, he's energetic, but he's as aggressively stubborn as the worst old coot of a manager.

[Fman99]

Yuck, as usual, Mets making headlines for all the wrong reasons. Instead of the story being Piss Missile Pete's demolishing of Straw's team record, this turns into who's calling who a motherfucker. I'm all done with Mickey. He went out to the mound. He was so close to giving him the hook. And didn't. And it blew up in his dumb overwhelmed face.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

My first thought is, this is how one acts when it's cool with them to hang out with the Trump clan during spring training.



But I mean what else do you need

[Edgy MD]

That was pretty much my wife's first thought also.

[Lefty Specialist]

I think my wife's hatred of Mickey stems from that day.....she despises him and was yelling at the screen the entire 8th inning.