Blasphemers of Jake

[Edgy MD]

G-Fafif wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Booooooo, John Maffei of the San Diego Union-Tribune! BOOOOOOO!!! There's one in every crowd. But just one.

I kid. I have a heart for the dissident.

[MFS62]

Edgy MD wrote: Booooooo, John Maffei of the San Diego Union-Tribune! BOOOOOOO!!!

I've known for years that Californians didn't deserve to get major league baseball because they didn't know anything about it.

Later

[bmfc1]

[Frayed Knot]

9th round draft pick out of a small college where he wasn't even a full-time pitcher; TJS almost immediately after being drafted; finally makes ML debut just weeks shy of turning 26.
And now completely hits his stride at age 30

We need to remember stories like these sometimes when we're ready to give up on a prospect because he's already 22 years old and not yet a star in the big leagues.

[Edgy MD]

The thing is that from the minute he came up, his only real detour has been that ulner nerve thing at the end of 2016. But then he came back seemingly 100% even after folks questioned his velocity the next spring. Apart from that, there was a 2 1/2-start hiccup in mid-2017 during a western swing when he couldn't get anybody out.

But mostly, he's invariably brought his A-game every fifth day for something close to five seasons. He's got a better WHIP as a Met than Tom Seaver. Than anybody!!

With even fair-to-average luck, he'd already be among the team's top ten winningest pitchers.

[Methead]

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/11/14/18093456/jacob-degrom-cy-young-award-nl-mets

I hereby demand the "badass start" be made an official stat.

[seawolf17]

MFS62 wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Booooooo, John Maffei of the San Diego Union-Tribune! BOOOOOOO!!! I've known for years that Californians didn't deserve to get major league baseball because they didn't know anything about it. Later

Seriously. Dude was probably like "OOH that's the guy with the different-colored eyes. I'll vote for him."

[Guest 41Forever]

seawolf17 wrote: MFS62 wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Booooooo, John Maffei of the San Diego Union-Tribune! BOOOOOOO!!! I've known for years that Californians didn't deserve to get major league baseball because they didn't know anything about it. Later Seriously. Dude was probably like "OOH that's the guy with the different-colored eyes. I'll vote for him."

Love The News calling the guy out on the cover!

[seawolf17]

41Forever wrote: Love The News calling the guy out on the cover!

Reminds me of one of my favorite tweets:

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[batmagadanleadoff]

https://nypost.com/2018/11/15/writer-who-didnt-vote-for-degrom-hangs-up-on-wfan-host/amp/

Lone Scherzer first place voter hangs up on Steve Somers during radio interview.

[MFS62]

Did anyone see the guy from MLB (Jack O'Connell, who is, I think, the Treasurer) making the announcement?

And I quote: "Jacob deGrom receiving more support from the baseball writers than his teammates."

SHEESH!!! What a douchebag. He probably bet on someone else.

Later

[Benjamin Grimm]

It's actually a pretty good line.

[ashie62]

I am so not watching the San Diego Credit Union Holiday bowl this year

[MFS62]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: It's actually a pretty good line.

Yeah, it was.
But a snide slap at the team still wasn't really appropriate when you're announcing an individual award.
Its like announcing an Oscar and saying, "And the winner is _______, who won the award in a really shitty movie".

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Edited November 15, 2018 by Guest

[Ceetar]

only the Newsday cover there is worthy of anything, the other two make sure to sneak in a bit of LOLMets.

[MFS62]

Ceetar wrote: only the Newsday cover there is worthy of anything, the other two make sure to sneak in a bit of LOLMets.

I don't think the News was. It was more a shot at that one voter.
But I wouldn't have expected anything better from the Post.

Later

[Ceetar]

MFS62 wrote: Ceetar wrote: only the Newsday cover there is worthy of anything, the other two make sure to sneak in a bit of LOLMets. I don't think the News was. It was more a shot at that one voter. But I wouldn't have expected anything better from the Post. Later

The everyone hits for Jake thing is a knock at the offense. Something that's irrelevant to his award.

Also it barely makes sense so it's not even like it's a good pun. It's just big stupid words all over the place. It's bigger than the picture.

And the other one 'of the times' and 'despite' are qualifiers. Fuck qualifiers, deGrom was amazing, full stop.

[bmfc1]

Booooooo, John Maffei of the San Diego Union-Tribune! BOOOOOOO!!!

https://deadspin.com/huffy-dopey-cy-young-voter-hangs-up-on-incredibly-chil-1830463044

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: only the Newsday cover there is worthy of anything, the other two make sure to sneak in a bit of LOLMets. I don't think the News was. It was more a shot at that one voter. But I wouldn't have expected anything better from the Post. Later The everyone hits for Jake thing is a knock at the offense. Something that's irrelevant to his award. Also it barely makes sense so it's not even like it's a good pun. It's just big stupid words all over the place. It's bigger than the picture. And the other one 'of the times' and 'despite' are qualifiers. Fuck qualifiers, deGrom was amazing, full stop.

I'm kind of shocked that nobody went the "A WIN FOR JAKE... FINALLY" route.

In all fairness to the stupid, stupid tabloids... It is pretty newsworthy how poorly the Mets played-- relief, defense, and bats-- behind Dutch this season. Jake was historically, peak-Pedro good... and his team was much poorer in his games, in virtually every measure, than they were elsewise. They were a .438 team behind him... and .485 when not.

[seawolf17]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: They were a .438 team behind him... and .485 when not.

Right? Hell, ten wins almost led the damn staff.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Readers determined to be mad whenever a writer or publication is interpreted as not confirming their POV is the "real problem" with the media.

[ashie62]

The narrative the the 'Mets don't hit for deGrom" is almost obscene and is another example why sports talk radio sux

[Frayed Knot]

Wait, so we're supposed to say, and demand that others do as well, that the Mets did hit for deGrom?!?

They didn't, that's a fact. It doesn't mean they didn't hit because it was him. But it was almost comical how, every fifth day, JdG is out there pitching a gem and the other eight guys have
a collective total of one hit and one walk thru six innings. And that the pattern repeated itself Every. Freakin'. Time.

[Frayed Knot]

I hereby demand the "badass start" be made an official stat.

Yup!
I've long said that those who complain about the 'Quality Start'* merely have to adjust their criteria to fit the level they want.

Quality Start: 6 or more innings, 3 or fewer runs
Super Quality Start: 7 or more innings, 2 or fewer runs
BADASS Start: 8 or more innings, 1 or fewer runs




* overdone complaints IMO as the complainers almost always compute it as if the pitcher pitches the bare minimum while also allowing the maximum runs each and every time ... aka: But he'd have a 4.50 ERA!!!
Yeah, and a .250 hitter can have a 100 game hitting streak too, but it's not bloody likely!
Also, a QS occurs less often than not and the team that gets one wins most of those games. So while a single QS doesn't really tell you much over the long haul it's better to have more of them, just like most stats.

[Centerfield]

Frayed Knot wrote: Wait, so we're supposed to say, and demand that others do as well, that the Mets did hit for deGrom?!? They didn't, that's a fact. It doesn't mean they didn't hit because it was him. But it was almost comical how, every fifth day, JdG is out there pitching a gem and the other eight guys have a collective total of one hit and one walk thru six innings. And that the pattern repeated itself Every. Freakin'. Time.

Exactly. The story of Jacob deGrom 2018 cannot be separated from how badly the rest of the Mets were behind him. The offense, the pen. 1985 is a season the Mets can look back at with pride. 2018 is shameful.

[Frayed Knot]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: https://nypost.com/2018/11/15/writer-who-didnt-vote-for-degrom-hangs-up-on-wfan-host/amp/ Lone Scherzer first place voter hangs up on Steve Somers during radio interview.

I would have hung up on him too.
Cuz unless this guy was informed ahead of time that the line of "tough" questioning was all to set up jokes, if someone started an interview with "how can you look at yourself in the mirror”, and, ”you’re
only looking for 15 minutes of fame and attention”, all over a single awards vote, he deserves to be hung up on. Maybe Somers thinks, after, what, 30 years now on FAN?, that he and his brand of schtick
are famous from coast to coast and to all the ships at sea. But I'm guessing he's probably not.

[RealityChuck]

Frayed Knot wrote: Wait, so we're supposed to say, and demand that others do as well, that the Mets did hit for deGrom?!? They didn't, that's a fact. It doesn't mean they didn't hit because it was him. But it was almost comical how, every fifth day, JdG is out there pitching a gem and the other eight guys have a collective total of one hit and one walk thru six innings. And that the pattern repeated itself Every. Freakin'. Time.

I suspect that, once they saw they were hitting badly for him, the players started pressing and not playing their game.

[Guest Mets Willets Point]

I'm kind of surprised that Steve Somers is still alive. After reading this thread I googled him & learned he's only a few months older than my mother, but back in the 80s I thought he was much, much older.

[Centerfield]

RealityChuck wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Wait, so we're supposed to say, and demand that others do as well, that the Mets did hit for deGrom?!? They didn't, that's a fact. It doesn't mean they didn't hit because it was him. But it was almost comical how, every fifth day, JdG is out there pitching a gem and the other eight guys have a collective total of one hit and one walk thru six innings. And that the pattern repeated itself Every. Freakin'. Time. I suspect that, once they saw they were hitting badly for him, the players started pressing and not playing their game.

Does anyone have the run support numbers? I'm sure there was some difference between Jake and the other pitchers, but it's not like the team hit like the Red Sox in the other games.

23rd ranked offense isn't going to provide much run support all the way around.

[Frayed Knot]

Centerfield wrote: Does anyone have the run support numbers? I'm sure there was some difference between Jake and the other pitchers, but it's not like the team hit like the Red Sox in the other games. 23rd ranked offense isn't going to provide much run support all the way around.

Don't have them handy but, yeah, they were much worse when JdG pitched. Bad even by NYM 2018 standards and bad by historical standards.