IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

La Hollaaaaaa! Let's try and catch some balls, yes?

[Lefty Specialist]

Gotta beat up on the bad teams, and the Padres are a bad team. LGM.

[Guest d'Kong76]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Let's try and catch some balls, yes?

Ces, Flav, Rosie, Obijuan we're talking to you.

Mets RH Jacob deGrom (2-0, 2.53 ERA)
Padres LH Clayton Richard (1-2, 5.67)

[Lefty Specialist]

Considering that right now they have two functioning starters, Syndergaard and deGrom, it's really important that the Mets get ahead and win the games they pitch. Otherwise you have to rely on bullpen magic and late-inning heroics, which are nice when they happen, but are not a sustainable game plan.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Hopefully the Mets mash the Padres this weekend. Rattling off three wins would be really beneficial. And you have to make hay against the teams that carry the adjective of "lowly".

[Centerfield]

Lefty Specialist wrote: Considering that right now they have two functioning starters, Syndergaard and deGrom, it's really important that the Mets get ahead and win the games they pitch. Otherwise you have to rely on bullpen magic and late-inning heroics, which are nice when they happen, but are not a sustainable game plan.

Yup.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I really hope that Vargas gives us a boost in this department. I know it's far from a sure thing, but it's what I'm hoping for.

[Ceetar]

I have more faith in Matz or Wheeler or Gsellman figuring it out than Vargas, who isn't particularly good. Mets lineup is gonna have to pick it up a little bit if we're gonna start relying on a league average type guy like Vargas.

[Guest d'Kong76]

They're gonna need to pick it up regardless of who you don't like pitching.

[A Boy Named Seo]

Centerfield wrote: Lefty Specialist wrote: Considering that right now they have two functioning starters, Syndergaard and deGrom, it's really important that the Mets get ahead and win the games they pitch. Otherwise you have to rely on bullpen magic and late-inning heroics, which are nice when they happen, but are not a sustainable game plan. Yup.

How quickly the optimism surrounding this year's starting pitching morphed into the familiar exasperation that surrounded last year's.

[Ceetar]

d'Kong76 wrote: They're gonna need to pick it up regardless of who you don't like pitching.

I like Vargas enough, he's not just very good and has a long history that suggests he's not going to be very good. He could be okay though. and that's fine too, but at this juncture I'd still kinda rather take my chances with the guys with upside.


well if Matz and Wheeler became as good as deGrom and Syndergaard, or even next tier, maybe they don't need to pick it up quite as much?

They should though, because because Frazier and Cabrera can't carry everyone. Conforto's doing okay and Nimmo, Lagares and Flores are doing good in limited time, but the rest of those guys really need to step it up.

[Centerfield]

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Centerfield wrote: Lefty Specialist wrote: Considering that right now they have two functioning starters, Syndergaard and deGrom, it's really important that the Mets get ahead and win the games they pitch. Otherwise you have to rely on bullpen magic and late-inning heroics, which are nice when they happen, but are not a sustainable game plan. Yup. How quickly the optimism surrounding this year's starting pitching morphed into the familiar exasperation that surrounded last year's.

And the thing is, everyone is healthy. Well, at least when Vargas gets back they will be.

We really needed to get a good, reliable #3.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I'm really not looking for Vargas to be spectacular. I want him to give us seven decent innings.

[ashie62]

Vargas works at 86 mph

He better be very crafty

[Ceetar]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'm really not looking for Vargas to be spectacular. I want him to give us seven decent innings.

he's not going to. Vargas isn't getting to the third time through a lot. The Mets are hoping for a lot of 5-6 IP 2-3run games from him.

[Guest 41Forever]

Ceetar wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'm really not looking for Vargas to be spectacular. I want him to give us seven decent innings. he's not going to. Vargas isn't getting to the third time through a lot. The Mets are hoping for a lot of 5-6 IP 2-3run games from him.

Vargas’s 18 wins last year would have led our staff by three wins. And only deGrom had a better ERA. I’ll watch him pitch a little and see how he does before I decide that he sucks.

[Ceetar]

get out of here with pitcher wins.

[Edgy MD]

Just hit, Baby.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Yeah as stinky as the relief pitching has been at times, and as bad as the butt-end starters have been, we lose because we're not scoring enough. Conforto, Ces, Bruce all gotta start whacking.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Ceetar wrote: get out of here with pitcher wins.

Generally speaking, pitchers who win 18 games are a tad better than suck.
It may not be the sexiest roto-sabr-fantasy-projection stat but I think we'd
be hard pressed over the years to find a pitcher with 18 wins or more and
say he flat out sucks(ed). We, meaning the reasonable folks reading this.

[Lefty Specialist]

A Boy Named Seo wrote: How quickly the optimism surrounding this year's starting pitching morphed into the familiar exasperation that surrounded last year's.

Last year they were pitching bad because they were hurt. This year they're pitching bad because, um, they're just bad. They have no excuses (unless they're hurt and not telling anyone, which is a venerable Mets tradition).

But wasting that fantastic start by Thor is just criminal. They have dead spots in their order from 6-9, and they just can't get by with it any more.

[Centerfield]

Our catchers hitting .100 and throwing the ball away is just killing me.

[Centerfield]

My kingdom for Rene Rivera.

[Guest d'Kong76]

6-8 have been bad, they were talking about it either yesterday or day
before. It's like flushing a third of the game down the terlette.

[TransMonk]

Edgy MD wrote: Just hit, Baby.

JCL wrote: Yeah as stinky as the relief pitching has been at times, and as bad as the butt-end starters have been, we lose because we're not scoring enough. Conforto, Ces, Bruce all gotta start whacking.

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[batmagadanleadoff]

I look at the team's stats and I don't have a fucking clue as to how the Mets had the NL's best record for most of the season. It looks now like they're finally regressing to the pumpkins that most analysts predicted they'd be.

[Ceetar]

d'Kong76 wrote: Ceetar wrote: get out of here with pitcher wins. Generally speaking, pitchers who win 18 games are a tad better than suck. It may not be the sexiest roto-sabr-fantasy-projection stat but I think we'd be hard pressed over the years to find a pitcher with 18 wins or more and say he flat out sucks(ed). We, meaning the reasonable folks reading this.

okay, but we're not talking generally, we're talking specifically.

flat out sucked? maybe. is not good? not hard. Vargas is a specific example of that. The best pitchers tend to accumulate wins because they're typically on the mound more, regularly, and longer. They also get more vitamin D. It's like looking at beer sales volume and concluding that Citi Field is the most popular bar in NYC.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Yeah as stinky as the relief pitching has been at times, and as bad as the butt-end starters have been, we lose because we're not scoring enough. Conforto, Ces, Bruce all gotta start whacking.

Conforto's been sorta alright. It's Rosario I'm kinda focusing in on. Gonzalez too, but at least there seems to be some indication of bad luck there ,and he walks some.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I can't remember Conforto's last xbh.

[Edgy MD]

I tend to wonder if they kept the right rookie from last year. Maybe they should have gone with Smitty and sent Rosey back for more seasoning.

[Centerfield]

I'm ready for Peter Alonso. Guy is mashing.