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I think calling booing a professional athlete at an arena or stadium 'unjustified abuse' and 'indecent' is going a bit far. I'm also a bit skeptical that booing or cheering affects a teams won/loss record. Neither is Beltran what?

Johnny Dickshot wrote: I love when fans pretend that "Boo!" is a word with so many meanings that the player ought to know precisely which one. Soupcan says: Boo. Soupcan Means: "I'm very disappointed by what you've shown so far as a Met, Carlos. You can play better than that. Maybe you've been too banged up to perform optimally, but we've got a high level of frustration going on here, and we want you to know that we expect more out of you and we watch the games very closely, so we will notice when you perform well, and we would prefer to make loud positive noises if only you'll give us something to cheer about, so please get your game together and let's enjoy a great season." Johnny Mookfuck says: Boo Johnny Mookfuck means: I'm a cruel self-satisfied mouth-breathing shithead. If I knew which car was yours I'd slash your tires. Then I'd bang your wife. Regardless, I'm going home to beat mine. Carlos Beltran hears: Boo Q: What message does Carlos Berltran get? Who cares what message Beltran gets? He hears Boooo! Boooo means bad. Do better, I'll stop. Again - why are we acquiescing to superstar overpaid athletes overly sensitive sensibilities? Its really strange to me that people care so much about these players feelings. Barry Bonds makes millions and treats people like crap. Tiger Woods same thing. These guys think that because they make so much money that they are important and that they are allowed to be assholes. What's the fans response? Booo. If they are going to get their feelings hurt by a boo then they are in the wrong business. Maybe they should get a new job. But wait! Auto mechanics don't make $13,000,000.00 per year. Hmmmm, maybe underperforming pro athlete wasn't such a bad deal. Well they DID boo me and made feel bad. But I had a fleet of porsches and 5 mansions. Boy this is a tough decision. C'mon people let's get over ourselves. No ones killing babies here. All we're doing is expressing disappointment. Sorry but they should be able to handle it. ="Gwreck"]It has to, doesn't it? A guy can't be having a bad season before it starts. Even if there's serious problems from the past, he's still not having a bad year/a slump/a bad patch until at least a few games go by. Last season carries over.

I think they'd be remiss in not including the scoreboard skyline in the new place. Ever since they put it up its been one of my favorite things. The apple in the hat they can feel free to shitcan however.

Bret Sabermetric wrote: "I'm very disappointed by what you've shown so far as a Met, Carlos. You can play better than that. Maybe you've been too banged up to perform optimally, but we've got a high level of frustration going on here, and we want you to know that we expect more out of you and we watch the games very closely, so we will notice when you perform well, and we would prefer to make loud positive noises if only you'll give us something to cheer about, so please get your game together and let's enjoy a great season." I think this one is much better. It's either going to get me tossed or get me on TV. I'm gonna do it though.

When did they get Baez? I totally missed that. Who'd they give up?

Tough break for Goggles Pizano. How bumming are the Dodgers that they don't have Dirty Sanchez anymore?

That ain't gonna happen. The best we can hope for is 'MET-Life Stadium'

TheOldMole wrote: I grew up in the "Let us pray for Gil Hodges" days. I don't boo a guy in a slump. A lot's changed since those days Mole (Carlos?). Athlete's incomes, attitudes, etc. In Hodges' day ballplayers were playing to pay the rent and feed and clothe their families and could relate much more easily to the average fan. ]By the way, I don't mean to call you a jerk. I feel like I should mention that when you're there, it is really, really easy to get sucked into the moment. I booed Zambrano last year before realizing what I was doing. I hear you, never thought that anyway. No worries.

Bret Sabermetric wrote: "I'm very disappointed by what you've shown so far as a Met, Carlos. You can play better than that. Maybe you've been too banged up to perform optimally, but we've got a high level of frustration going on here, and we want you to know that we expect more out of you and we watch the games very closely, so we will notice when you perform well, and we would prefer to make loud positive noises if only you'll give us something to cheer about, so please get your game together and let's enjoy a great season." Instead of booing at the next game I'm going to memorize this and scream it instead.

Centerfield wrote: Exactly. Not booing doesn't necessarily mean being "coddled". That would imply that fans of all other teams "coddle" their players. All I'm saying is I don't see why we would choose to treat our players in a worse manner than fans of other teams. And I don't buy that garbage about New York being a "tough town". Acting like a jerk is acting like a jerk no matter what your zip code is. The booing of Beltran and Matsui and Benitez...these cases went beyond simply booing bad play. This sort of booing is mean-spirited and makes me want to disassociate myself with "fans" of this team. Sorry I think I'm a post behind here - you guys are coming fast and furious. Never booed Matsui or Benitez. As a matter of fact I was a big Benitez defender thinking that those who were booing him based on performance were stupid because, as you well know CF, his numbers were great. I may be acting like a jerk if I boo him but I think the guy telling me not to boo him because he'll feel bad is an idiot.

Centerfield wrote: I don't think it's in question that every fan has the right to boo anyone they want. The question is whether a fan should. I understand the urge to boo when things go badly...I boo and curse all the time when I'm watching at home. And I do this because it makes no difference what I do in my own living room. But when you're at the game, booing has an actual effect. And considering the effects, I can't understand why anyone would boo Beltran. First of all, booing is not going to make him play any better. In fact, it can get in his head and make him play worse. I have no idea why a fan would want to make it harder for a player on his own team. Secondly, it creates a negative atmosphere around the ballpark. Why would you want to create an environment where players think that the next mistake they make will be greeted with a chorus of boos? Let them relax...play loose. Third, as much as a fan can argue that a player has to suck it up because of his contract, this is simply not true. A player doesn't have to suck it up. They can go play somewhere else where they don't have to deal with it. St. Louis...Anaheim...all are great places to play...and those places don't have fans ready to jump down their throats. Someday, some free agent is going to think about how Beltran was booed and have that factor into his decision. Now, if a player is struggling because of lack of effort, I think he should be booed. Why? It sends the message that fans won't stand for that. But if a player is struggling but still playing hard...in that situation, booing accomplishes nothing. I hope that one day, a highly sought after free agent takes less money to sign somewhere else, and when asked why, says "I don't like the way those fans treated Beltran." Then God Bless those players and let them play somewhere else. This smacks of idol worship and I'm just not about that.. That's probably why I get pissed off about this issue. 'I don't want to play there because they booed Beltran' meanwhile Beltran is retired at age 40 living on the beach in Fiji and sipping Mango-tinis while the Ned Flanders' of the world are walking around still looking for their team's World Series trophy that never came because Beltran never became the player they were counting on. At this point none of you have to worry because sportsradio and the Mets themselves have successfully forced the boobirds into acquiescing to the 27 year-old multi-millionaires sensitive personality. I'm certain that he's gonna get his monthlong grace period now. When you see the one guy at Shea booing him and getting plunked with popcorn and hotdogs call your friends to the TV and say 'Hey, I knoew that guy, its soupcan!"

="Edgy DC"]The best part in the replay is the after-part. Fully extended, high off the ground, with his right arm swimming through the air to help his full extension for all it's worth, he has nothing to cushion the fall but the flexibility of his rib cage. He bounces up about 12 inches off the lawn, but hangs the Hell on. I didn't see Wright's catch live so I'm not going to vote because the emotion I felt watching Anderson would swing it Andy's way. If I had seen Wright's live though, I'm sure It would've made the missus and me get into just as bad a fight. I do agree with Edgy's statement about the aftermash (see what I did there?) of Hernandez catch.

Edgy DC wrote: It's a bully's logic to rip into someone, draw a response from him, and use the response as an excuse that he deserves to be ripped into. Opening Day I was booing more to irk Flander's. I don't care so much about what Beltran said last night as I do the attitude of athletes and fans that II have a responsibility to coddle them. If you don't like the deal, don't sign the contract. If I'm an idiot and I choose to boo, too bad for you.

Gwreck wrote: You may not like Ned Flandes, but his point is valid. Booing at this point in the season isn't just stupid -- it's positively moronic. Unless you expect him to bat .775 with 80 HR and 200 RBI, he gets at least 2 weeks before hearing boos. Period. I don't know that that's true. If you believe the slate gets wiped clean on Opening Day that's cool. I had no intention of booing him but I wasn't going to toss my pom-poms in the air for him either. Beltran's attitude coupled with the fan suckling his teet (love that word) just riled me up. Gwreck wrote: What people don't seem to realize is that booing doesn't cause players to hit. ...and it doesn't cause them to not hit either.

Edgy DC wrote: Really? Nobody is contesting anybody's rights here. I interpret this whole thing as Beltran saying ' Geez I'm making a bazillion dollars to play here but I need the fans to not boo me or I'll feel sad and get mad at them.' Gimme a break. You're a professional athlete and you're being incredibly well-compensated. There really is not a hell of a whole lot you should be complaining about. That's what irks me. I'm booing his petulence ="Elster88"]So you get angry at Ned Flanders, and booing Beltran makes you feel better? I get angry at people who try to get me to kowtow to the whims of well-compensated athletes.

I had no intention of booing this guy on Opening Day until some Ned Flanders lookalike started screaming at everyone in my section to 'cut him some slack, give him a break, make him feel welcome!' Then I just started spitting venom. The guy signed a contract paying him ungodly amounts of money to play ball whether he does well or not, and so far it's 'not'. You know what comes with that deal Carlos? The fans right to boo you if we don't think you are playing up to the contract. As Ben Parker said to young Peter 'with great power comes great responsibility' If Senor Mole needs me to make him feel all warm and fuzzy then he can cut me a check for $5,000,000.00 and then I'll STFU. I will boo him reagardless of whether he has 30 homeruns by the all-star break or not (and I hope to hell he does) because shit like this just pisses me the hell off.

Personally I'm more worried about increased ticket prices and seat availability.

Haven't we all heard quite enough out of Billy Joel at this point?

Funny Glavine. ]Wagner said Tom Glavine had the best idea. "He thinks we should all use it," he said.

="Bret Sabermetric"]Interesting. Did you notice that in the first post in this thread the ball looks like a decimal point? 3.71 A quick look at baseballreference.com reveals that Jerry Koosman's era in 1985 while with the Phillies was 3.71! Eerie.

There's two pages with architectural renderings devoted to this in the 2006 yearbook. Pick yours up today it'll make a great addition to your baseball library!

Got home late, was eating dinner.

A suck-ass game but as has been said - blown saves happen. Still and all they should've pulled that one out. A win today and they take the series though. So I'm watching the game last night in the kitchen and I'm standing in front of the TV (it's on the counter), my wife walks in as Hernandez is going back on the ball, she opens her mouth to say something just as Hernandez reaches full extension and grabs the ball - I go 'WOW!' and she nearly jumped out of her skin. She starts yelling at me for scaring her and all the while I'm trying to see if he held onto the ball, if he's okay, etc., etc. I'm saying 'Oh my god did you see that?!' and she couldn't have cared less. She's now yelling at me for scaring her and I'm yelling at her to watch the replay so she'll understand why I yelled in the first place. So the rest of last night and this morning we're not speaking to one another. Thanks Anderson.

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I hear they use sugar as toothpaste over there.