Zvon

Ashie62 wrote: The industry feels like a bunch of 50 year old men selling/buying to other 50 year old men. The high end stuff, or the hot guy Du jour i.e.deGrom move, the rest is pretty much moribund for now. I've been making the rounds baseball card blog's, the ones that deal with real cards, and from what I see from the outside they have a great online community that works fantastically with each other. Some are older, some are younger, none in it to make money. They all have their own specialty, whether its a team or a player (usually a mix of a number of different types of collections). Those people take care of each other, hook each other up with cards. They trade cards, give each other cards for nothing when they can, conduct contests and give cards away to readers. It's great what they do, and if I ever got back into it real serious I'd enjoy being part of that community.

SteveJRogers wrote: Most likely 1965/66-1987, with the explosion being since...I want to say 1994, or possibly 1991 with Topps' 40th Anniversary, is when the nostalgia boom hit the hobby in terms of the brands that focused on the current sports making tons of cards of past stars in some fashion. I thought the boom started around 85, took off and peaked 88 and 89 (w89UD), and then the whole structure of card collecting and card dealing changed, starting with the upshoot in quality and prices. I stopped buying any more than one box of cards a season (only if my bros and I go in on em) around 1994ish. Basivcally stopped collecting although Id grab packs here and there and hope for Mets. Like Kong, I was no longer having fun, and getting fixed on a card that was almost impossible to get without buying it (for a nice lil markup) from someone who hoarded 50 hunded boxes to get it, I found a frustrating and empty experience. When you look at a card you wanted after you get it and you don't feel great about it being in your hand, the thrill is gone. But lately I've been getting a lil excited about collecting again. Like in 85, I got back into it because of Gooden. Harvey could have the same effect on me. If he does as great as he thinks he is going to do, and I really hope he does, I'm gonna want to start a nice Harvey collection---mostly by getting them thru packs. OE: Topps didnt really take advantage of the boom until around 1990/91. I have to say, Topps is a wacky company for the front runners in card making.

Royals all the way. All the way until they are bumped out and then....I'll be hard pressed to do my normal "back the NL team" thing. If the Royals go down....I may stick with an AL team. This is hard to do, but I'll grind and bear it.

http://m.mlb.com/video/v8852885/mlb-network-remembers-bobby-valentine-in-disguise The Clemens bat incident was up in the Bronx. Shea was the first stadium to post distance markers beyond the outfields walls. I remember a 428' marker. Some of those markers may have been connected with Dave Kingman. Also, what about that incident when they blew up the center field wall with cannon fire? SO the BobbyV Mustache stays. DOH. Clemens bat cut. I get what you're saying. The Mets were the first to post distances beyond the outfield wall, and that might be very tue. The Yankee canon incident should make it. My brother said if I include the Stork collision I have to include the Dykstra/Mookie collision. I don't know that I agree, but they did both happen in the same area and might be able to be written up in the same bubble or box. Like just add Mook/Dyktra also collided here.. The Mook/Dykstra collision was way more kool looking, so I don't know why I put more weight on the Stork/Hahn one. What did Randle do during the blackout? Callisons walkoff and Bunnings perfecto are big Shea moments, and I have to work them in, but I don't want them getting major area(s) or space. I might include boxed facts around the outside with stuff like that. The fact that Callison was wearing a Mets helmet, to me, makes that stand out more. Bunning does not get the mound even thought the achievement was never topped. He's not a Met. Certainly have to get him in there though. Mound will go to where Jerry/Grote hugged, and where Orosco dropped and made a V (right in front of mound). Yes Zvon, I used to draw, but not well. No mention of the Jets playing at Shea? Howz about a Super Bowl III Championship banner hanging from one of the flagpoles? Or showing where the movable seats were positioned for football? Later As far as contributing cartoons, they don't have to be anything great, or even good. Like the old cards, kinda doodles. Like I did for the 2002 set- i pull a paper from my printer, sketch the cartoon loosly (it can be done at a small size-real small if you want), scan it, send it to me and I'll clean it up and add it. You can even do it on lined paper, at work, and I can work with that-remove the lines, bring out the cartoon (all you guys at work withfive minutes to doodle). This is not a great example- because it's for a card back-a cartoon made for the 2002 set. Just sketch/doodle, scan, make it look like an ink drawing in a art type program, and wala, lil cute baseball cartoon. The size of the actual Agee cartoon thing is about 1/16th of the size of this scan. So even tiny ones can be used w np. They don't have to be great and I think the more people contribute the more fun this is. I don't consider the Polo Grounds shot of the distance to be "beyond" the field of play, so I think that still stands. I've done a mock up with portraits surrounding Shea, with the Carter, Keith, Straw, Doc, and Cleon, including the big three retired # guys. But I think it looks much better with just the three biggy portraits, Casey, Gil, and Seaver, one in each corner and the alt stadium looks, including the football field set up with at least a mention of Namath and '69 in the final corner. Where ever I put the banners, or pennants, a Jets 69 one will be in there. Sheesh, I want to include the Grand Funk Coin Shea (the balloon effect) but ....I'm not going to be able to get everything in it- I don't think. Maybe...maybe we have to whittle down. I can show you tests/mock ups where I checked these things out, if you want to see how it looks with the extra portraits or during steps along the way. It took me a looooooong time to add the crowd, and it's not all in yet, so no big additions have been made. So far the Shea work looks real nice with a full crowd in it. I also thought of possibly showing the difference between the Shea facades/look like they did on the 2008ByeShea Logo. But to add this to the existing stadium already outlined, would take some major changes to the layout. So maybe I add it as a separate image. I will make the photo look like a drawing, or I will draw it if I have to. I would rather the facade looks extended from the original Shea drawing posted earlier, but I don't know if that's doable w/o some major changes to the layout. It would be added, an extension to the Shea created up there. Might be worth the extra work. I wanted this to also be a tribute to Gene Macks work and style as well, but if it evolves past that(well, not past it, because all Macks stuff is brilliant) but just into something else, I'll go with it, as long as it ends up capturing Shea's rather colorful history. I don't see how it won't be able to do that nicely, I hope.

Wow. I saw that back in the day but didn't know Shea was on the back. That's an amazin' find.

I love the wacky Seaver cards.

Crap. Nats suck. Giants move on. GO ROYALS!

Good at bat Brycee. Made him throw alot of pitches. It's up to Ramos.

Frayed Knot wrote: Can't blame Desmond for being pissed on that one Cripes these umps.

Frayed Knot wrote: Zvon wrote: You can't expect a pitcher on a play like that to be worrying about giving a lane. Well whether he intends to or not, if he prevents the runner from getting to the plate before he has the ball then I have no problem flagging him for it. Being a pitcher doesn't make him exempt. It's just that earlier in the year they were flagging guys for being there as the runner was still only half-way home. I still don't like that on a bang bang play @ home with a pitcher. It should not fall under the rule. But that's me.

And the announcer just says that non-catchers also have to leave a lane--and that makes the guy safe. Gah, this is all screwed up. But IMO they got it right this time.

You can't expect a pitcher on a play like that to be worrying about giving a lane.

If they call this obstruction at home, I'm done with baseball.

Holy Schmoly! Sloppy play u nasty Nats.

Harper does not have long to go to get my respect as a ball player. If he does stuff like this in the post, I'll tip my cap to him. That was some homer, but he ain't there yet. Maybe he'll jog to first next ground out and take two steps backwards IMB (in my book).

Woooooooow

If the next round is Posey VS. Fat Ass I'm gonna have to pass. Maybe the Nats wouldn't be so bad. Fuck it, I'm just gonna watch the Royals.

Whoa! What a catch by Pence. *snore

I think this is going to balloon into a bigger project than I thought. If I can do it "scavenger art style"(picking stuff from various sources to use) it will be relatively quick work. If small cartoons are needed, drawing them won't add too much time wise, but portraits are another matter. I do have my own existing Met drawings that can be used as a portrait source (Carter, Keith, Doc & Straw if they do get portraits). The other portraits will be by Stark or Gallo and I hope that's not a problem poster wise. Heres the list. I'm sure there are more to add (I hope there are), and many of those listed are debatable. Not sure if all will or should make it. A questionmark added means it's a "maybe". Room really won't be an issue, I can always expand the border, but I'd rather it be not any more busy than a Mack work, which are pretty damn busy. It should be busy, but not over busy (if thats possible--Ill probably find out). My brother suggested a cut-away view of under the stands- the clubhouse- showing Keith with a beer and a cig watching the end of game 6. lol. I said, hey, maybe I can do that... THE LIST SO FAR: Notable Shea event/highlight: >Seaver 10Ks in a row >Ball on the wall >Ball Thru BB's legs >Agees upper decker >Seavers almost perfect game(where Qualls hits landed? >Spot black cat came from and it's path >MetWalk2LF-73NLCS >Stork Collision >Spot where Ventura was halted from completing his lap. >Tomato patch. >The Manufacturerer's Hanover sign that flashed H and E for hit and error. >The bullpen cart. >Bill Shea's horseshoe of flowers (at/near home plate?). > Spot in IF where Rose clocked Buddy >Path and spot where Rose bottle landed > Didn't Straw hit the scoreboard? That spot. And the spot by Mo. >Planes. (can someone tell me in all the years how many planes flew over Shea? just approx. ha. But I'm not kidding- how else to work in the planes?-just the path across the sky?) >Beatles stage spot. (Mention Billy Joel here as well?) >Sign man, seated in the position of his actual box.(I imagine he'll be there, standing, with a sign. I'll draw that myself.)- I can have his sign say YOU GOTTA BELIEVE, or anything else. >Piazza home run spot. >Spot where Pratts ball went out (cartoon of D'Back @ the wall) >Gil shoe polish meeting spot w/ump >Jesse in front of mound 86 >K corner -(w/Gooden rookie K record?) > Banner Day ( Path they walked? Side bar? How to show this?) > First stadium to add wall distances-is this true? I don't believe it. Questionmarks: >GilWalk2Cleon? >JCM's WS bunt? (spot where it hit him like the 80's one) >Spot where Melvin and Roger met mid-air? >Gooden rookie K record?(possibly combine with above) > Where bat half landed w/path in Piazza/Clemens incident? >Mr.Met could be worked in pictured in the stands somewhere >Carter HR 1st game? >BobbyV mustache?-Id like to get BobbyV in there somewhere. >Cleon last '69 WS out? >LoDuca tags 2 at home? >Mrs. Paysons box? >Comeback vs Braves that time? >Santana/ Maine 2007 last outings? >I want to work in Tug but I don't feel the You Gotta Believe angle has anything to do with Shea itself. How do I fit in Tug? > There should be at least a few bad things too. Like Beltran froze on Wainwrights curve ball here-----------x (gimme more bad things) > Benny A and Dykstra post season homers? Catches (all a must): > Endy >Swoboda >Agee's 2 catches >Staub 73NLCScatch External: Almost anything can go here and many notables & portraits will be out here. > Retired numbers? >All pennants/banners >The two different facades on the inset external illustrations. (2 full stadium views) >The WOR-TV booth/SNY booth (notes about Murph, Kiner, and our current trio - if you twist my arm until just before it breaks, Lindsay Nelson) >Different bullpen wall? Other pen differences? > Yankees shared Shea mid 70's Portrait: >Casey These will also have their retired number circles next to them >Seaver >Gil Maybe-smaller portrait: >Cleon? > Davey J? >Gooden? >Strawberry? >Keith? >Carter? >Wright? >BobbyV? Concerts: Just a side bar list of all concerts held at Shea. Beatles and Billy J will get special mention The extra inning games and a few other things mentioned in the 80's one don't make the cut. Are any of those still a current record? Where did cow-bell man hang out? The thing needs more cowbell, man. Wasn't there some kind of roving band back in the day, for a short period?

Things are getting interesting and....he walks in the first run? Fooooor shame. 1-0 SF

Madoff's Mets wrote: Yes, its the Seaver error card. Thanks for the welcome! Kool avatar. I used to have that card. Still might. Nope, can't find it. The 84 Fleer traded Seaver/White Sox was a bitch to track down. I should scan a few of these. The 84 OPC is sweet. I have 4 '84 Donruss Seavers if anyone wants one.

d'Kong76 wrote: [fimg=450]http://www.trbimg.com/img-5434344b/turbine/la-puig-20141007/750/750x422[/fimg] I'm gonna be a true Yankee one day. He and Harvey, huh? *ducks

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Zvon wrote: Wowzers. I saw Straws sweet spot on the scoreboard(the dent in vid?). Pick a spot for Mo. Just under the "T" in "Born on Date" - more than halfway up the scoreboard. iUA6HV3jX4o Excellent, thank you. I vaguely remember this. He got all his weight behind that one. Wow. I think one of those voices is Keith for sure. Mets web site says the Shea was the very first stadium to ever put distances on their OF walls. I find this hard to believe.

Edgy MD wrote: Cards again. GAH! If it ends up Cards/SF I don't even think I can watch. And Cards/Nats would be worse! I guess Kershaw wants to wear that post game loser tag. Again, cruising along and BAM! I was impressed he stayed on the bench after being pulled. Everyone seems to agree that sitting Puig was a good move. I not only disagree, I am shocked people aren't all over this. Sure, he was having a shit series but in a game of this magnitude how do you put his potential on the shelf? Was the triple last night him coming out of his funk? We'll never know.

Edgy MD wrote: It's at about the one-minute mark here. [youtube]ClsAOhhUKz0[/youtube] Excellent footage, thank you. batmagadanleadoff wrote: Zvon wrote: Didn't Straw hit the scoreboard once? I don't recall the details. Anyone? Has any other Mets hit the scoreboard? I'm thinking Delgado might have. Straw hit it against the Astros, and Mo Vaughn hit it against the Braves. I was at both of those games -- front row behind the plate for Mo's shot. Wowzers. I saw Straws sweet spot on the scoreboard(the dent in vid?). Pick a spot for Mo.