Edgy DC wrote: Well, I don't know that there is or isn't more to Wagner's issues than lack of work, but there's more to veloicty than strength. Mike Piazza, I imagine, could arm-wrestle Wagner to dust. Having, or rather feeling, too much power can mess with your form and reduce your control, and, paradoxically, your velocity. That's part of the reason catchers and pitching coaches are always doing that "calm down" motion when they go to the mound. Absolutely - there's so much involved in anything like that; my brother bowls wrist spin pretty well in cricket http://www.channel4.com/sport/cricket/analyst/bowling/ana_63.html it's a very complicated action and he's very good except when he gets a bit hyped up and then he starts over ripping it and losing his release point. I can see it in him before he's released the ball.