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Frayed Knot wrote: ="seawolf17"]Jeez. Bill Hahn's moustache makes him look like he's in Witness Protection. Or the Village People. Gary throws out a 'You don't mess around with Bill' comment that no one either picked up on or just didn't respond to ... but I'm sure he was going for a reference to Hahn looking like Jim Croce and his 'You Don't Mess Around with Jim' album. Gary obviously ate his Special Edition Pop Culture Cheerios this morning.

Jeez. Bill Hahn's moustache makes him look like he's in Witness Protection. Or the Village People.

Sorry. Tried to split it back out and merge it, but deleted it by mistake. Thanks for reposting it here anyway.

Good idea. I'll split those out.

="metsguyinmichigan":7tzzcw9x]So do you advocate for Jim Rice and Dale Murphy, who had sustained periods of glory but didn't hit the milestones? I do.[/quote:7tzzcw9x] Absofuckinglutely. If you'd told me in 1984 that neither of those guys would be in yet, I'd have thought you were some sort of weird space traveler from the future. SteveJRogers Sep 21 2008 01:17 PM I'd put Rice in. Not sure about Murph. SteveJRogers Sep 21 2008 01:25 PM ="SteveJRogers":2jozdo8p]Shocked to hear Rice get overlooked yesterday morning when a radio show host rattled off Red Sox Left Fielders and only mentioned the no doubt HOFers in Teddy Ballgame, Yaz and ManRam. Rice, while won't go down historically with those three, should be listed among those three. Then again, the host is a bit of a moron.[/quote:2jozdo8p] Missed one Wolfie seawolf17 Sep 21 2008 01:27 PM Sorry. Tried to split it back out and merge it, but deleted it by mistake. Thanks for reposting it here anyway. TheOldMole Sep 21 2008 01:50 PM Hodges yes. Frayed Knot Sep 21 2008 01:53 PM Santo seawolf17 Sep 21 2008 01:59 PM I say Hodges/Santo/Torre. Soft spots for my birthday buddy Dick Allen and the ageless Jim Kaat, but I don't think the rest make the cut. metsguyinmichigan Sep 21 2008 02:59 PM I would vote for Santo, Hodges and Allen. Met Hunter Sep 21 2008 03:41 PM I predict that not one member of this year's bullpen gets in. Not even with paid admission. Valadius Sep 21 2008 04:48 PM I'm with MGIM. Vic Sage Sep 22 2008 09:41 AM It would neither shock my conscience nor surprise me if no one got in. That being said: Ron Santo - Santo wasn't an accumulator, didn't lead the league in anything important, and didn't win any championships; he does meet the "5-year/10-year" test (at least 5 years great, and at least 10 years very good), but just barely. But from 63-67, he won GGs and was as good a hitter as their was in the league. I'd say he's borderline for a reason, but it wouldn't bother me to see him go in. YES. Dick Allen - a better case than Santo; a ROY and MVP, top 10 in OPS+ for 10 years (1st = 3x), and top 10 in RC for 8 of those years (1st = 3x). But as a bad glove at 1b, and bad rep with press, he's been kept out. Again, borderline, but I'd say YES. Gil Hodges - As a manager, his career was too brief to achieve HOF credentials. As a player, he was Norm Cash, playing in a bandbox. NO. Jim Kaat - the ultimate accumulator. NO. Tony Oliva - at the other end of the spectrum, Oliva was great for 5-6 years, but couldn't sustain it. NO. Al Oliver - a very good player, but not great; but how many guys have their career years at age 35? but NO. Vada Pinson - like Santo, just barely makes the 5-y/10-y threshold, but hung around for another decade. I don't think so. NO. Luis Tiant - had a few great years, but mostly just good. NO. Joe Torre - great year in 71, and a few other excellent seasons, but not enough. As a manager, he sucked until he managed to stay out of the way of some great teams. I can't possibly go along with his enshrinement. NO. Maury Wills - 1 great year, a few other good ones. Um, NO. Benjamin Grimm Sep 22 2008 09:45 AM Vic didn't mention Dale Murphy, but I'd call him a NO. Vic Sage Sep 22 2008 09:53 AM Murphy wasn't on the list in this thread, But, if you want to include him: DALE MURPHY - he was a guy with a very high peak, whose career completely fell off the table at a relatively young age. I presume it was injuries. But he won 2 MVPs and, in 6 of 8 seasons from 1980-1987, he was a GG-calibre CFer and as good a hitter as their was in the NL. But after that, at age 32, it was like his switch got turned off. So, unfortunately, I'd have to say NO. Frayed Knot Dec 08 2008 12:37 PM Joe Gordon and no one else. If I had to choose one off of the vet's ballot I don't think I would have gone with him. Valadius Dec 08 2008 12:41 PM Oy gevalt. Another undeserving Yankee. John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 08 2008 12:53 PM Gordon's MVP in 42 should have gone to Ted Williams. But he had a pretty strong career overall. Vic Sage Dec 08 2008 01:16 PM he lost 2 of his prime years to WWII, preventing him from accumulating more impressive numbers. But what was there was "cherce." sharpie Dec 08 2008 01:44 PM Baseball reference has him being traded by the Indians to the Tigers in 1960 for Jimmie Dykes. Gordon retired in 1950, Dykes in 1939. Overall, a better trade for the Indians as Dykes was over 60 at the time. http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/gordojo01.shtml Valadius Dec 08 2008 01:50 PM They traded managers. sharpie Dec 08 2008 01:56 PM Yes of course. Actually turned out slightly better for the Tigers than the Indians. Edgy DC Dec 08 2008 05:15 PM The larger veterans committee made up of living members tasked to review careers that started after World War II turned in no names for the fourth straight time. "It's not our job to vote someone in," Hall of Fame manager Dick Williams said by phone from Las Vegas, where the results were announced at baseball's Winter Meetings. "It's our job to consider the candidates." That's pretty cool considering how long Williams was on the outside.

Hey! I'm Mike Piazza! Cool! /hits long home run to right field

Frayed Knot wrote: a 75 hour pre-game show leading into tonight's game featuring the history of Yanqui Stadium (both I and II) Excellent. I didn't like what I had for lunch today anyway.

Oh, and yes, Santo should be in, and you have to figure he'll drum up enough vet support.

="metsguyinmichigan":23flo0qg]What did he finish with, 2,700 hits? That's impressive. I know he's on the new vets' ballot. So is Santo, who should have been in years ago.[/quote:23flo0qg] The "compilers" bore me. He was really pedestrian for most of his career. Sure, he got a lot of hits, but he only made the All-Star game twice (in his first two full seasons, and never thereafter), only made the postseason once (and sucked), drove in 100 only twice (career high 106 -- although I don't know where he batted in the lineup), and his career OPS is .769, which means he's Yunel Escobar in 2008 (110 OPS+, however). ="SteveJRogers":23flo0qg]Who was advocating? Mex? And what was the context? Delgado's 2,000th?[/quote:23flo0qg] Don't remember. I came into the room on a discussion of the vets' ballot, and they were saying something about "280-plus wins." Kaat, maybe? Then the discussion turned to Pinson. Must have been Mex, I'd think. seawolf17 Sep 21 2008 01:12 PM Oh, and yes, Santo should be in, and you have to figure he'll drum up enough vet support. Frayed Knot Sep 21 2008 01:14 PM Gary brought up Pinson. I believe he called him "intriguing" without neccessarily saying he belonged. SteveJRogers Sep 21 2008 01:14 PM ="metsguyinmichigan":26v1powi]Maybe Mex thinks that if Vada goes in, so does he.[/quote:26v1powi] Could be! Speaking of that, heard Boomer Esaison do a football talk show with Chris Russo when Jim Kelly went into the Hall. Russo was against Kelly going in, Boomer was for it, and Russo was giving Boomer Kelly's stats and said that they were comparable to Boomer's. Russo then asked if Kelly belonged, did that mean Boomer should go in, and Boomer actually said "probably." metsguyinmichigan Sep 21 2008 01:14 PM So do you advocate for Jim Rice and Dale Murphy, who had sustained periods of glory but didn't hit the milestones? I do. seawolf17 Sep 21 2008 01:15 PM ="metsguyinmichigan":7tzzcw9x]So do you advocate for Jim Rice and Dale Murphy, who had sustained periods of glory but didn't hit the milestones? I do.[/quote:7tzzcw9x] Absofuckinglutely. If you'd told me in 1984 that neither of those guys would be in yet, I'd have thought you were some sort of weird space traveler from the future. SteveJRogers Sep 21 2008 01:17 PM I'd put Rice in. Not sure about Murph. SteveJRogers Sep 21 2008 01:25 PM ="SteveJRogers":2jozdo8p]Shocked to hear Rice get overlooked yesterday morning when a radio show host rattled off Red Sox Left Fielders and only mentioned the no doubt HOFers in Teddy Ballgame, Yaz and ManRam. Rice, while won't go down historically with those three, should be listed among those three. Then again, the host is a bit of a moron.[/quote:2jozdo8p] Missed one Wolfie seawolf17 Sep 21 2008 01:27 PM Sorry. Tried to split it back out and merge it, but deleted it by mistake. Thanks for reposting it here anyway. TheOldMole Sep 21 2008 01:50 PM Hodges yes. Frayed Knot Sep 21 2008 01:53 PM Santo seawolf17 Sep 21 2008 01:59 PM I say Hodges/Santo/Torre. Soft spots for my birthday buddy Dick Allen and the ageless Jim Kaat, but I don't think the rest make the cut. metsguyinmichigan Sep 21 2008 02:59 PM I would vote for Santo, Hodges and Allen. Met Hunter Sep 21 2008 03:41 PM I predict that not one member of this year's bullpen gets in. Not even with paid admission. Valadius Sep 21 2008 04:48 PM I'm with MGIM. Vic Sage Sep 22 2008 09:41 AM It would neither shock my conscience nor surprise me if no one got in. That being said: Ron Santo - Santo wasn't an accumulator, didn't lead the league in anything important, and didn't win any championships; he does meet the "5-year/10-year" test (at least 5 years great, and at least 10 years very good), but just barely. But from 63-67, he won GGs and was as good a hitter as their was in the league. I'd say he's borderline for a reason, but it wouldn't bother me to see him go in. YES. Dick Allen - a better case than Santo; a ROY and MVP, top 10 in OPS+ for 10 years (1st = 3x), and top 10 in RC for 8 of those years (1st = 3x). But as a bad glove at 1b, and bad rep with press, he's been kept out. Again, borderline, but I'd say YES. Gil Hodges - As a manager, his career was too brief to achieve HOF credentials. As a player, he was Norm Cash, playing in a bandbox. NO. Jim Kaat - the ultimate accumulator. NO. Tony Oliva - at the other end of the spectrum, Oliva was great for 5-6 years, but couldn't sustain it. NO. Al Oliver - a very good player, but not great; but how many guys have their career years at age 35? but NO. Vada Pinson - like Santo, just barely makes the 5-y/10-y threshold, but hung around for another decade. I don't think so. NO. Luis Tiant - had a few great years, but mostly just good. NO. Joe Torre - great year in 71, and a few other excellent seasons, but not enough. As a manager, he sucked until he managed to stay out of the way of some great teams. I can't possibly go along with his enshrinement. NO. Maury Wills - 1 great year, a few other good ones. Um, NO. Benjamin Grimm Sep 22 2008 09:45 AM Vic didn't mention Dale Murphy, but I'd call him a NO. Vic Sage Sep 22 2008 09:53 AM Murphy wasn't on the list in this thread, But, if you want to include him: DALE MURPHY - he was a guy with a very high peak, whose career completely fell off the table at a relatively young age. I presume it was injuries. But he won 2 MVPs and, in 6 of 8 seasons from 1980-1987, he was a GG-calibre CFer and as good a hitter as their was in the NL. But after that, at age 32, it was like his switch got turned off. So, unfortunately, I'd have to say NO. Frayed Knot Dec 08 2008 12:37 PM Joe Gordon and no one else. If I had to choose one off of the vet's ballot I don't think I would have gone with him. Valadius Dec 08 2008 12:41 PM Oy gevalt. Another undeserving Yankee. John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 08 2008 12:53 PM Gordon's MVP in 42 should have gone to Ted Williams. But he had a pretty strong career overall. Vic Sage Dec 08 2008 01:16 PM he lost 2 of his prime years to WWII, preventing him from accumulating more impressive numbers. But what was there was "cherce." sharpie Dec 08 2008 01:44 PM Baseball reference has him being traded by the Indians to the Tigers in 1960 for Jimmie Dykes. Gordon retired in 1950, Dykes in 1939. Overall, a better trade for the Indians as Dykes was over 60 at the time. http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/gordojo01.shtml Valadius Dec 08 2008 01:50 PM They traded managers. sharpie Dec 08 2008 01:56 PM Yes of course. Actually turned out slightly better for the Tigers than the Indians. Edgy DC Dec 08 2008 05:15 PM The larger veterans committee made up of living members tasked to review careers that started after World War II turned in no names for the fourth straight time. "It's not our job to vote someone in," Hall of Fame manager Dick Williams said by phone from Las Vegas, where the results were announced at baseball's Winter Meetings. "It's our job to consider the candidates." That's pretty cool considering how long Williams was on the outside.

The ballot: Results will be announced on December 8. The final ballot was announced on September 16; all ten finalists were returnees from the 2007 final ballot: * Dick Allen * Gil Hodges * Jim Kaat * Tony Oliva * Al Oliver * Vada Pinson * Ron Santo * Luis Tiant * Joe Torre * Maury Wills SPLIT FROM 9/21/08 IGT follows: Vada Pinson is not a Hall of Famer and should not be. A nice player, but no. Had a really solid run from 59-64, but then kinda fell off the table and just hung around for ten years.

Welcome to this week's episode of "Stevie Jeets' Hairbrained Comparisons That Don't Make Any Sense." Here's your host, Chuck Woolery.

Classic shot of Gary snoozing in the booth!

[arod]You know, Wright only hit that home run because there was nobody in scoring position. If they'd moved Pelfrey to second, he would have popped up weakly to third.[/arod]

Guess he had nothing left. Weird -- you'd think with this bullpen they would have found him an inning or two somewhere in the next week and a half. Prediction: Reyes signs with the Cubs or the Marlins for the last week of the season and pitches at Shea.

bmfc1 wrote: AZ opens with 18 out of the first 21 at home. That's quite an advantage, isn't it? http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/schedule/index.jsp?c_id=ari&m=4&y=2009 Yeah, but then they're on the road -- and all across the country, from New York to San Francisco -- for 26 of 35 from late July to early September, so it balances a bit.

Met Hunter wrote: MAB Celebrity is having a Shea Goodbye card show/signing that weekend. These are the guests listed so far: Art Shamsky Darryl Strawberry Dwight Gooden Edgardo Alfonzo Felix Millan George Theodore Jerry Koosman Robin Ventura Ron Swoboda Rusty Staub Tom Seaver Wally Backman Willie Mays Yogi Berra Jack Fisher I'm guessing at least these players will be in town for the final game. Interesting. I'd ask for more information, as some of those guys I'd love to add to my Mets collection (Stork, Shamsky, Fisher), but I'm sure that fees are going to be outlandish. (I'd love Mays too, but I certainly don't have that kind of cash.)

I proudly added a Fernando Tatis autographed card to my Mets collection last week; he exceeded my expectations more than anyone else this season.

No, you GOTTA believe. That's why you're a fan. You might not "expect," but you gotta believe they can take it home.

Gotta. Or else why waste the time here?

And Lilly's through six.

According to Wikipedia- May 5-6, 1917: The Browns no-hit the White Sox twice in two days, but the second one was the second game of a doubleheader, so they weren't two games in a row. Other than that, never.

Oh, and Ted Lilly has a no-hitter through five this afternoon. The Astros haven't gotten a hit since Jose Castillo singled in the eighth inning... Thursday night. Which was almost four whole days ago.

Hiring Willie would be a fascinating story. As it is, this is really surprising. I can't remember a managerial move like this -- with the playoffs on the line -- so late in the season. Did he piss on Doug Melvin's cat? Weird. Ted Simmons is out too. http://milwaukee.brewers.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20080915&content_id=3480423&vkey=pr_mil&fext=.jsp&c_id=mil

I thought Elster was going for something else there, actually, but I didn't know how to post it without making Val look silly. Let's try that again. LET'S

I hat you. I refuse to recognize the existence of this thread.