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="smg58":27rfu7sx][url:27rfu7sx]http://www.amazinavenue.com/2009/1/7/711009/citi-field-where-homeruns[/url:27rfu7sx] Amazingly, it wasn't hard at all to find an article suggesting exactly the opposite of what Heyman says about Citifield.[/quote:27rfu7sx] That was what I remembered also, not the "launching pad" thing. Heyman's an ass. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 12 2009 09:56 AM ="seawolf17":18o7iaxe]="smg58":18o7iaxe][url:18o7iaxe]http://www.amazinavenue.com/2009/1/7/711009/citi-field-where-homeruns[/url:18o7iaxe] Amazingly, it wasn't hard at all to find an article suggesting exactly the opposite of what Heyman says about Citifield.[/quote:18o7iaxe] That was what I remembered also, not the "launching pad" thing. Heyman's an ass.[/quote:18o7iaxe] I don't buy that linked story either, at least not all of it. I think we'll have to wait and see. I think stuff like the batter's eye and lighting has as much or more to do with it than fence heights and configurations. The Mets have also indicated the fences can go up or down if needed, I think I read somewhere. batmagadanleadoff Jan 12 2009 09:57 AM ="smg58":1lloyi2s][url:1lloyi2s]http://www.amazinavenue.com/2009/1/7/711009/citi-field-where-homeruns[/url:1lloyi2s] Amazingly, it wasn't hard at all to find an article suggesting exactly the opposite of what Heyman says about Citifield.[/quote:1lloyi2s] This was a good read. By the way, I was always under the impression that Citi Field would favor the pitcher slightly. So Heyman's piece notwithstanding, am I misremembering? metirish Jan 12 2009 09:58 AM No you are not misremembering but I think Heyman read Jeff Wilpon talking about Evens " even hitting them over the wall" and came to the logical conclusion that it must be a launching pad. Frayed Knot Jan 12 2009 10:01 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 12 2009 10:03 AM According to the Mets, CitiField was designed to be, at worst, neutral and hopefully favoring pitchers somewhat. But like someone said above, the proof is in the playing and all kinds of things can affect the final outcome that may not have been thought of by the planners. It's a lot more than just the numbers on the wall. Was it the new place in Philly or in Cincy (or maybe both) where open areas behind home/3rd led to wind tunnels that carried the balls out towards RF much more than anyone thought. Neither was necessarily designed as homer-happy palaces. CF is going to be more enclosed than Shea and also turned some 25-30 degrees to the north. Not sure how much/if those will factor in. I think Heyman is taking a quickie impression based on an impromptu BP session and drawing a whole lotta silly conclusions from it. batmagadanleadoff Jan 12 2009 10:03 AM ="metirish":3lsk2pws]No you are not misremembering but I think Heyman read Jeff Wilpon talking about Evens " even hitting them over the wall" and came to the logical conclusion that it must be a launching pad.[/quote:3lsk2pws] I'll say this for Heyman in fairness -- like him or not (and I'm not sure where I stand) last season, he was by far, the most accurate reporter at predicting future Mets moves ... especially during the will-they-fire-Willie and when-will-they-fire-Willie phase of the 2008 season. TransMonk Jan 12 2009 10:03 AM I don't know why anyone would think the new park will be a "launching pad". If I had to predict, I would say Citi will play similar to the new Ted in Atlanta. Similar elevation, dimensions and direction. Anything's possible depending on how the wind reacts, but I haven't seen much evidence to this point that Citi will favor HR hitters. Edgy DC Jan 12 2009 10:09 AM ="TransMonk":2hobzjr5]I don't know why anyone would think the new park will be a "launching pad".[/quote:2hobzjr5] A single batting practice session with three players, that's why! seawolf17 Jan 12 2009 10:52 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":wqe3qe7s]The Mets have also indicated the fences can go up or down if needed, I think I read somewhere.[/quote:wqe3qe7s] I say they put them up when we're in the field, and down when we're at the plate. Benjamin Grimm Jan 12 2009 11:24 AM Bill Veeck tried something like that in the minor leagues. He had a chain link fence installed on a track on top of the regular fence. When the home team was batting, the fence would be rolled off to the side, and when the visitors were up it would be rolled back into place. Needless to say, he didn't get away with that for long. Nymr83 Jan 12 2009 12:45 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":ips0smpy]Bill Veeck tried something like that in the minor leagues. He had a chain link fence installed on a track on top of the regular fence. When the home team was batting, the fence would be rolled off to the side, and when the visitors were up it would be rolled back into place. Needless to say, he didn't get away with that for long.[/quote:ips0smpy] yeah, but that leads to a better idea that you might get away with... having a higher "portable" fence in games started by your flyball pitchers than you do in games started by your groundballers. Gwreck Jan 12 2009 06:12 PM ="Nymr83":1gekmyvr]yeah, but that leads to a better idea that you might get away with... having a higher "portable" fence in games started by your flyball pitchers than you do in games started by your groundballers.[/quote:1gekmyvr] I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think that's actually prohibited. Edgy DC Jan 12 2009 08:02 PM Yes it is. Teams need league permission before changing ballpark dimiensions, and I'm certain they'd be intolerant of a team changing them daily on the basis of who is pitching.. Nymr83 Jan 12 2009 08:47 PM is the height of a wall included in dimensions though? or are "dimensions" just the distance from homeplate to the wall? Edgy DC Jan 12 2009 09:00 PM I guess it's a valid question, but I consider the z axis to be a dimension. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 12 2009 09:39 PM I am sure that changing fence heights would require prior league approval. Frayed Knot Jan 13 2009 06:16 AM Yeah, something like that would almost certainly be done between seasons and only after notifying MLB and probably after waiting for permission. All Jeffy said was the OF was designed with the possibility of fine-tuning the wall height in mind (and maybe even small changes in distances in some spots) so that if minor adjustments were needed it wouldn't mean tearing out certain seats and blocking the views of others if the place started to look too hitter-friendly (or, presumably, too pitcher-friendly). MFS62 Jan 13 2009 06:46 AM Discussion about whether or not CitiField will be a launching pad is premature because the wind currents when Shea is down are not known yet. Later Nymr83 Jan 13 2009 07:18 AM but isn't shea basically behind homeplate which is closed off anyway? i'd only expect shea to significantly effect the winds there if shea was facing an open part of stadium. i have no proof of this, but i got the feeling every game i went to this year that citifield was having a huge effect on the winds inside shea Centerfield Jan 13 2009 07:54 AM Back to the original topic. Heyman has the Braves going 4 years, close to $60 million for Lowe. Vince Coleman Firecracker Jan 13 2009 08:05 AM ="Centerfield":3os7gt8v]Back to the original topic. Heyman has the Braves going 4 years, close to $60 million for Lowe.[/quote:3os7gt8v] Gak! Where's Ben Sheets? metirish Jan 13 2009 08:07 AM In that same Heyman article he says the Mets are proposing a three year $30 million deal for Ollie , I don't see that getting it done. seawolf17 Jan 13 2009 09:24 AM Lowe's a Brave: http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/braves/stories/2009/01/13/braves_lowe.html Edgy DC Jan 13 2009 09:25 AM Welcome back, Ollie! Benjamin Grimm Jan 13 2009 09:27 AM Yuck. seawolf17 Jan 13 2009 09:29 AM ="Benjamin Grimm":26lhjjuj]Yuck.[/quote:26lhjjuj] No, I'm okay with that: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=270719119 bmfc1 Jan 13 2009 09:36 AM Heyman seems to be the first to report any news about Boras's clients. Peter Gammons, on January 07, said: "A lot of general managers and those of us in the business kid about a couple of sites referred to as ScottBoras.com, and Scott will float things out there and throw it out there and people will report it...." http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2009/01/gammonss_take.html I wonder if he was referring to Heyman. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 13 2009 09:37 AM For an xtra year and an xtra 24 million they can have him. Now let's get Ollie. metirish Jan 13 2009 09:40 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":3qgkl57i]For an xtra year and an xtra 24 million they can have him. Now let's get Ollie.[/quote:3qgkl57i] Exactly , the four years is bad but they also seemed to have blown the door open with the $60 million , who did they think they were competing with? attgig Jan 13 2009 09:49 AM ="metirish":27ncuko8]="John Cougar Lunchbucket":27ncuko8]For an xtra year and an xtra 24 million they can have him. Now let's get Ollie.[/quote:27ncuko8] Exactly , the four years is bad but they also seemed to have blown the door open with the $60 million , who did they think they were competing with?[/quote:27ncuko8] a mystery team. who else? Fman99 Jan 13 2009 09:52 AM Good. Way too much money/years for a guy who is 36 and has his head screwed on sideways. I like Sheets or Ollie at this point as a #4 guy. Benjamin Grimm Jan 13 2009 09:58 AM I really wanted them to get someone better than Oliver Perez. I wanted a number 2 guy. Oh well. I would have been more optimistic heading into the season with Lowe than Perez. At least Redding should be an upgrade over Pedro. metsguyinmichigan Jan 13 2009 10:02 AM I'm very OK with this. That deal is going to look horrible before too long. Ollie can be lights out. He'll probably toss our first no-hitter. A seven-walk, two hit-batsman no-hitter, granted. smg58 Jan 13 2009 11:08 AM ="smg58":3cvsi3pd]A month or so ago I thought Derek Lowe would present the best value of the free agent pitchers. But I hear more rumors about teams being interested in him than in anybody else. I no longer think he'll come that cheap. He's more consistent and durable than any other pitcher on the market besides CC, but at his age I wouldn't want to be the team that offers him a fourth year at $15M+ per.[/quote:3cvsi3pd] I said that on Nov. 5, and I'm sticking to it. A Boy Named Seo Jan 13 2009 11:13 AM Good job, Mets. I don't doubt Lowe woulda been fine this year, maybe better than Ollie, and maybe good next year, too. But they weren't gonna go four expensive years on a 36-year old guy period, and they stuck to that. MFS62 Jan 13 2009 11:42 AM From age 37-40, Curt Schilling went sometning like 51-24, with ERA+ from 80 (one year) to 150 (best during that span). Not saying Lowe can come close to that, but it can happen. Of course there are probably many examples of rapid declines, too. But Lowe reminds me of Schilling - a bulldog. I wanted him on the Mets. Later Frayed Knot Jan 13 2009 01:21 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":r9o9y1ku]I'll say this for Heyman in fairness -- like him or not (and I'm not sure where I stand) last season, he was by far, the most accurate reporter at predicting future Mets moves ... especially during the will-they-fire-Willie and when-will-they-fire-Willie phase of the 2008 season.[/quote:r9o9y1ku] Heyman has long been a first-rate baseball reporter as far as digging out the facts and getting them right more often than not and often getting them first. And he didn't always get the credit for his scoops due to the tendency of the national press to cite the big-city dailies while overlooking Heyman's suburban-based Newsday. It may have been those frequent slights that prompted him to leave the newspaper biz for the brighter lights of SI, WFAN, SNY, and now MLBTV. Heyman's columnist persona while he was still at Newsday tended to irk a few around here from time to time but that was usually separate from his regular reporter chores. Nymr83 Jan 13 2009 01:30 PM too much and too long for Lowe, i'm glad it wasn't us.

No, nine in eighteen (2005-2023). In defense of the Cardinals, the two guys they got were an eight-time All-Star in the prime of his career (who, like Wright, retired and was selected to the Hall of Fame) and a thumper who became the top catcher in the league, leading the Cards to two titles of their own (including last season).

="Edgy DC":q9q9bdgh]I hesitate to ask, but how many championships have you brought home for us?[/quote:q9q9bdgh] More than probably realistically possible. Nine, including four straight from 2007-2010. Edgy DC Jan 11 2009 02:35 PM Nine in 16 years? Totally possible, especially with the way you ripped off the Cards. seawolf17 Jan 11 2009 03:41 PM No, nine in eighteen (2005-2023). In defense of the Cardinals, the two guys they got were an eight-time All-Star in the prime of his career (who, like Wright, retired and was selected to the Hall of Fame) and a thumper who became the top catcher in the league, leading the Cards to two titles of their own (including last season). TheOldMole Jan 12 2009 08:11 AM I've been replaying the 1948 season on Diamond Mind. I did the 1947 season, and the Giants, with their incredible home run power, beat out the Dodgers for the NL pennant -- outside of Branca, the Dodgers' pitching really fell apart. The Giants also outslugged the Yankees in the World Series. 1948 is an interesting year for a Dodger fan, because most of the ingredients for their great teams were there, but not quite in place yet. Carl Furillo is their regular center fielder. Duke Snider comes up in midseason, but doesn't win an everyday spot. Billy Cox starts more games at third than anyone else, but that means only 70 games. It's a revolving door, with Spider Jorgensen nearing the end of his career, but still hanging in, Tommy Brown getting one of several shots to win a regular position, Eddie Miksis getting a bunch or starts. Gil Hodges becomes pretty much a regular at first, but still catches a few games -- they haven't entirely given up on their 1847 lineup of Hodges catching and Robinson at first. Preston Ward actually starts the season as the regular first baseman. Campanella shares catching duties with Hodges, but mostly with Bruce Edwards, who also plays third, outfield, and even fills in a couple of times at first. Robinson is pretty much the everyday second baseman, with Miksis his main replacement, and Reese is the one day in, day out player. The outfield is in a huge state of flux, with aging veteran Arky Vaughan and prematurely aging veteran Pete Reiser still around. Gene Hermanski in left is actually their closest thing to an everyday player, and he stays around for a while. My Dodger fandom began in 1950, and fanaticism in 1951, so Hermanski is the first left fielder i remember -- he went in mid-'51 in the Andy Pafko deal. Their closest thing to a third regular outfielder is Marv Rackley, with both George Shuba and Dick Whitman getting more playing time than Snider. They will try to get rid of Rackley in May of 1948, trading him to the Pirates for Johnny Hopp, but the deal is voided three weeks later and the players returned toi their respective teams. I wonder that that was about? The Dodgers do get rid of Rackley after the 1949 season, selling him to the Cincinnati Reds for sixty bucks, and one has to wonder how they arrived at that figure. But by 1949, the Dodger everyday lineup is set. Pitching - they don't have Newcombe yet. Rex Barney is actually their ace. Branca's in the regular rotation, as is Preacher Roe. Erskine a spot starter/reliever. Edgy DC Jan 27 2009 11:20 AM 'Wolf, I meant to ask. Did we ever get a no-hitter? MFS62 Jan 27 2009 11:56 AM Mole, that was a year or two before I really started rooting for Brooklyn. But until the team moved after the 1957 season, third base was always a weak link for them. Cox was there for several more years, then gave way to Don Hoak. Travis Jackson played there for a year or two and IIRC Jackie Robinson and Pee Wee Reese even played the most games there for a year or two. Thanks for the memories. Later seawolf17 Jan 27 2009 12:23 PM Two, actually: 8/26/2006, Pedro Martinez (NYM), 4 K, 1 BB against the Reds 8/29/2009, Jake Peavy (NYM), 8 K, 7 BB against the Astros I signed Peavy as a FA after the 2007 season; he pitched eleven and a half seasons, winning a Cy Young in 2009 (20-6, 2.70, 235 Ks in 220 IP) before falling apart in 2019. The Yankees claimed him off waivers, but he was awful that season (2-8, 6.39 in 18 starts). I signed him that offseason to a minor league deal, but the magic was gone, and I released him in June after he started the season 2-8, 8.94 in AAA. Edgy DC Jan 27 2009 01:33 PM I'd figure the first one would have stopped time or something. Methead Jan 27 2009 03:45 PM I'm so addicted to Puresim Baseball it's not even funny. I use fictional players though, so I don't really have any fun Mets parallels I can make. Edgy DC Feb 09 2009 05:56 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 09 2009 08:10 PM OK, so I get my 1969 Mets ridiculously hot in the NL division of my League of Champions, leading by as many as three games in early September of the 154-game schedule. But I've over-used both my sluggers and my relievers, and they trudge through September with the swooning offensed of the Valentine era Mets and the swooning pen of the Randolph era variety. The 1964 St. Louis Cardinals catch and pass them by a game. My desperate strategy is to try and coax long workdays out of my starting pitchers and to run Boswell and Gaspar crazy. If a Shamsky gets on in a game situation, damn it, pinch run Amos Otis, we've got a division to win. And, for a few games anyhow, it works. I go into the final game up one over the Cards. But I'm up against my old nemesis, the 1934 Tigers --- sluggers through the lineup, and iron man starters that are hard to chase. I start Tom Seaver on three days rest, looking for the clincher. But the offense is blowing chunks against Schoolboy Rowe. Through eight innings, the 1969ers have four hits and no runs. The visiting Tiggs, meanwhile had broken through for a pair of runs in the seventh --- with some poor defensive choices by this manager probably helping them along. In a desperate attempt to generate something, I pinch-hit Gaspar and Martin in the eighth, and come up bone-dry. So, this is what my lineup looks like in the ninth. Boswell, 2b Harrelson, ss Jones, lf Shamsky, rf Agee, cf Kranepool, 1b Grote, c Gaspar, ph Charles, 3b Garrett, 3b Martin, ph, c SeaverSeaver leading off. Rowe is about at 100 pitches. What's my move in the ninth? My bench looks like this LRCollinsClendenon Dyer Otis Pfiel Swoboda Weis How should I play it in the ninth. MFS62 Feb 09 2009 06:20 PM Rowe was a righty, and looking at his records, 100 pitches doesn't seem a lot. They'll probably keep him in no matter what. They only had two lefties on that team, one starter and one reliever, who don't look that impressive. So Garrett might be an option. I'd pinch hit with the guy who had the magic in 1969 - Weis. He's the most likely of your remaining hitters to get on base. Then, you have a lefty and a switch hitter coming up, at least one who can bunt for a hit- Buddy. Then you have a good contact hitter, Jones and another lefty - Shamsky. If it comes down to Art with runners on and two out, looking out at the bullpen, Clendennon would be my choice if they bring in one of the lefties. Go get 'em tiger (no pun intended) Later Edgy DC Feb 09 2009 08:23 PM So that's one vote to pinch hit with Weis. It's a good thing you didn't stick with your original choice for Garrett, as he has already been pinch hit for the previous inning and was out of the game. And batting out of turn is an automatic out. MFS62 Feb 09 2009 09:26 PM I saw Collins and thought Garrett. My bad. But the strategy with either of them is still the same. Later John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 10 2009 05:34 AM Don't know what Otis or Dyer will get you right now. Why not go with Swo. Worst case, he whiffs and you went down giving it a shot. Best case he cuts the deficit in half. And he prolly reaches at at least the rate of the others. Then take it from there. Edgy DC Feb 10 2009 06:09 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 10 2009 07:19 AM My thinking was built around Harrelson. He, of course, has no power, but also didn't have a particularly good year (even for him) as a hitter for average) or bunter or base stealer that year. He was also subject to overuse. If I got a guy or two on, was I going to pinch-hit for the punchless Buddy? If so, I had to save Clendenon for that. The whole meatball was on the line here. I looked Buddy in the eye and went with my gut, trusting in his walkiness and his switch-hitterness. That left me to use Clendenon not for his primary skill, but for a secondary one --- getting on base, and being a good enough runner not to clog the tying run behind him. And my hope wasn't for naught. On the fifth pitch, with a 2-2 count. Clendenon singles up the middle. The lineup turns over, and I have two good left-righty matchups coming. Boswell --- again on pitch five with a 2-2 count --- pulls one through the hole. Donn stops at second, and I have the tying run on first. Manager Mickey Cochrane goes to the pen and out comes righthander Roxie Lawson '35. out of Iowa Wesleyan College. What say? Tying runs on. Do I stick with Buddy? John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 10 2009 07:08 AM He's got too much speed to be a triple play candidate. And you know Gil would have him bunting. F it. If you're gonna put a guy 2nd in the batting order only to wuss out with the game on the line then you're making at least one mistake. I say let Bud bat and swing away. Edgy DC Feb 10 2009 07:24 AM Good call! And bunting is for loosers! On a 2-1 pitch, Bud Harrelson '69 doubles off the of the base of the wall in the left field corner! Clendenon '69 tears around third and scores standing up. Boswell '69, though a Very Good (rated) basestealer, is merely an Average (rated) baserunner. Confronted with Goose Goslin '35's Average (rated) throwing arm, do I send Boswell? Frayed Knot Feb 10 2009 07:26 AM With no outs?!? ... Hell no!! - particularly on a ball in the corner where it'll be a shorter throw/relay. Edgy DC Feb 10 2009 07:46 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 10 2009 08:10 AM Amen. So I get really nervous --- remember my inability to score the tying run from third with no outs earlier in this thread --- even with the heart of the order coming up. I pinch-run Amos Otis (rated Excellent as a runner) for Boswell. If I tie it up and don't win it, I still have infielders Collins and Weis and Pfiel on the bench. But I feel like I'm being a real wimp, playing for the tie at home. The tying and winning runs on, they want little to do with Jones '69, and they pitch around him. I let him swing the bat, but he doesn't see anything he likes, and walks on four pitches. Did somebody say pinch-hit for Shamsky? Hell no! Are you a plant from his ex-wife? He's a .300 hitter with power and my cleanup hitter. He, too, walks, bringing home the tying run, the easiest act of heroism in Amos Otis' career. Up steps Agee, he rips the third pitch through the hole on the left side, and pandemonium begins. MFS62 Feb 10 2009 08:00 AM Way to go! Edgy - our own John McGraw. Later

I'm such a total OOTP dork. I'm actually still playing OOTP6; I never upgraded. I'm in the middle of the 2024 season with my fake Mets. Reyes retired in 2021 with 2587 hits, 140 HR, 962 SB. Wright retired in 2022 with 2704 hits, 416 HR. Had a dynamic 2013 (.363/.442/.727, 49 HR, 157 RBI). Had the cojones to test free agency after the 2015 season, signing with the Cardinals, but I threw two top prospects at them and reacquired him during spring training. Yusmeiro Petit (remember him?) retired after the 2023 season, a five-time Cy Young winner and lifetime Met with a career 2.91 ERA. (It actually should have been lower if he retired earlier; from 2020-2022 he really fell off the table.)

I love OOTP.

The Pride of Rochester. I'm excited; it was a big deal up there when he signed.

="John Cougar Lunchbucket":2sfd2kv5]Yeah but what you didn't know was that he wore 34 all through spring training that year, and switched only when the season began.[/quote:2sfd2kv5] You should start a Web site with all that info. Edgy DC Jan 09 2009 11:30 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":3j5pvsuf]Yeah but what you didn't know was that he wore 34 all through spring training that year, and switched only when the season began.[/quote:3j5pvsuf] That's what I'm looking for. G-Fafif Jan 09 2009 02:59 PM I spent an evening with Dave Roberts once[/url:3kn3tq44]. Mendoza Line Jan 09 2009 03:46 PM ]There were three David Arthurs in Major League history and all three played at the same time between 1971 and 1975. Who was the third? Dave Schneck? on edit - David Lee Schneck is not the answer. Met Hunter Jan 09 2009 04:07 PM From a card show signing in Pittsburgh, 2005. http://www.jpaulsports.com/images/photos/robert_large.jpg Met Hunter Jan 09 2009 04:11 PM The third guy was another pretty good pitcher: David Arthur McNally. Edgy DC Jan 10 2009 09:27 PM Well done, Hunter.

="G-Fafif"]Miserable little elitist jerk. I mean when he was growing up rooting for the MFYs. WTF? You're in fucking Baltimore, root for the fucking Orioles, you little bastard. God I hate them. Yeah, but when he grew up in the mid-80s, the Orioles didn't have any big stars that a kid could really love, especially a big future first baseman-type kid. Oh, wait.

"In-famous is when you're more than famous. This man El Guapo is not just famous, he's in-famous."

="batmagadanleadoff":2pjtoq4y]="seawolf17":2pjtoq4y]="John Cougar Lunchbucket":2pjtoq4y]Steve Let it Beiser v. John Cangelosi in the Sky with Diamonds[/quote:2pjtoq4y] Steve Let It Bieser vs Ed Let's Lynch The Landlord[/quote:2pjtoq4y] seawolf: this matchup's for you --- Stairway to Heh -Vinegar Bend Mizell vs. Rico Suave Brogna[/quote:2pjtoq4y] YES!! batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2009 01:03 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 06 2009 01:09 PM If I remember correctly, Berman's Bermanisms were funny because they were long. He'd use long song titles, or sometimes even work well-known long lyric phrases into the player's name instead of the song title. So you'd get something like: Stairway to Heh Vince Coleman vs. Dennis And Good Ol' Boys Were Drinking Whiskey and Ribant batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2009 01:08 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":1siexn0h]If I remember correctly, Berman's Bermanisms were funny because they were long. He'd use long song titles, or sometimes even work well-known long lyric phrases into the player's name instead of the song title. So you'd get something like: Stairway to Heh Vince Coleman vs. Dennis And Gool Ol' Boys Were Drinking Whiskey and Ribant[/quote:1siexn0h] Or this: Dennis And Good Ol' Boys Were Drinking Whiskey and Ribant vs. Duffy This'll Be the Day That I Dyer Centerfield Jan 06 2009 01:19 PM Dae Sung Koo Koo Ka-Choo Mrs. Robin(son) Ventura batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2009 01:25 PM ="Centerfield":azzyite0]Dae Sung Koo Koo Ka-Choo Mrs. Robin(son) Ventura[/quote:azzyite0] That's the spirit. How about: Bill (Koo Koo Katchoo Mrs.) Robinson vs. Hideo Jesus Loves You More Than You Will Nomo (Whoa Whoa Whoa) batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2009 01:31 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":1h0qkwj4]="Centerfield":1h0qkwj4]Dae Sung Koo Koo Ka-Choo Mrs. Robin(son) Ventura[/quote:1h0qkwj4] That's the spirit. How about: Bill (Koo Koo Katchoo Mrs.) Robinson vs. Hideo Jesus Loves You More Than You Will Nomo (Whoa Whoa Whoa)[/quote:1h0qkwj4] Bill Joltin' Joe Has Left and Gone A-Wakefield gets the winner of the above matchup. G-Fafif Jan 06 2009 02:38 PM Bill Joltin' Joe Has Left and Gone A-Wakefield vs. John "You Know Your Love (Your Love Keeps Lifting Me) Keeps On Lifting (Love Keeps Lifting Me) Higher (Lifting Me) Higher And" Strohmayer. MFS62 Jan 06 2009 02:46 PM Bill Joltin' Joe Has Left and Gone A-Wakefield VS Chan Ho MacArthur Park Later G-Fafif Jan 06 2009 02:55 PM Bill Joltin' Joe Has Left and Gone A-Wakefield vs. It's Up To You New York, New Yorkis Perez batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2009 03:33 PM ="G-Fafif":2bdq7a8p]Bill Joltin' Joe Has Left and Gone A-Wakefield vs. It's Up To You New York, New Yorkis Perez[/quote:2bdq7a8p] Bill These Little Town Blues Are Melting Awaykfield vs. It's Up To You New York, New Yorkis Perez batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2009 05:23 PM Wayne When The Moon Is In the Seventh Housie vs. Jeff Let the Sunshine, Let the Sunshine, The Suh-uhn Shine Innis dgwphotography Jan 06 2009 05:45 PM Wayne when the moon is in the seventh housie vs. Carlos In Delgado Da Vita MFS62 Jan 06 2009 05:54 PM Wayne when the moon is in the seventh housie VS Tommy nobody ever loved as much as he, but me, I love you Moore. (from "Pajama Game") Later batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2009 06:00 PM ="MFS62":36g7dwi7]Wayne when the moon is in the seventh housie VS Tommy nobody ever loved as much as he, but me, I love you Moore. (from "Pajama Game")[/quote:36g7dwi7] Wayne When the Moon is in the Seventh Housie vs. Mike When the Moon Hits your Eyes Like a Big Piazza Pie Willets Point Jan 07 2009 09:06 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":13zmwl5q]If I remember correctly, Berman's Bermanisms were funny because they were long. [/quote:13zmwl5q] Berman was funny? batmagadanleadoff Jan 07 2009 09:11 PM ="Willets Point":26u7xluz]Berman was funny?[/quote:26u7xluz] Go and ask Leather. Frayed Knot Jan 08 2009 11:44 AM CB: "... and the starter was relieved by Aaron Heil-Hitler-Man" (he wouldn't dare) batmagadanleadoff Jan 15 2009 11:44 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 03 2009 02:41 PM ="Frayed Knot"]CB: "... and the starter was relieved by Aaron Heil-Hitler-Man" I had a strong feeling that your post was gonna kill this thread. batmagadanleadoff Mar 03 2009 10:24 AM ="Iubitul":qzy0y9q0]Wayne when the moon is in the seventh Housie vs. Carlos In Delgado Da Vita[/quote:qzy0y9q0] Carlos In Delgado Da Vida vs. Scott Workin' too hard can give you a heart attack a ka ka Kazmir Edgy DC Mar 03 2009 10:30 AM Carlos In Delgado Da Vida vs. Chuck Baby You Can Drive My Carr dgwphotography Mar 03 2009 12:50 PM Carlos In Delgado Da Vida vs. Hubie Babbling Brooks Edgy DC Mar 03 2009 01:25 PM Iubitul taking on the reigning champ Iubitul. Met Hunter Mar 03 2009 05:31 PM I will dethrone Carlos with a twofer Tuesday. Carlos In Delgado Da Vida vs. Tommie This is the Dawning of the Agee of Aquarius Tommie This is the Dawning of the Agee of Aquarius vs. Pat People are Strange LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 04 2009 07:09 PM Um... yeah. That's, like, against the rules. Carlos In Delgado De Vida vs. Endy-is Mama Cried Chavez Met Hunter Mar 04 2009 09:30 PM OK. Carlos In Delgado Da Vida vs. Dan Keep Your Eyes on the Road Your Hands Upon the Wheeler. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 04 2009 09:37 PM Carlos In Delgado De Vida versus Ed Bouchee Bouchee Ya Ya Da Da Edgy DC Mar 04 2009 09:47 PM Ed Bouchee Bouchee Ya Ya Da Da vs. Shawn Bows and Flows of Angel Hare LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 04 2009 10:32 PM Ed Bouchee Bouchee Ya Ya Da Da vs. The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down/Of the big lake they call Kaz Ishii Edgy DC Mar 08 2009 05:37 AM Ed Bouchee Bouchee Ya Ya Da Da vs. Ty I SAID, What's that on your HEAD?! A WIIIIIG!!-inton dgwphotography Mar 08 2009 05:44 AM Ed Bouchee Bouchee Ya Ya Da Da vs. Rick "see ya later" Aguilera batmagadanleadoff Mar 08 2009 08:59 AM Iubi's really good at this. Met Hunter Mar 08 2009 05:27 PM Rick See Ya Later Aguilera vs. Rich Sweet Chiles of Mine dgwphotography Mar 08 2009 06:22 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":1jca620l]Iubi's really good at this.[/quote:1jca620l] I just remember a lot of the old Bermanisms. some of his originals were classics... LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 08 2009 06:38 PM Rich "Sweet" Chiles "of Mine" vs. Raul "Blame it on the" Casanova batmagadanleadoff Mar 08 2009 08:37 PM ="Iubitul":3nzo1sfn]="batmagadanleadoff":3nzo1sfn]Iubi's really good at this.[/quote:3nzo1sfn] I just remember a lot of the old Bermanisms. some of his originals were classics...[/quote:3nzo1sfn] You mean youve been plagiarizing from the man? Say it ain't so, Iubi! LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 16 2009 09:11 PM REBOOT: Rich "Sweet" Chiles "of Mine" versus J. J. Putz "the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the hose again"

="John Cougar Lunchbucket":3dp494km]Steve Let it Beiser v. John Cangelosi in the Sky with Diamonds[/quote:3dp494km] Steve Let It Bieser vs Ed Let's Lynch The Landlord batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2009 12:04 PM ="seawolf17":2u477t3c]="John Cougar Lunchbucket":2u477t3c]Steve Let it Beiser v. John Cangelosi in the Sky with Diamonds[/quote:2u477t3c] Steve Let It Bieser vs Ed Let's Lynch The Landlord[/quote:2u477t3c] Steve Let It Bieser vs. Grant Doctor Roberts batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2009 12:11 PM ="seawolf17":1rw013oe]="John Cougar Lunchbucket":1rw013oe]Steve Let it Beiser v. John Cangelosi in the Sky with Diamonds[/quote:1rw013oe] Steve Let It Bieser vs Ed Let's Lynch The Landlord[/quote:1rw013oe] seawolf: this matchup's for you --- Stairway to Heh -Vinegar Bend Mizell vs. Rico Suave Brogna Edgy DC Jan 06 2009 12:13 PM ANARCHY! seawolf17 Jan 06 2009 12:24 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":2pjtoq4y]="seawolf17":2pjtoq4y]="John Cougar Lunchbucket":2pjtoq4y]Steve Let it Beiser v. John Cangelosi in the Sky with Diamonds[/quote:2pjtoq4y] Steve Let It Bieser vs Ed Let's Lynch The Landlord[/quote:2pjtoq4y] seawolf: this matchup's for you --- Stairway to Heh -Vinegar Bend Mizell vs. Rico Suave Brogna[/quote:2pjtoq4y] YES!! batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2009 01:03 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 06 2009 01:09 PM If I remember correctly, Berman's Bermanisms were funny because they were long. He'd use long song titles, or sometimes even work well-known long lyric phrases into the player's name instead of the song title. So you'd get something like: Stairway to Heh Vince Coleman vs. Dennis And Good Ol' Boys Were Drinking Whiskey and Ribant batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2009 01:08 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":1siexn0h]If I remember correctly, Berman's Bermanisms were funny because they were long. He'd use long song titles, or sometimes even work well-known long lyric phrases into the player's name instead of the song title. So you'd get something like: Stairway to Heh Vince Coleman vs. Dennis And Gool Ol' Boys Were Drinking Whiskey and Ribant[/quote:1siexn0h] Or this: Dennis And Good Ol' Boys Were Drinking Whiskey and Ribant vs. Duffy This'll Be the Day That I Dyer Centerfield Jan 06 2009 01:19 PM Dae Sung Koo Koo Ka-Choo Mrs. Robin(son) Ventura batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2009 01:25 PM ="Centerfield":azzyite0]Dae Sung Koo Koo Ka-Choo Mrs. Robin(son) Ventura[/quote:azzyite0] That's the spirit. How about: Bill (Koo Koo Katchoo Mrs.) Robinson vs. Hideo Jesus Loves You More Than You Will Nomo (Whoa Whoa Whoa) batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2009 01:31 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":1h0qkwj4]="Centerfield":1h0qkwj4]Dae Sung Koo Koo Ka-Choo Mrs. Robin(son) Ventura[/quote:1h0qkwj4] That's the spirit. How about: Bill (Koo Koo Katchoo Mrs.) Robinson vs. Hideo Jesus Loves You More Than You Will Nomo (Whoa Whoa Whoa)[/quote:1h0qkwj4] Bill Joltin' Joe Has Left and Gone A-Wakefield gets the winner of the above matchup. G-Fafif Jan 06 2009 02:38 PM Bill Joltin' Joe Has Left and Gone A-Wakefield vs. John "You Know Your Love (Your Love Keeps Lifting Me) Keeps On Lifting (Love Keeps Lifting Me) Higher (Lifting Me) Higher And" Strohmayer. MFS62 Jan 06 2009 02:46 PM Bill Joltin' Joe Has Left and Gone A-Wakefield VS Chan Ho MacArthur Park Later G-Fafif Jan 06 2009 02:55 PM Bill Joltin' Joe Has Left and Gone A-Wakefield vs. It's Up To You New York, New Yorkis Perez batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2009 03:33 PM ="G-Fafif":2bdq7a8p]Bill Joltin' Joe Has Left and Gone A-Wakefield vs. It's Up To You New York, New Yorkis Perez[/quote:2bdq7a8p] Bill These Little Town Blues Are Melting Awaykfield vs. It's Up To You New York, New Yorkis Perez batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2009 05:23 PM Wayne When The Moon Is In the Seventh Housie vs. Jeff Let the Sunshine, Let the Sunshine, The Suh-uhn Shine Innis dgwphotography Jan 06 2009 05:45 PM Wayne when the moon is in the seventh housie vs. Carlos In Delgado Da Vita MFS62 Jan 06 2009 05:54 PM Wayne when the moon is in the seventh housie VS Tommy nobody ever loved as much as he, but me, I love you Moore. (from "Pajama Game") Later batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2009 06:00 PM ="MFS62":36g7dwi7]Wayne when the moon is in the seventh housie VS Tommy nobody ever loved as much as he, but me, I love you Moore. (from "Pajama Game")[/quote:36g7dwi7] Wayne When the Moon is in the Seventh Housie vs. Mike When the Moon Hits your Eyes Like a Big Piazza Pie Willets Point Jan 07 2009 09:06 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":13zmwl5q]If I remember correctly, Berman's Bermanisms were funny because they were long. [/quote:13zmwl5q] Berman was funny? batmagadanleadoff Jan 07 2009 09:11 PM ="Willets Point":26u7xluz]Berman was funny?[/quote:26u7xluz] Go and ask Leather. Frayed Knot Jan 08 2009 11:44 AM CB: "... and the starter was relieved by Aaron Heil-Hitler-Man" (he wouldn't dare) batmagadanleadoff Jan 15 2009 11:44 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 03 2009 02:41 PM ="Frayed Knot"]CB: "... and the starter was relieved by Aaron Heil-Hitler-Man" I had a strong feeling that your post was gonna kill this thread. batmagadanleadoff Mar 03 2009 10:24 AM ="Iubitul":qzy0y9q0]Wayne when the moon is in the seventh Housie vs. Carlos In Delgado Da Vita[/quote:qzy0y9q0] Carlos In Delgado Da Vida vs. Scott Workin' too hard can give you a heart attack a ka ka Kazmir Edgy DC Mar 03 2009 10:30 AM Carlos In Delgado Da Vida vs. Chuck Baby You Can Drive My Carr dgwphotography Mar 03 2009 12:50 PM Carlos In Delgado Da Vida vs. Hubie Babbling Brooks Edgy DC Mar 03 2009 01:25 PM Iubitul taking on the reigning champ Iubitul. Met Hunter Mar 03 2009 05:31 PM I will dethrone Carlos with a twofer Tuesday. Carlos In Delgado Da Vida vs. Tommie This is the Dawning of the Agee of Aquarius Tommie This is the Dawning of the Agee of Aquarius vs. Pat People are Strange LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 04 2009 07:09 PM Um... yeah. That's, like, against the rules. Carlos In Delgado De Vida vs. Endy-is Mama Cried Chavez Met Hunter Mar 04 2009 09:30 PM OK. Carlos In Delgado Da Vida vs. Dan Keep Your Eyes on the Road Your Hands Upon the Wheeler. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 04 2009 09:37 PM Carlos In Delgado De Vida versus Ed Bouchee Bouchee Ya Ya Da Da Edgy DC Mar 04 2009 09:47 PM Ed Bouchee Bouchee Ya Ya Da Da vs. Shawn Bows and Flows of Angel Hare LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 04 2009 10:32 PM Ed Bouchee Bouchee Ya Ya Da Da vs. The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down/Of the big lake they call Kaz Ishii Edgy DC Mar 08 2009 05:37 AM Ed Bouchee Bouchee Ya Ya Da Da vs. Ty I SAID, What's that on your HEAD?! A WIIIIIG!!-inton dgwphotography Mar 08 2009 05:44 AM Ed Bouchee Bouchee Ya Ya Da Da vs. Rick "see ya later" Aguilera batmagadanleadoff Mar 08 2009 08:59 AM Iubi's really good at this. Met Hunter Mar 08 2009 05:27 PM Rick See Ya Later Aguilera vs. Rich Sweet Chiles of Mine dgwphotography Mar 08 2009 06:22 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":1jca620l]Iubi's really good at this.[/quote:1jca620l] I just remember a lot of the old Bermanisms. some of his originals were classics... LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 08 2009 06:38 PM Rich "Sweet" Chiles "of Mine" vs. Raul "Blame it on the" Casanova batmagadanleadoff Mar 08 2009 08:37 PM ="Iubitul":3nzo1sfn]="batmagadanleadoff":3nzo1sfn]Iubi's really good at this.[/quote:3nzo1sfn] I just remember a lot of the old Bermanisms. some of his originals were classics...[/quote:3nzo1sfn] You mean youve been plagiarizing from the man? Say it ain't so, Iubi! LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 16 2009 09:11 PM REBOOT: Rich "Sweet" Chiles "of Mine" versus J. J. Putz "the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the hose again"

It's not about being right, it's about having inside information and being adamant about it.

Sign 'em all! Seven man rotation!

Yes, yes, and more yes. Much rather him than Lowe.

Bong! Holy cow! Long time no post! Hope to see you around more. ="Spacemans Bong":2pfqsqbh]I don't really know why the Mets do this stuff.[/quote:2pfqsqbh] That, however, would be to help support Fred's Bernie Madoff habit. Spacemans Bong Dec 31 2008 10:22 PM I was reading about some Mets stuff, thought of this place, then I thought "Why did I stop posting here?". Plus someone's gotta keep the NY Giants torch lit 'round here.. Edgy DC Jan 02 2009 07:43 AM G-FaFiF's helping on Giant duty, too, but welcome back. Let's be honest, though, the Mets have futzed around with this stuff before Wilpon came on board and they're as likely to futz around after he's gone. Spacemans Bong Jan 05 2009 01:54 PM ="Edgy DC":gx7itd7t]G-FaFiF's helping on Giant duty, too, but welcome back. Let's be honest, though, the Mets have futzed around with this stuff before Wilpon came on board and they're as likely to futz around after he's gone.[/quote:gx7itd7t] True, but in the end between Wilpon, Doubleday (What's baseball?), and M. Don Grant, that's not exactly the Tinker and Evers to Chance of baseball ownership. G-Fafif Jan 05 2009 01:57 PM ="Spacemans Bong":8ok7rcmx]="Edgy DC":8ok7rcmx]G-FaFiF's helping on Giant duty, too, but welcome back. Let's be honest, though, the Mets have futzed around with this stuff before Wilpon came on board and they're as likely to futz around after he's gone.[/quote:8ok7rcmx] True, but in the end between Wilpon, Doubleday (What's baseball?), and M. Don Grant, that's not exactly the Tinker and Evers to Chance of baseball ownership.[/quote:8ok7rcmx] Your New York Mets Management Team: Tinkers to Evers to Futz The more NYG torchbearing, the better.

Cotter's out?!? That's too bad. I liked him. I wonder if he got a better gig.

="Edgy DC":25bor5gt]The Yankees really have to shore things up at second.[/quote:25bor5gt] Someone send Hank Steinbrenner a 2005 baseball card of Luis Castillo, then have Omar call him and offer him Castillo for Nady and Cano. Frayed Knot Dec 26 2008 10:54 AM And the last of the teams getting screwed by the Yanx signing Teixeira winds up being Milwaukee, plus, to a lesser extent, Toronto. With Sabathia, Burnett, & Teixeira all being Type-A FAs, obviously only one team can get the Yanx 1st round pick (mid-20s somewhere) in next June's draft. That team turns out to be the Angels based on Teixeira being the top-rated of all those FAs. Sabathia ranks next so the Brews get the Yanx 2nd rounder, while Toronto gets their 3rd round choice (probably up above pick #100) as compensation for losing Burnett. All three teams also get supplemental picks (in the same order I believe) after the end of the first round. So those Brew fans who consoled themselves by figuring they'd get a top-25 pick and a top-40 out of losing big CC wind up with one in the mid-60s or so to go along with the top-40. Oh well. Edgy DC Dec 26 2008 11:07 AM It would be maybe more coolio if maybe the second team who lost a type A to Team Y could get a pick right after the first team. Team Y, for their part, would sacrifice their first round pick for 2009 after signing the first, their first-round pick for 20010 after signing the second, etc. If Team Y is the Yankees, they'd be out first rounders up to 2051 by now, which would be such an abstraction to them, they'd care little, but they care little now anyhow, and at least the team losing their guy to the Yankees would get a prompt and fair (or more close to the intended fairness) compensation. The first year or two under this policy would lead to a bloated round one, but that would even out in subsequent years. metirish Dec 26 2008 11:24 AM Cashman is all about the farm , especially since he gained full control from the Tampa Rowdies a few years back.

Would you trade our four for their four, right now, for 2009? I wouldn't.

Reyes SS Beltran CF Wright 3B Delgado 1B Manny LF Church RF Schneider/Castro C Castillo 2B I guess Manny would bat fourth, but fifth allows you to split the lefties. You could also go Reyes Church Beltran Manny Delgado Wright Catcher Castillo No, that doesn't work. Reyes Beltran Wright Manny Delgado Right-Handed Hitting Catcher TBD Church Castillo Better. I don't know. Just make it happen, Omar.

Make the third year an option; I don't care. Make it happen. This team needs a big, thumping bat in the worst way, and Manny's that guy.

I thought BtF2 was someone's nym.

="John Cougar Lunchbucket"] I just wanted to make sure she was at the top of page 3 of the thread also.

Three years, $75M. MAKE IT HAPPEN, OMAR.

Greg Vaughn was an OF, not a 1B, but same deal. He became worthless defensively. I remember my nephew -- now 12 -- being confused as a kid and calling them both "Gregmo Vaughn."

Not necessarily -- this was Giambi/Mussina/Pavano money. They pulled a lot off the books this off-season, so they had money to play with.