iramets wrote: And as little relevant Edgy thinks Wins and Losses are, I still insist that if I told you Glavine's W-L record as a Met in advance, none of you (maybe not even Edgy) would have agreed to the signing. To lesser degree with Pedro, you were all nervous about commiting the kind of money Glavine got even when you thought his total wins over the contract would be much, much greater than it turned out to be. It's just in retrospect that you're okay with Glavine's generally awful career as a Met starter, and consider his signing to have been a savvy move. To me, Glavine's a disastrous Met, in a league of his own--well, maybe in the same league as Alomar and Vaughan and Matsui, players who I would have much rather seen the team avoid and instead use the grotesque sums of money acquiring and developing homegrown talent, who on balance would have given you performances on the field that were just as good as the big names gave you. Signing them is just CYA--when they fuck up big time, GMs can just throw up their hands and say "Who knew? Did you see the resume he had?" The answer to "Who knew?" is of course "It's your job to know, you mealy-mouthed shithead. Get a job." if you had told me only glavine's 57-54 w-l in advance, i could draw from it that glavine has allowed about the same amount of runs to be scored against him as for him. what this might mean is that the mets offense has been terrible, while glavine has been terrific. of course, it could also mean that glavine has been terrific, but the offense terrible. or it could mean that both have been, on the whole, middling. altogether, you could say that, regardless of the above three scenarios, that at the time, the mets needed either a better pitcher or a better offense, or both. and therefore that there were better places to put their investment than tom glavine. also, that glavine's been relatively healthy and that at the very least, they haven't been paying the guy to stay at home. and who among us is calling the glavine signing retroactively savvy?