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Is this thread limited to bad baseball reporting, or can I mention a really bad basketball article by a "well known" writer?I don't want to hijack the thread away from baseball, so please let me know.Later

The major thing is that Willie had Beltran batting SECOND in the lineup. Wright was in the #4 hole. Maybe he is trainable. Later

But, do you believe in magic? (Cue the song) Later

I hope this isn't a repetitive redundancy. Faster than a speeding bullet/ slower than a speeding bat shard Later

Yancy Street Gang wrote: They've outsourced their protection to some forum in Dubai. ding ding ding we have a winner for today! Mr. Gang (I've been waiting for a chance to say that), please report to the front desk to pick up your prize. Later

Speaking of Cher, a little of something from two springs ago. Enjoy, Later ******************************************************************************* Believe (Another glove, Another glove Another glove) (Another glove, Another glove Another glove) (Another glove, Another glove Another glove) No matter how hard you try Your throwing just makes us cry And Howe can�t still break through It seems that there's no talking to you It's so sad Mets fans are heaving Watch him once and you�ll believe it But after all is said and done He�ll have to move to base number one, oh Chorus: Do you believe that Mike has to change his glove? I can feel something inside me say He really can�t catch for us one more day, no Do you believe that Mike has to change his glove? I can feel something inside me say His arm isn�t nearly strong enough, no What is Howe supposed to do Sit around and wait for you? Well he can't do that He asked, there's no turning back We know its time to move on Our love for you�s still strong And you�ve had some time to think it through Maybe first base will be good for you, oh (chorus) Do you believe that Mike has to change his glove? I can feel something inside me say He really can�t catch for us one more day, no Do you believe that Mike has to change his glove? I can feel something inside me say His arm isn�t nearly strong enough, no Well I know that he�ll get through this 'Cause we know his bat�s still strong But you can�t catch anymore No, you can�t catch anymore (chorus)(repeat) Do you believe that Mike has to change his glove? I can feel something inside me say He really can�t catch for us one more day, no Do you believe that Mike has to change his glove? I can feel something inside me say His arm isn�t nearly strong enough, no

Bret, there's a thread on it,something like "Boonerang" Check down the page. Later

Oops, had weird computer stuff happen. Later

OK, I'll play Black/White Leadoff/ Cleanup Switch hitter/ fill in your own line here Later

duan wrote: my big fear is Alfonso Soriano. and that we give up Diaz, Someone & Someone. (Bannister & prob not milledge) Mine, too. Later

Johnny Dickshot wrote: I was into Mookie. Who wasn't into Mookie? When he first came up, I wasn't really into Mookie. (ducking) I didn't think he had the arm to be a great center fielder. I honestly thought he would turn into a decent left fielder, lacking the power for that position, but bringng speed to the table. But he grew on me, I began to appreciate the joy of playing that he exhibited with every move. And my appreciation for him increased when I began to read about him as the person, not just the ballplayer, he was (is) and the contributions he made to the organization. He never really became my favorite Met, but he was close. Later

There have been a series of shots and counter-shots since Frank Thomas left the team. Here's some of the history of that mess from prospectus: ] "Kenny left me one message in all this, and that's the day he signed Paul Konerko. He left it on the voice mail, said, 'I know you've seen we signed Konerko, and I can help you try to get signed somewhere else.' Those were the words that came to me over my cell phone. You think I'm going to call back on some [stuff] like that?" --former White Sox DH Frank Thomas, on how he was treated leaving Chicago (Daily Southtown) "I've got a lot of respect for Jerry Reinsdorf, I do. But I really thought, the relationship we had over the last 16 years, he would have picked up the phone to say, 'Big guy, we're moving forward. We're going somewhere different. We don't know your situation or what's going to happen.' I can live with that, I really can. But treating me like some passing-by player, I've got no respect for that." --Thomas "Jerry has done everything over the course of 16 years to protect that man, to make accommodations for him, concessions for him. He loaned him money at times when he needed money. And for him to forget that, for him to turn his back on all that, it's a crying shame." --White Sox GM Kenny Williams, on Thomas' remarks about Jerry Reinsdorf (Chicago Sun-Times) "Believe me, it's not easy to deal with an idiot. And this man over the course of the years has tried my patience and tried and tried it. If he was any kind of a man, he would quit talking about things in the paper and return a phone call or come knock on someone's door. If I had the kind of problems evidently he had with me, I would go knock on his [bleeping] door." --Williams, on Thomas "And we don't miss him, by the way. If you go out there and ask any one of my players or staff members, we don't miss him. We don't miss the attitude. We don't miss the bitching and the whining. We don't miss it. Good riddance. See you later." --Williams "I gave him the trophy [at the parade] out of respect so he could address his fans and address the crowd. We gave him the first pitch during the playoffs, and again, that was another acknowledgment. How many times do you have to kiss somebody's [butt]? He better stay out of our business. He better stay out of White Sox business." --Williams "He's brought us to this point. So, OK, you want to play this game? You've got it. He's the Oakland A's problem right now. He needs to be concerned about Oakland. And I don't even know why the hell I'm talking about a guy--play two or three games in a row first, before you start popping off." --Williams

Its a shame that Minnie didn't get in. His problem as I see it is that he spent so much time in the majors that he was a "tweener" - not enough time in the Negro Leagues and not good enough stats to be in the regular Hall. Too bad. Later

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Finally, JMHO, this was a dumb topic just begging to go toxic to start with, and pretty belonged in the redlight forum about 15 minutes after it went up. When I posted it, I didn't expect the conflagration it became. I expected responses more like the vaild comment about Rey Ordonez. I had thought of him when starting the thread and was curious is anyone else had some examples. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Gary Carter and his almost legendary quest for self-promoting camera time. Sorry if this was hijacked. You know what they say about good intentions..... Later

metirish wrote: ]What the hell kind of name is Koby? All his kids names start with a K.... Sort of like Vern Law's family, whose first names all began with V. Would you rather he named them all George Foreman? Hey, we have a Cooby. What's wrong with Koby? Later

from s-o-m stratosphere Strat-O-Matic creator Hal Richman is among the nominees for election to the Baseball Reliquary’s Shrine of the Eternals, an annual election that honors, in the words of the organization, “individuals – from the obscure to the well known – who have altered the baseball world in ways that supersede statistics.” Twenty-one honorees have been inducted over the past seven years and three more will be chosen this year. Membership in the Baseball Reliquary – and the voting rights that come with it – is open to the public. To be eligible to vote, you must pay $25 annual membership dues by March 31. Election packets, containing ballots and biographical profiles of all candidates, will be mailed to Baseball Reliquary members on April 1. Strat-O-Matic fans could make a difference in this voting. Reliquary Executive Director Terry Cannon said that 184 ballots were cast last year, with a bit more than 200 expected this time. The Shrine of the Eternals already includes Baseball Hall of Fame inductees Roberto Clemente, Jackie Robinson, Satchel Paige and Bill Veeck, Jr. It also includes such baseball “characters” as Jim Bouton, Mark Fidrych, Bill “Spaceman” Lee and Jimmy Piersall. And such non-players as union leader Marvin Miller, umpire Pam Postema, long-time Southern California coach Rod Dedeaux and former Daily Worker sports editor Lester Rodney. This year, Richman is one of 50 nominees who include Yogi Berra, Dizzy Dean, Ryne Duren, Tug McGraw, Rusty Staub and Casey Stengel and such non-players as Negro Leagues team owner Effa Manley, photographer Charles M. Conlon, announcer Ernie Harwell and writer Bill James. (See the full list of nominees below). Some of these nominees have been on the Reliquary’s ballots all eight years. Richman is one of 12 first-year nominees. Here is the ballot biography for Richman: HAL RICHMAN – as a precocious teen, Richman devised a baseball card game that would evolve by the early 1960s into Strat-O-Matic Baseball, a tabletop baseball simulation that swiftly captured the hearts and imaginations of baseball enthusiasts everywhere, from little leaguers to big leaguers and beyond, including the likes of pro players Keith Hernandez, Len Dykstra, Ken Singleton, announcer Jon Miller, and thousands of more adherents, each attracted to the game’s playability, superior statistics, and devotion to Richman as a square-shooter. The Baseball Reliquary describes itself as “a Southern California-based organization dedicated to fostering an appreciation of American art and culture through the context of baseball history.” For additional information on the Shrine of the Eternals, contact Terry Cannon, Executive Director of the Baseball Reliquary, at P.O. Box 1850, Monrovia, CA 91017; by phone at (626) 791-7647; or by e-mail at terymar@earthlink.net.

Ho hum. Early Wynn did the same thing to his kid abut 50+ years ago, after the kid got a hit off him in BP at old Comiskey Park. Considering what a congenital asshole Roger is, and the fact his kid plays ball, this was just a matter of time. Later

Frayed Knot wrote: Apparently his "position problems" are with Venezuela not with the Orioles. The national team wants him to play CF in the WBC and he's reluctant to switch there only to switch back once it's over. And I guess that he's in a contract year only exacebates his unease. Didn't Bobby V say that he felt Mora had the potential to be one of the best defensive centerfielders around? It would only add to his value if he could show some of that ability. Later

I heard this morning that Melvin Mora will not play in the World Tourney because he will be staying with the O's to "resolve position and contract" problems. Hmmm. I wonder if he can plan second base. Later

Bret Sabermetric wrote: As to past Mets, it doesn't matter anymore. Get over it. Hey! Some healthy vitriol is a way to wake everyone up on a Monday morning. Later

I heard a sound byte on ESPN radio this morning in which ChiSox GM Ken Williams called ex-Sock Frank Thomas "selfish and stupid". Are there any current Mets you would describe that way? Any past ones? Later

Keppinger sent back to New York for medical tests. http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060226&content_id=1323649&vkey=spt2006news&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym At least it isn't the knee that was injured last year. Later

I hope that Prentice Redman makes the Cards, and that he bumps Met-killer So Taguchi out of the righthanded hitting reserve outfielder spot. Later

Bret Sabermetric wrote: I just broke out and escaped to NYC where I can have the 15 degree weather I so richly deserve. Last picture we saw, you were nekked. Hope you didn't have a strong tail wind. Later

Bret Sabermetric wrote: So forgive me if I don't feel squelched yet. Wasn't trying to squelch you. I titled the thread that way because of all the discussion we had about that post. (And I honestly forgot who had started it) Just trying for a "grabber" title. No offense intended. EDIT: Who rescued you? Later