83 got me thinking: ]why only post all-star? if its because you believe the MVP is the guy who helped histeam down the stretch then you should eliminate players on bad teams and teams that coasted. A few years ago(2? 3?), when The Yankees jumped out to a huge lead early in the season, Sheffield and Giambi were hurt, and many of the other regulars got off to slow starts. But Hidecki Matsui carried the team on his back until the others got better/ returned. Toward the end of the season, he wore down (and still finished with very good stats) and Sheffield got hot to overtake Matsui in overall numbers. But the team coasted, and its big lead even declined by year's end. Come voting time, the voters picked Sheffield over Matsui, but if he hadn't done what he did and when he did it, the Yanks might not have won their division. And if you had watched that team throughout the entire season, there should have been no doubt as to which player was more valuable to the overall success of the team. Just saying that to me, sometimes the when is the most important thing to be considered. Later