Frayed Knot wrote: Hits don't worry me if you are striking people out and not walking people, the babip will even out. The guys with all te walks worry m e, but I would rather see if they can turn it around than keep throwing an older guy who I feel won't out there. Maybe, especially since Walters (the only guy where I mentioned hits) isn't striking guys out either (10 in 17 innings). The only good sign is that there are only 2 HRs among those hits. But, still, 2.25 base runners per/inning is a recipe for disaster no matter how you slice it and there'd have to be a shitload of regression to the mean before that line begins to even get close to smelling good. Ryne Duren was a very effective relief pitcher for the MFYs. He was known for three things: A good fastball. (over 9k per IP) Thick glasses. A famous lack of control (6 BB per IP) He would add to the aura by throwing a warmup pitch to the backstop when he came into a game. Then, he would peer through his glasses, adjusting them frequently. Scared the shit out of the hitters. Not many of them dug in against him. Who knows? Black could be one of those guys. Or, he could be a pitcher who falls behind, has to come in with a fat strike and BAM! We'll see, Later