Edgy MD wrote: I think we have 28 ballots with Bagwell and Vladwell each named on 27. OK, I'll 'fess up. I'm a vter who didn't vote for Raines. Yes, he was a good player for an extended period of time. But if you had awakened me in the middle of the night at any time during his career and asked me to name the top 5 players in the game, I don't think I would have named him. Yes. he complied some outstanding numbers, but he just didn't hit me as being an all- time great while he was playing. Like Dennis Miller said, "Its just my opinion and, I may be wrong". Later