This is a discussion for another day perhaps but what knocks me out is how the org has failed so much at developing reliable bullpen guys. I mean, Fammy and Lugo I guess count as homegrown relievers who've been good, Gsellie and Robles okay, but you'd figure with all the opportunity they wound up getting at least 1 or more of the Bashlors, Rhameses, Sewalds, Smiths, Bautistas, Callahans, Goeddels, Nogoseks, Petersons, Hanholds, Gagnons, Oswalts etc etc etc would rise to the occasion and outperform. Who was the last org releiver to pleasantly surprise? Smoker, maybe? Do relievers overperform expectations less often than other groups of players?