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Edgy DC wrote: John Franco, Braden Looper and Billy Wagner gotten just as much flack as did Armando Benitez and currently Francisco Rodriguez, though the latter two do have some off the field issues that don't help their "it's all in the fans' heads" cause when it comes to ripping them. You don't believe that for a minute. Really now. I'll give you people were preconditioned to dislike Rodriguez and Benitez based on incidents and general behavior before becoming Mets (but then again I'm sure some of that caused people around here to be preconditioned to like them). But I'd wager that Franco is just as hated as Benitez was, but the fact that it has been so long since he was a regular closer, and the fact that the Mets brought him back to the fold has changed the narrative to him being a fan-favorite. Edgy DC wrote: And I think it's a bit unfair to pull out a comment out of context (wow, someone being snarky on the internet, I for one am shocked...and stunned) to prove that anyone that dares suggest that the way Omar shaped his roster was racially motivated in anyway is in fact a racist him or herself. What comment did I pull out? I didn't aver that anybody is explictly a racist. But there are issues with double standards all around this team and this fanbase and they need to be addressed. Fine, you created a comment that you'd be sure would be plenty available in Raul Chavez signs with the Mets articles. I can buy that there are issues of double standards when it comes to certain issues within the fanbase, but at the same time you are picking on blind attempts at being funny on comment sections of articles as opposed to debates in message forums. Edgy DC wrote: The idea that the Mets were guilty of shaping the roster in that way does go back to comments and actions Omar himself had made early in his tenure. So it isn't a stretch to see someone make a snarky "gee I thought Omar was gone" retort on an article on the Mets signing a Latino ballplayer. What do you mean by "it isn't a stretch"? I don't think it's a stretch. I think it's tired, derogatory, hurtful, counterproductive, ignorant, petty, and embarassing. And those comments are all over the place. The Mets aren't "guilty" of anything in building their roster, except perhaps for not building it as well as they might have. So, Omar wasn't a racist, but anyone who suggests that the way he built the roster over the years is? Where there is smoke, there tends to be fire. Someone isn't going to make a snarky blind comment unless there was something to the insinuation in the first place.

Edgy DC wrote: Yeah, but the fans' response is still there years later, Whether it's us or not, it's still a story (which Tracksuit does a terrible job with, I think). Google "Mets sign Raul Chavez" and it's better than even money one of the first responses below the story will be something along the lines of "o great, another latino! I thou Omar was GONE!" It's just there and needs to be discussed. My experience suggests that nine times out of ten, if a player has labels of moral failure like "lazy," "jaking," "baby," "only cares about the money," "million-dollar arm/ten-cent head," we're talking about a non-white or foreign-born guy. At the same time though Tom Glavine is not exactly held in any amount of regard by the majority of the fanbase. And if you want to say "well, he was a member of the 1990s Braves dynasty" sure, but Steve Trachsel and Aaron Heilman are also lumped in as major sources of fan ire in recent years. John Franco, Braden Looper and Billy Wagner gotten just as much flack as did Armando Benitez and currently Francisco Rodriguez, though the latter two do have some off the field issues that don't help their "it's all in the fans' heads" cause when it comes to ripping them. Just as much as Martino is cherry picking the current whipping boy, you can easily cherry pick non-minority Mets that have been the scourges of the fanbase in recent years. And I think it's a bit unfair to pull out a comment out of context (wow, someone being snarky on the internet, I for one am shocked...and stunned) to prove that anyone that dares suggest that the way Omar shaped his roster was racially motivated in anyway is in fact a racist him or herself. The idea that the Mets were guilty of shaping the roster in that way does go back to comments and actions Omar himself had made early in his tenure. So it isn't a stretch to see someone make a snarky "gee I thought Omar was gone" retort on an article on the Mets signing a Latino ballplayer.

smg58 wrote: I just took a look at the NL and AL ROY lists, and it's impressive how many people I don't remember at all, especially from the AL side. Bob Hamelin? Marty Cordova? There was a sports talk show host here in NYC that constantly berrated the Heisman Trophy every year due to the lack of NFL success the vast majority of winners went on to have. Putting aside the idiocy of ripping an award for the best player of the year because it isn't given to the best pro prospect of the year, that really can be applied towards the baseball ROY list of winners as well. Of course this list is not taking into account players not yet on ballots, still awaiting election or still active but there have been only 14 HOFers to win a ROY award.

Mike Vail

Gwreck wrote: The impression that I get is that Horwitz is very well thought of in his job of media relations -- dealing with the beat writers, the local and national press -- in the context of baseball issues. I'd second that. Jay has run PR for MLB events like ASGs and World Series.

I'm surprised the Mets haven't put their promotions and giveaway schedule yet. I wonder when it goes up.

Looks like a sexual assault from that angle. [racial rabblerousing]Man, if a black guy like Gant pulled that shit on a white guy like Hrbek, there'd be no bottom to the historical hole of infamy he would be consigned to.[/racial rabblerousing] I do have an issue with color here: The bill of Gant's cap should be red, not navy. That play drove me crazy when it happened. Big bandwagon Braves fan that September and October. DAMN IT GREG! SEE WHAT HAPPENED BECAUSE OF IT! SEE WHAT HAPPENED! THE BLOOD OF THE NEXT DECADE AND A HALF IS ON ALL 1991 BANDWAGON BRAVES FANS' HANDS!

I'll be there.

TONS of Spider-Man news since the last time this thread was updated. -The reboot looks like is officially going to be called Amazing Spider-Man Can we have that cut from the 1969 MLB WS film with everyone saying "Amazin'" including Casey repeating it over and over spliced into the film somehow? -Oh and the suit looks like either one of those Spider-Man-esque things winter Olympic athletes have been trotting out or a rather poor cos-play attempt

Keith Hernandez

I doubt it would. Unless there are more people who hear the name Kranepool and want to put a C instead of the K.

Either I'm way too big of a Beatle fan, or there was a Magical Mystery Tour vibe going on in this flick.

Willets Point wrote: Tuesday is "I love my wife day." If you love your wife, copy this message and put it on your major league baseball stadium scoreboard. Only 3% of major league baseball stadium scoreboards will post this message. Won't you? Nice FB parody.

Found this gem on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIq7sCc8i3U

Geez, way to turn that around Ben! I agree it is troubling, but the shooter was in league with the likes that would shoot an entertainer because of a mental unbalance and a need to be "famous" himself. I'd think those types don't need the constant yapping on internet communities and sports radio call in chatter to fuel their desire to do whatever it is they think they "have to do." I mean He Who Shall Not Be Named didn't need some snarky Twitter feed or some internet fourm to feed into his need to kill John Lennon.

Come to think of it, can we toss Ollie from a tall building? Or just for the symbolisim of it, Oliver Perez baseball cards? That could be fun!

Kong76 wrote: Which meeting is it we toss Jeets out of a large building? That was fun last year, never saw anyone bounce like that. I'm all for throwing a certain 'Pooler who hasn't posted in a while from the South West out a large building to see if he can bounce!

Valadius wrote: Won't be as good as Green Lantern. Captain America should make up for it though. I have strong reservations about Green Lantern. 1) The suit looks bad. Yes it is ring-energy based, but on Ryan Reynolds, it looks bad. 2) From everything I've seen in that trailer, everything is pointing towards this "Green Lantern" being Hal Jordan in name, setting and origin only. Personality wise, Reynolds seems very Kyle Rayner like. Not a bad thing, but if this is the Hal Jordan story, do Hal Jordan. Don't completely redo the character to make him fit the actor's talents.

Frayed Knot wrote: The dialogue in 'Sports Night' was frequently too cute by half but seeing as how both that one and 'Studio 60' were so short lived and that I never watched 'West Wing' I guess I'm still safe from OD'ing on Sorkin-itis. I should amend that a bit. Sorkin style dialogue isn't bad within the context of fiction, but tough to take when being used in context of even being loosely based on real events.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Edgy DC wrote: I'll be up for the Screaming Jayhawkings concert the previous weekend. I don't know that I can swing that two weeks in a row. Well, not 4 nothing but the Official Winter Meetings are March 13 at Strawberry's. This double event thread is bound to confuse. For no apparent reason other than it just came to mind... Let me take you down cause I'm going to Strawberry's Bar and Grill Cranepool Forum deal On March 13 so come on out... (ducks rotten vegetables)

Reyes!?

I'm down for it.

Frayed Knot wrote: I agree that the snappy dialogue was especially good. I figure that was Sorkin's doing. I've seen far too many Sports Night, West Wing and Studio 60 episodes to the point where I'm finding that form of dialogue a bit off putting in the "who the hell talks like that in real life unless you were Sorkin or Tarantino?"

seawolf17 wrote: Something tells me that Johnny "knows a guy" who's going to get a plaque for him in there anyway. Something tells me Franco may be in the next Class for the Mets HOF.

Benjamin Grimm wrote: And Michigan, my guess is that it was the end of scheduled doubleheaders that killed Banner Day. Though I wouldn't be surprised if the new WFAN-inspired mentality caused banners to be more angst-ridden and less optimistic, which would have spoiled a lot of the fun. Probably best that they did when they did now that I think of it. I don't think I want to know what Internet Communities inspired angst ridden banners could be like!