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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Yeah, those guys jumped the shark 25 years ago. Franchise not the same since Henson died, Oz became a big shot director, and the whole kit plus kaboodle got sold to The Mouse of Evil. Either that, or we've just gotten older and the post Henson crap just doesn't appeal to adults as the Henson era stuff did. Even on the nostalgic level.

Ceetar wrote: It would've been prudent to sign him off _last year_ when he was still one of the top SS in the league. Now he's one of the top _players_ in the game. If the tail end of his contract is like 2010, we'll be asking where to put the statue. You think he still will be one of the top players in the game next year when his stats go back, drastically, to his norm and he returns to his often injured ways? Quite frankly, I'm starting to think we are guilty of the same things that happened to Jeter over the years. Overhyping simply because the player is just plain good and plays in New York. Hell, I've talked with several MFY fans and they wouldn't want him, even over the 2011 version of Jeter. For the same reasons I've mentioned; often injured, head case, playing over his head because its a contract year, etc. Also, the "lack of maturity" stuff is merely fun-loving. Head in the game? He gets picked off first less than Henderson did. It's a drawback of being an aggressive player. That's what they said about Manny. Before he started shoving senior citizens around, quiting on his team to force a trade, and oh yeah, failing a SECOND PED test. Not saying Reyes is a Manny-in-waiting, but...ah hell, look at comments made about Roger McDowell in the thread about his incident in SF earlier this year. A "fun loving attitude" on the surface could be the sign of something darker underneath a person. Especially when you start getting into your mid-late 20s and such. Sure, that's the definition of cherry picking right there, but, I don't know, I'd rather Reyes be someonelse's headache at this point. Especially when, as I mentioned, he played worse when asked to tone it down a bit and sulked in the Willie Randolph Houston situation.

Edgy DC wrote: Steve pushing the Yankee agenda. What is it about Jose Reyes that is so offensive? That he hasn't always head in the game? Citing two- and three-year-old incidents. Neither did Babe Ruth. That's fair, but it also makes it more advantagous to trade him now and makes you wonder if this is the best that he'll ever be, and that this is a fluke spike based on it being a contract year.

Gwreck wrote: Steve, you're wrong. 2. The idea that Retes is playing the best he's ever played *because* it's a contract year. Prove me wrong, look at the stats this year as compared to the other years where he's been healthy for an entire season. I just had it done to me today by someone. There is NO WAY this is the norm for Jose Reyes. So the bottom line is, he is a contract year player. And yeah, I agree Jeter is a vastly overated player thanks to the NYC market overhype, but at the same time how was Reyes ever considered a more consistant player?

Ceetar wrote: They were fine with the sign on SNY. Or maybe it just took them that long to figure out the legal twist to not having ".com" on your sign. Or it took them that long to realize that it was a merchandise site, and not someone pimping out his blog or fan community outlet. FWIW, I'm starting to think maybe this line of thinking is a bit counter productive in terms of starting fresh. Not to go back into the whole "cahhaw" (TM The Sports Pope Francesa) debate. But, the guy has been very often injured. And yeah the Mets medical staff can share the blame, but still. He is a bit of a headcase and has always shown signs of lack of maturity, I mean the Willie Randolph situation in Houston is exhibit A, to say nothing about his silly dances and everything. And yes, there are players and actions that are worse, but it does say a lot for someone when they somehow play BETTER when allowed to do clownish things and not so well when trying to tone it down. And finally the guy is clearly playing the best he's ever been because of the contract year. At his age, you have to figure he'll go back to his normal .280 self. And quite frankly, I think we've seen the best Reyes will ever be and it will be all downhill from this point forward. Call me by my nickname here all you want, but at this rate, everyone here is kidding themselves thinking at any point of their careers, even in 2011, that Reyes is better than Jeter. So, let's trade him when his value is clearly at his highest that it will ever be. Quite frankly, I'd like to see the Mets be on the opposite side of an Jim Fregosi deal, where the Mets fleece the hell out of a team. I don't think the Mets have had such a lopsided deal since Cone for Hearn.

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RMPL... Been one of those days *face palm*

To be fair Greg, I'm more troubled by Vince Coleman's attitude towards Jackie Robinson, than Justin Turner knowing a Met fan favorite who otherwise, except for Nawlins area where he is a broadcaster, in an obscure player from the 1960s who made a pretty sweet play in a World Series once. I mean sure I'd be concerned if Turner was from this area, but I'm sure he'd know more from Mike Piazza, LA Dodger than Mike Piazza, NY Met.

Yeah, I see that going as well as the Get Manny rallies. Not in terms of end of the day results, but in terms of "gee, look at those attention whores, lets get them on video so we can laugh at them!" One of those Get Manny creeps even interrupted the Shea Goodbye attention seeker party for no real apparent reason that offseason.

Edgy DC wrote: Didn't make much sense to me. I don't know what happens to me, but a lot of times in sci-fi/fantasy, we get to the climax, and I have no idea what's going on. I mean I know who the good guy and the bad guy are but I don't understand what they're doing and why. I'm gonig to make a great old man. -- Huh? Wha'? -- Quiet, grandpa! Sounds like that bit Seinfeld did on his show about people always asking questions while watching movies "(in a hushed tone) What? Why did they kill him, I thought he was with them? OH, he WAS'NT with them. Oh, so it's good that they killed him."

seawolf17 wrote: soupcan wrote: Rockin' Doc wrote: I just have a bad feeling that the Mets are going to botch this by either trading Reyes to a contender before the deadline or letting him get to free agency and then losing him. No doubt in my mind that one of these is going to happen and I'm sick over it. I think we all are, and that's why I'm so conflicted about the whole thing. It's in my head that the columnists are writing their "let's trade Reyes" posts just so it seems like public perception wants him traded "for the good of the team," so then they can write more columns about how awful the Mets are for trading away all their homegrown players. You know what? EFF YOU, columnists. Well, if they do another Ryan trade, sure. But if they end up pulling out a Hershel Walker trade, then I'm sure what the Mets get in return will counter balance whatever career Reyes has in another uniform.

Frayed Knot wrote: Well of course it's not the columnists' job to root for warm fuzzy stories about Reyes & Wright growing old with the Mets. They need to consider - as does the team - whether signing one or both (Reyes now because the contract is up) truly is the right move for the team and not just the public relations one. My only problem comes from those who act as if the outcome of the season (bad) has already been cast in stone as has the payroll levels for next year and beyond making the solution both obvious and predetermined and the only question remains how and when he'll be gone, not if. It's not that simple even if that's what grabs the most headlines. Don't forget the fact that with the Mets financial situation, is resigning Reyes even possible this offseason?

I took it that the bit at the end is foreshadowing July's Captain America as the object in question will be a major part of that film.

Ceetar wrote: Honestly, it's going to take something stupid happening for them to fix the silly way this is handled..like Brad Emaus making it for the Mets. Now here's something that does piss me off. Wasn't Reyes not on the ballot last year due to not being ready to go Opening Day? Chase Utley is on the ballot.. edit: maybe I'm hallucinating? Mike Schmidt elected as NL starter at 3B in 1989 despite playing 42 games and retiring in early May. Granted Mike Schmidt IS MIKE SCHMIDT, and it was probably more a "thanks for all the memories through the years" but still, it was rather silly.

Anyone see his tweet after the move yesterday? Reminding followers that Castillo was still the better "option" at 2nd. This despite the fact that no one has picked him up since being released by Philly. Very hacky, especially the dumping on moves just for the sake of dumping on the Mets mentality.

Keeping with Greg's theme of Metly institutions that no longer are in operation, and my theme of Metly institutions that left the proprietor's names off of them: Kranepool & Swoboda's The Dugout Restaurant & Cocktail Lounge 1000 Broadway Amityville, Long Island MetsGuyInMichigan had a nice writeup not too long ago including the fact that there is a KFC where The Dugout stood now, can't come up with the link at the moment. and The Outfielder's Lounge, run by Tommie Agee and Cleon Jones on Astoria Blvd near Shea. Don't seem to see too much about it, or photos online for it at this time.

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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Also, "Hungry Eyes" was a surprisingly big hit. Shows you how different my musical taste is than those here. I see "Hungry Eyes" I think Merle Haggard and classic country music, not Eric Carmen and 1980 pop ballads.

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Hmmm, maybe someone should check this book out as a running thing as well 162-0: Imagine a Mets Perfect Season Seeing where Greg goes and where this book goes might be interesting to track.

The Second Spitter wrote: Here's a recap of the previous ones: "Street Spanish" "skill sets" "fix in ten minutes" "clubhouse lawyer"/Senator Al "we battled" "We really liked the schools.'/schools in Colorado "you know what I'm sayin?" "meaningful games in September" "there's no question about it." Not devastated but disappointed "he can't be any worse than what we have now"? New York's gonna love Bill Pecota. Omar loves Hispanic ballplayers/Los Mets The Willie Randolph Special Edition: --Music and facial hair --The funk --"When we sip champagne..." --My guys --Three in the morning -- Surrounded by winners Curveball of doom and statuesque to describe Beltran's reaction to the curveball of doom should be mentioned.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: To be fair, Edge... isn't it fair to say that O brought quite a bit of the "Los Mets" stuff himself with the assertion, post-Pedro-signing, that he was AIMING to bring a larger Latin quotient to town for, like, vague recruitment reasons with IFAs? (And Steve, are my eyes being wonky, or did you just defend Truthers and Birthers on the grounds that there are a lot of them?) HA! No, I was making a correlation with people who see Omar making moves due to racial motivations as one key factor to making the moves due to smoke being there for the tin hat community to latch on to. There is enough shreds to pick on when it comes to Omar's motivations, as there is to 9/11 being an inside job or Obama being born in Keyna. I think I'm trying to say I'd rather not think that any co-workers or RL friends who give me the business about Omar's moves are doing it based more out of getting a rise out of the Met fan in me. As opposed to what they feel about Latin Americans in general.

Edgy DC wrote: Steve, you're re-writing history here. If you really want to want to go find all the negative articles written about John Franco and Braden Looper, I'll find all the negative ones written about Armando Benitez. I think we can save that time though, can't we? Wait, are we talking articles or blather on the interwebs and call in radio shows? I thought we were more talking about that when it came to perceptions of team decision making and hatred on players. Also I'll throw in a caveat for you when it comes to Benitez vs Franco & Looper. You can make a case that the Mets weren't all that relevant for negative articles and columns to be written during most of Franco's reign and the final months of Looper's. But of course you can shoot holes in that logic by saying the Mets weren't relevant last year and there were negative Castillo articles all over the place. Edgy DC wrote: SteveJRogers wrote: Where there is smoke, there tends to be fire. Someone isn't going to make a snarky blind comment unless there was something to the insinuation in the first place. Seriously? Steve, seriously? Okay fine. That can probably be amended that if there are more than just a small handful of conspiracy theorists out there (9/11 "truthers", people wanting to know exactly where President Obama was born, JFK assassination buffs, etc) the comment shouldn't be dismissed as being hateful (be it towards Omar or the Mets organization as a whole) and racially motivated. Dismiss them for being silly and reactionary, but not because the author is a racist or is simply a Mets hater (this is a conversation that comes up with Yankee fans that I know, where Omar's actions have always been presented as racially motivated as opposed to simply bad baseball moves).