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Edgy MD wrote: Don't think I didn't read this. I certainly did. Great stuff. Who is the closest thing to Buck O'Neil baseball has left? Yogi Berra? Ernie Banks?

Even more proof to my point that shit like #ImAMetsFanBecause is a dumb idea for anyone or any entity with an ample amount of haters on the interwebs: http://www.vox.com/2014/11/12/7203269/dr-oz-health-twitter http://nypost.com/2014/11/10/bill-cosby-twitter-hasthag-meme-immediately-backfired/ And related to the Cosby one: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2831615/Bill-Cosby-rape-victim-Barbara-Bowman-says-monster-TV-legend-deserves-scorn-humiliation-got-taunted-internet-evil-deeds-meme-request-backfired.html But sure, keep with your "so what, haters gonna hate" mentality about how the hashtag social media tool should be used.

I miss trading cards... I don't think they've been given out since, probably the 2006 Topps 1986 pack.

Zvon wrote: Zvon wrote: Edgy MD wrote: I got kicked off of that page. Guy that runs it (Ron?) is all heart but emotionally mercurial. Fantastically so. Then he begged me come back, re-adding me a couple of times without my consent. That guy thinks his shit don't stink. Good luck to Gil. I really hope he gets in. I'd like to say it looks good but aside from the FB page I don't hear much about the situation. If I'm gonna trash one I really should commend the other. Mr. Bill Hall has done a magnificent job organizing and pushing the Gil Into The Hall Drive. He seems like a great guy and he's put a lot of work into the cause. If Gil makes it into the hall this round, Mr. Hall deserves much of the credit. To be fair, I really wonder if all that is going to be a hindrance to Hodges' case. The whole point of the reconstituted, and set of rotating three distinct "era" groups, committee is to do away with the perceived rampant campaigning and cronyism that caused many of Frankie Frisch's teammates on the 1920s and 1930s Cardinals and Giants inducted in the 1960s and 1970s and Phil Rizzuto in 1994. Along with oddities like the alleged reason Rick Ferrell got inducted (the story was that an old GM or owner lobbied each member of the committee to give a then ailing Ferrell a sympathy vote) or the fact that Charlie Gehringer was such a Yankee hater that he never voted for a Yankee, ever. Granted you can make a case that stuff like the This Old Cub documentary, and the Cubs retiring #10 was part of a campaign ahead of Ron Santo's posthumous election in 2012, but for the most part, all three committees have been real air tight when it comes to players, to the point where Santo and Joe Gordon are the only post 1900 players to get in through this particular door. So it is conceivable that a social media movement for Hodges could be looked at as a negative by the voters. Almost like their hand is going to be forced, and they'll look no better than the one that they replaced.

Mets � Willets Point wrote: The headline writer for MLB.com seems to be one of those people who works too hard to come up with clever nicknames. At least I'm hoping no one else uses "MadBum" and "Waino." At least its name based and trying to cram a big "hard to spell on the fly" name into a headline space and not "oh look at me, making a cultural reference that has nothing to do with the guy, except to show that I know a thing or two" like Chris Berman and John Sterling's HR calls.

Cards tragedy with a Met connection: While a member of their organization, Cards minor leaguer and future Met Johnny Lewis's wife and mother of their two children, was killed in a car accident. She was 22. Here's another Cards tragedy with a Met connection: Cards trade perennial MVP candidate superstar who's also the greatest fielding first baseman in baseball history to the Mets for two barely memorable pitchers. As for the second bolded statement. Rick Ownbey yes, but Neil Allen? Guy was the Met closer for much of the early 1980s Oh yeah, big shot? How many runs did ol' Neil Allen drive in for the Mets?

Yup to all four, and we have our complete list! 1. Armando Benitez 43 2001 2. Armando Benitez 41 2000 3. Billy Wagner 40 2006 4. John Franco 38 1998 5. John Franco 36 1997 6. Francisco Rodriguez 35 2009 7. Billy Wagner 37 2007 8. John Franco 33 1990 9. Armando Benitez 33 2002 10. Jesse Orosco 31 1984 11. John Franco 30 1991 12. John Franco 30 1994 13. John Franco 29 1995 14. Braden Looper 29 2004 15. John Franco 28 1996 16. Braden Looper 28 2005 17. Jenrry Mejia 28 2014 18. Tug McGraw 27 1972 19. Billy Wagner 27 2008 20. Randy Myers 26 1988 21. Tug McGraw 25 1973 22. Roger McDowell 25 1987 23. Francisco Rodriguez 25 2010 24. Randy Myers 24 1989 25. Francisco Rodriguez 23 2011 26. Frank Francisco 23 2012 27. Neil Allen 22 1980 28. Roger McDowell 22 1986 29. Armando Benitez 22 1999 30. Bobby Parnell 22 2013 Just for fun (YMMV) reference, the rest of the Met 20 Saves in a Single Season club: 31. Jesse Orosco 21 1986 32. Armando Benitez 21 2003 33. Skip Lockwood 20 1977 The rest of the 15 saves club goes through 46 Met's seasons; 34. Skip Lockwood 19 1976 35. Neil Allen 19 1982 36. John Franco 19 1999 37. Neil Allen 18 1981 38. Jesse Orosco 17 1983 39. Jesse Orosco 17 1985 40. Roger McDowell 17 1985 41. Jesse Orosco 16 1987 42. Roger McDowell 16 1988 43. Skip Lockwood 15 1978 44. Doug Sisk 15 1984 45. John Franco 15 1992 46. Anthony Young 15 1992

KRod yes, Armandblow yes, Lockwood no. 1. Armando Benitez 43 2001 2. Armando Benitez 41 2000 3. 4. John Franco 38 1998 5. John Franco 36 1997 6. Francisco Rodriguez 35 2009 7. 8. John Franco 33 1990 9. Armando Benitez 33 2002 10. Jesse Orosco 31 1984 11. John Franco 30 1991 12. John Franco 30 1994 13. John Franco 29 1995 14. Braden Looper 29 2004 15. John Franco 28 1996 16. Braden Looper 28 2005 17. Jenrry Mejia 28 2014 18. 19. 20. 21. 22. 23. Francisco Rodriguez 25 2010 24. 25. Francisco Rodriguez 23 2011 26. Frank Francisco 23 2012 27. Neil Allen 22 1980 28. Roger McDowell 22 1986 29. Armando Benitez 22 1999 30. Bobby Parnell 22 2013 Just for fun (YMMV) reference, the rest of the Met 20 Saves in a Single Season club: 31. Jesse Orosco 21 1986 32. Armando Benitez 21 2003 33. Skip Lockwood 20 1977 The rest of the 15 saves club goes through 46 Met's seasons; 34. Skip Lockwood 19 1976 35. Neil Allen 19 1982 36. John Franco 19 1999 37. Neil Allen 18 1981 38. Jesse Orosco 17 1983 39. Jesse Orosco 17 1985 40. Roger McDowell 17 1985 41. Jesse Orosco 16 1987 42. Roger McDowell 16 1988 43. Skip Lockwood 15 1978 44. Doug Sisk 15 1984 45. John Franco 15 1992 46. Anthony Young 15 1992

Edgy MD wrote: Frank Francisco. Yup 1. 2. 3. 4. John Franco 38 1998 5. John Franco 36 1997 6. 7. 8. John Franco 33 1990 9. 10. Jesse Orosco 31 1984 11. John Franco 30 1991 12. John Franco 30 1994 13. John Franco 29 1995 14. Braden Looper 29 2004 15. John Franco 28 1996 16. Braden Looper 28 2005 17. Jenrry Mejia 28 2014 18. 19. 20. 21. 22. 23. 24. 25. 26. Frank Francisco 23 2012 27. Neil Allen 22 1980 28. Roger McDowell 22 1986 29. Armando Benitez 22 1999 30. Bobby Parnell 22 2013 Just for fun (YMMV) reference, the rest of the Met 20 Saves in a Single Season club: 31. Jesse Orosco 21 1986 32. Armando Benitez 21 2003 33. Skip Lockwood 20 1977 The rest of the 15 saves club goes through 46 Met's seasons; 34. Skip Lockwood 19 1976 35. Neil Allen 19 1982 36. John Franco 19 1999 37. Neil Allen 18 1981 38. Jesse Orosco 17 1983 39. Jesse Orosco 17 1985 40. Roger McDowell 17 1985 41. Jesse Orosco 16 1987 42. Roger McDowell 16 1988 43. Skip Lockwood 15 1978 44. Doug Sisk 15 1984 45. John Franco 15 1992 46. Anthony Young 15 1992

Seaver bowing on the mound after his number was retired.

DING DING! 1. John Franco 276 2. Armando Benitez 160 3. Jesse Orosco 107 4. Billy Wagner 101 5. Tug McGraw 86 6. Roger McDowell 84 7. Francisco Rodriguez 83 8. Neil Allen 69 Rest of Top Ten: 9. Skip Lockwood 65 10. Braden Looper 57 Actives in Top 20: Bobby Parnell 13th 36 Jenrry Mejia 15th 28

Yes to all, except Parnell: 1. 2. 3. 4. John Franco 38 1998 5. John Franco 36 1997 6. 7. 8. John Franco 33 1990 9. 10. Jesse Orosco 31 1984 11. John Franco 30 1991 12. John Franco 30 1994 13. John Franco 29 1995 14. Braden Looper 29 2004 15. John Franco 28 1996 16. Braden Looper 28 2005 17. Jenrry Mejia 28 2014 18. 19. 20. 21. 22. 23. 24. 25. 26. 27. Neil Allen 22 1980 28. Roger McDowell 22 1986 29. Armando Benitez 22 1999 30. Bobby Parnell 22 2013

Yes to Tugger and KRod. Randal K is just under the top ten, at #11 1. John Franco 276 2. Armando Benitez 160 3. Jesse Orosco 107 4. Billy Wagner 101 5. Tug McGraw 86 6. 7. Francisco Rodriguez 83 8. Neil Allen 69

The entire top 4, and the Met 100 Saves Club, is now accounted for! 1. John Franco 276 2. Armando Benitez 160 3. Jesse Orosco 107 4. Billy Wagner 101 5. 6. 7. 8. Neil Allen 69

Allen single season saves mark topped out with 22 in 1980, good for a current tie for 27th place in the Mets Single Season Save record books (with Benitez in 1999, McDowell in 1986 and Bobby Parnell in 2013) Of the 26 slots ahead of 22 saves, they are held by 11 different Mets, name who they are.

Neil Allen ranks 8th in All-Time Met Saves with 69 (DUDES), who are the 7 guys ahead of him? Usual Quiz Guess posting rules apply.

TransMonk wrote: Maybe. I just know that if it were Piazza (or any other Met) that avoided the questions from Congress in order to not call himself out as a liar, I would have been embarrassed. What Monk said. IIRC, there was a lot of feelings that he just was a big disingenuous creep, and distraction, among Cardinal Nation at the height of his nation wide popularity. A lot of "24 and 1" sort of feelings, like what MFYLD have with ARod, even before the first wave of allegations and failed tests. Ashie wrote: Mike Piazza was able to carry the Mets on his back during some long winning streaks. Something McGwire actually didn't quite do as a RedBird, especially in postseason play, where the best run the Cards had during his years, he was on the DL and Will Clark was at first. So that probably adds to the acrimony of the fanbase towards him.

Ah yes, there was that! Didn't Tudor bust his hand punching a fan (air blowing one) after that game?

Look, I'm not advocating the Mets put him into their HOF, but the point is Allen was far from being some obscure hurler with a few 1982-1983 appearances while riding the shuttle from either Tidewater or the DL that thrown into a deal for Keith Hernandez. 1) He was well thought of enough that he was on the ballot for the Mets 40th anniversary team (as voted by fans) as a righty reliever with Roger McDowell, Armando Benitez and Skip Lockwood. I don't know the voting breakdown, but based on Benitez' standing as a Met in 2002, I'd imagine he snuck in a distant second place finish behind McDowell. 2) Same 4 guys appeared ten years later on the 50th anniversary team ballot, this time voted on by a panel of Metly experts. McDowell still picked up the nod, BUT he was still considered among the better right handed relievers in team history (not saying much, but still). Hence, hardly a guy you can dismiss as "barely memorable."

batmagadanleadoff wrote: SteveJRogers wrote: As for the second bolded statement. Rick Ownbey yes, but Neil Allen? Guy was the Met closer for much of the early 1980s and featured heavily on official publications. Blah blah blah blah Ownbey blah blah Allen. Hey kid, just lemme have my fun, willya kid? LOL! Just don't dismiss Doug Flynn in the same way in regards to the Seaver trade around here = But, just so we are clear on Allen's place among the early 1980s Mets... =

Here's another Cards tragedy with a Met connection: Cards trade perennial MVP candidate superstar who's also the greatest fielding first baseman in baseball history to the Mets for two barely memorable pitchers. And another one: Cards trade their former MVP, future Hall of Fame corner infielder, who's still got a .300 season left in him, for a couple of relief pitchers, one of them washed up and the other never any good. At first base the next year they're forced to play a big-headed rookie who hits .250 with no power, and they go from a game and half out of first place the previous year to nineteen games out, tied with the Mets. I don't know how Bing Devine kept his job after that one. Geez, you sound like an internet troll bashing that kid like that! On the flip side...ehh...Torre did have one solid year left in him (FWIW, I wouldn't tap him future HOFer since he's in only due to his Mgr career) but yeah, I can see the trade being considered bad for the RedBirds as they could have gotten more for him.

Cards tragedy with a Met connection: While a member of their organization, Cards minor leaguer and future Met Johnny Lewis's wife and mother of their two children, was killed in a car accident. She was 22. Here's another Cards tragedy with a Met connection: Cards trade perennial MVP candidate superstar who's also the greatest fielding first baseman in baseball history to the Mets for two barely memorable pitchers. You MIGHT not want to use that phrase connecting a bad trade with the passing of a guy's wife. As for the second bolded statement. Rick Ownbey yes, but Neil Allen? Guy was the Met closer for much of the early 1980s and featured heavily on official publications. Hard to call him barely memorable even if his accomplishments were soon to be eclipsed by Orosco, McDowell, Myers, Franco, et al. Oh sure he falls off the map after the trade, ironically IIRC alcohol abuse was among the culprits since Hernandez was sent packing due to his love of the white powder, and bounces around a bit, but barely memorable is a bit harsh of a label to stick on him.

d'Kong76 wrote: Were issues like Topps Venezuelan cards considered parallel cards or is there another buzz word? Parallel means the same exact card, right down to the number on the back, as the base set. So no, the 1975 minis I believe are the first official parallel cards.

d'Kong76 wrote: After reading Stevie's post, maybe M'sM means there were only a couple hundred cards issued during Seaver's career. Most likely 1965/66-1987, with the explosion being since...I want to say 1994, or possibly 1991 with Topps' 40th Anniversary, is when the nostalgia boom hit the hobby in terms of the brands that focused on the current sports making tons of cards of past stars in some fashion. Edgy MD wrote: What are "parallel set cards"? Some sort of reprints? Kinda. Gimmicked in some fashion to make them more collectible, and in some cases (i.e. the one of a kind specific color printing press of the card) rarer.

According to this site, as of this year's early releases, 4,036 http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Person.cfm/pid/5301/Tom-Seaver With 50 already this year! Granted, the majority are special parallel set cards, but still it is pretty substantial thanks to being in plenty of the nostalgic based sets and subsets that have come out from the major companies over the last two decades.