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Chad Ochoseis wrote: SteveJRogers wrote: Are you sure its not Cleveland? WELL, EFF YOU, TOO LOL! Hey, there was a former Knick who relished a trade to the Cavs due to the lack of a Cleveland nightlife full of temptations...that and the Cavs being championship contenders and the Knicks...well, not so much!

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I was trying to think of the major league city with the least exciting nightlife. I don't know: Milwaukee? Phoenix? I'm not really up on such things. I recall reading several quotes over the years that it's Cincinnati. Even Led Zeppelin noted that you're lucky to get a decent meal there after 10PM. Are you sure its not Cleveland?

G-Fafif wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: there wasn't even an internet, let alone the CPF during Dallas's reign of terror and general arm shredding. Seminal internet activity existed within the grasp of the general public between May of 1993 and August of 1996. Dallas Green was the manager of record when I first stumbled into electronic baseball communications in April of 1994. I used it initially to promote the cause of Josias Manzanillo for closer. But did Dallas listen? Just to piggyback, MetsOnline literally was created due to Bryan Hoch's desire for an online outlet to discuss the potential of the Big Three of GenK. And the site, forum, etc was launched during Green's wanning days.

Ashie62 wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Buddy? Buddy didn't have a hand of literally systematically ruining an entire generation of highly touted Met pitching prospects. I guess you mean "Generation K"? Arms go, how is Dallas responsible?? True no one is looking at Collins for the years of missed time between Matz, Wheeler and Harvey, but there are plenty of places that put part of the blame for Wilson and Pulsipher washing out, and Isringhausen having to be reinvented as a closer on Green's over working them at the big league level. Even Green himself had admitted mistakes in over reliance on the old school "can never throw enough" mindset.

Ashie62 wrote: Buddy? Buddy didn't have a hand of literally systematically ruining an entire generation of highly touted Met pitching prospects.

MFS62 wrote: Several of them managed the Mets, and one of them won a Championship. But the worst? And, a Dick Stuart Phillies card in his Pirates uni? Funny. Later Dallas Green probably qualifies, depending on how much you blame his "pitch until your arm falls off" mentality hurt his crop of Met future aces.

Frayed Knot wrote: And now we get to wonder how many echo-Jeterites there are going to be in the future. We have one pitching for us tonight!

I'm thinking of Lou Thorton as either 8 or 9

#4 could be Benny Ayala?

3) Tim Leary

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Reading that 1984 piece, I'm in the mood to jump on the retire-Kranepool's-number bandwagon. Does that bandwagon even exist? As soon as the Skanks do the same for the Roy Whites, and not just lesser All-Stars of more recent vintage (Bernie, Posada, etc). IIRC, the lack of a Kranepool "day" was probably tied into the Met HOF committee waiting out Tom Seaver's career. Only reason Staub and Harrelson ended up going in ahead of Seaver was because they ran out of non-players to honor and the two were employed by the team at the time! I also don't think Kranepool is no where near worthy enough to be an exception to the "Met logo on Hall of Fame Plaque" rule.

2) For some reason Jason Jacome is coming to mind, but I thought he had a slightly better W-L than that.

1) The guy traded for some long time outfielder, Charlie Williams?

Dock Ellis for #2

2) Mike Torrez

Hobie Landrith

Sergio Ferrer?

Ron Gardenhire battling prostrate cancer.

Edgy MD wrote: “Rickey Henderson is the greatest Athletic of all time. It is fitting we honor and recognize his impact on our franchise by naming our playing field after him,” said Oakland A’s President Dave Kaval. Well, if you credit him for his non-Athletic athletic feats, then, sure, but measuring A's-only achievements, there's a strong case for Eddie Plank. I was thinking along the likes of Grove and Foxx if you want to go back to Philly. But its a big shot across the bow of an Oaklander of a generation earlier who also referred to himself in the third person.

A's rename their field for Rickey Henderson: http://www.csnbayarea.com/athletics/name-oakland-coliseum-playing-surface-rickey-henderson-field When I first saw the headline, my assumption was some Bay Area park diamond had been purchased by the organization!

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: If the writers made Piazza wait because one writer accused him of bacne, then you have to figure that they'll make Rodriguez wait a couple years, too. Plus, he was a Yankee. Part of me also wonders if a good number of the writers who left Piazza off their ballot over the course of his four years on the ballot, did so more wait for Rodriguez to go in before Piazza. Stupid reasoning, based on Piazza retiring 4 seasons before Rodriguez did (who many probably would place over Piazza when talking all-time great backstops), but there have been stranger reasons not to vote for someone!

Gwreck wrote: Valentine...or an extremely long tenure to even be in the discussion, I think. Six full seasons and last month of a 7th makes him second to Davey in terms of tenure. Only Davey Johnson has more games managed than his 1,003, though Collins should pass him next year (31), unless the wheels come completely off early (actually he should pass Davey for the top spot as well (40 away). Ditto his 536 Met team win record, which Collins is 55 wins away (114 wins shy of Davey's 595). He does have the second most losses in team history (Collins passed him this year 491 to 467), but that's more on managing 6 full seasons, as opposed to Joe Torre's reasoning for being in third place due to franchise ineptitude. .534 win percentage is third highest in team history (minimum 200 games), behind Johnson's .588 and Randolph's .544. First manager to guide the franchise to back-to-back postseason appearances, two 90+ teams and 5 seasons of .500 or better. Big hit with fans and community (which probably counts more for something like a team specific Hall). Other than not being around longer than the 6 full seasons and the obvious championship, what else could you ask for?

Just Schuerholz and Selig. Find it a bit ironic that Selig gets inducted days after one of his more infamous "legacies" with the ASG and WS home field got the boot.

I'd advocate for the induction of Bobby Valentine, but not Steve Phillips.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Nymr83 wrote: who are the Pudge nay-sayers? he is an all-time great catcher - top 5 at the position! Superlative defender, and an excellent offensive player for a decade. I don't get how he isn't first-ballot, honestly. He does seem to have more "substantial" PED "taint" than Piazza did (named in Canseco book, teammate of users in Texas, deflated and power numbers "decreased" with the advent of testing, etc).