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Rubber Game in the afternoon.

="OlerudOwned":37qc9j40]="SteveJRogers":37qc9j40]="Edgy DC":37qc9j40]We're going to need a lot of folks before this is over. Let's not go celebrating injury.[/quote:37qc9j40] Yeah, but I like having that option no longer available.[/quote:37qc9j40] That option has probably been the best of the three options you nitwit.[/quote:37qc9j40] Can't hit, can't field (which is WHY he was brought here), and can't run. The guy has been a disaster since coming here. HahnSolo May 12 2009 11:15 AM This guy on the right is available. And wait'll you hear his at bat entrance music. Edgy DC May 12 2009 11:24 AM ="SteveJRogers":og1fkuiq]="OlerudOwned":og1fkuiq]="SteveJRogers":og1fkuiq]="Edgy DC":og1fkuiq]We're going to need a lot of folks before this is over. Let's not go celebrating injury.[/quote:og1fkuiq] Yeah, but I like having that option no longer available.[/quote:og1fkuiq] That option has probably been the best of the three options you nitwit.[/quote:og1fkuiq] Can't hit, can't field (which is WHY he was brought here), and can't run. The guy has been a disaster since coming here.[/quote:og1fkuiq] KILL HIM! LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 12 2009 11:36 AM ="EdgyDC":obfr4gp0] ="SteveJRogers":obfr4gp0]Can't hit, can't field (which is WHY he was brought here), and can't run. The guy has been a disaster since coming here.[/quote:obfr4gp0] KILL HIM![/quote:obfr4gp0] I say, we stomp him, then we tattoo him, then we hang him, THEN we kill him. metirish May 12 2009 11:42 AM I'm not huge fan of Schneider but come on he's it after Santos and the injured Castro....what's the status of Castro , with this long road trip coming up who is going to catch with Omir? OlerudOwned May 12 2009 12:01 PM ="SteveJRogers":3qr68pcq]="OlerudOwned":3qr68pcq]="SteveJRogers":3qr68pcq]="Edgy DC":3qr68pcq]We're going to need a lot of folks before this is over. Let's not go celebrating injury.[/quote:3qr68pcq] Yeah, but I like having that option no longer available.[/quote:3qr68pcq] That option has probably been the best of the three options you nitwit.[/quote:3qr68pcq] Can't hit, can't field (which is WHY he was brought here), and can't run. The guy has been a disaster since coming here.[/quote:3qr68pcq] Brian Schneider last season: .257/.339/.367 in 384 PAs Omir Santos best season, at any level (2002, split between the NY-Penn and Sally leagues): .275/.317/.400 in 331 PAs That's it. That's the best he's done, ever. He's 28. But yeah, Schneider[/url:3qr68pcq] can't[/url:3qr68pcq] field[/url:3qr68pcq]. Nymr83 May 12 2009 12:13 PM well done OO. i dont like schenieder, but being happy he is hurt is pretty damn stupid considering hte other options the Mets foolishly left themselves with. The front office must be kicking themselves over letting Flores go in the rule 5 draft a few years ago. Frayed Knot May 12 2009 12:21 PM You have to forgive SJR, he suffers from listening to too many folks who value having an opinion more than they do actually reasoning it out and that if they yell said opinion out loud enough and often enough it becomes true whether it actually is or not. Edgy DC May 12 2009 12:23 PM ="Nymr83":38kare1a]The front office must be kicking themselves over letting Flores go in the rule 5 draft a few years ago.[/quote:38kare1a] Hopefully, they're all kicked out. MadDog May 12 2009 12:35 PM ="Frayed Knot"]You have to forgive SJR, he suffers from listening to too many folks who value having an opinion more than they do actually reasoning it out and that if they yell said opinion out loud enough and often enough it becomes true whether it actually is or not. AH, COME ON, FRAYED! Brian Schneider is TERRIBLE. (awkward silence) He's a TERRIBLE player, and the Mets are better off without him. TERRIBLE! Say something funny, Mike! Frayed Knot May 12 2009 01:56 PM Not who I was talking about MD but always good to hear from you anyway. And the thing about Schneider is that, yes, he's been a disappointment, both in his the fact that he doesn't give the impression of being the top-notch defensive fielder we were led to believe and in his inability to stay on the field. Anyone who thought coming in that he was going to be a dynamite hitter has only himself to blame. But, to a large extent, Met fans have been spoiled over the last few decades by having the likes of Carter, then Hundley, then Piazza behind the dish (and also fooled by Posada across town). Many of them need to be reminded of the dirty little secret that reads: [u:1fn9o8fu]most catchers don't hit much[/u:1fn9o8fu]. Schneider's offense (particularly if you throw out last season's first half - he was much better in the 2nd) is much closer to the norm than a lot of fans seem to think. You want to find an upgrade for next season or even this it's fine with me -- just don't expect to find one under every rock. Frayed Knot May 14 2009 10:51 AM More catcher news - from Adam Rubin's blog, NYDN: Catcher Javier Valentin, Jose's brother, has signed with the Mets and will report to Triple-A Buffalo, replacing Rafael Arroyo on the Bisons' roster. Valentin, 33, has appeared in 631 major-league games from 1997-2008, with a combined .251 average, 45 homers and 210 RBI in 1,507 at-bats. He spent spring training with the Nationals but declared himself a free agent when Washington asked him to go to the minors. Nymr83 May 14 2009 12:04 PM ="Frayed Knot":efbuufmk] He spent spring training with the Nationals but declared himself a free agent when Washington asked him to go to the minors.[/quote:efbuufmk] but now he's back in the minors having lost a month of pay, he must really smell oppotunity here, and i don't blame him. Ashie62 May 24 2009 09:59 AM I believe Mr. Santos is the leading candidate or NL ROY..Fowler has washed out It would help us all if I am close to correct Sincerely Ashie62

="Edgy DC":11z75zzr]We're going to need a lot of folks before this is over. Let's not go celebrating injury.[/quote:11z75zzr] Yeah, but I like having that option no longer available. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 12 2009 10:27 AM ="SteveJRogers":622t2090]="Edgy DC":622t2090]We're going to need a lot of folks before this is over. Let's not go celebrating injury.[/quote:622t2090] Yeah, but I like having that option no longer available.[/quote:622t2090] I'm not sure if you've noticed, Steve, but unless Sandy's putting the mask back on this week, we're down to one option at the moment. And contrary to what you believe, if the past provides ANY sort of predictive value, Schneider's probably at least a slightly better offensive option than Omir over the course of a season. Benjamin Grimm May 12 2009 10:28 AM And if Santos pulls a hammy tomorrow? Will you still be glad that Schneider is hurt? Edgy DC May 12 2009 10:47 AM ="SteveJRogers":5nmxtfga]="Edgy DC":5nmxtfga]We're going to need a lot of folks before this is over. Let's not go celebrating injury.[/quote:5nmxtfga] Yeah, but I like having that option no longer available.[/quote:5nmxtfga] You're all class, Steve. OlerudOwned May 12 2009 10:54 AM ="SteveJRogers":24s1ipc9]="Edgy DC":24s1ipc9]We're going to need a lot of folks before this is over. Let's not go celebrating injury.[/quote:24s1ipc9] Yeah, but I like having that option no longer available.[/quote:24s1ipc9] That option has probably been the best of the three options you nitwit. SteveJRogers May 12 2009 11:07 AM ="OlerudOwned":37qc9j40]="SteveJRogers":37qc9j40]="Edgy DC":37qc9j40]We're going to need a lot of folks before this is over. Let's not go celebrating injury.[/quote:37qc9j40] Yeah, but I like having that option no longer available.[/quote:37qc9j40] That option has probably been the best of the three options you nitwit.[/quote:37qc9j40] Can't hit, can't field (which is WHY he was brought here), and can't run. The guy has been a disaster since coming here. HahnSolo May 12 2009 11:15 AM This guy on the right is available. And wait'll you hear his at bat entrance music. Edgy DC May 12 2009 11:24 AM ="SteveJRogers":og1fkuiq]="OlerudOwned":og1fkuiq]="SteveJRogers":og1fkuiq]="Edgy DC":og1fkuiq]We're going to need a lot of folks before this is over. Let's not go celebrating injury.[/quote:og1fkuiq] Yeah, but I like having that option no longer available.[/quote:og1fkuiq] That option has probably been the best of the three options you nitwit.[/quote:og1fkuiq] Can't hit, can't field (which is WHY he was brought here), and can't run. The guy has been a disaster since coming here.[/quote:og1fkuiq] KILL HIM! LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 12 2009 11:36 AM ="EdgyDC":obfr4gp0] ="SteveJRogers":obfr4gp0]Can't hit, can't field (which is WHY he was brought here), and can't run. The guy has been a disaster since coming here.[/quote:obfr4gp0] KILL HIM![/quote:obfr4gp0] I say, we stomp him, then we tattoo him, then we hang him, THEN we kill him. metirish May 12 2009 11:42 AM I'm not huge fan of Schneider but come on he's it after Santos and the injured Castro....what's the status of Castro , with this long road trip coming up who is going to catch with Omir? OlerudOwned May 12 2009 12:01 PM ="SteveJRogers":3qr68pcq]="OlerudOwned":3qr68pcq]="SteveJRogers":3qr68pcq]="Edgy DC":3qr68pcq]We're going to need a lot of folks before this is over. Let's not go celebrating injury.[/quote:3qr68pcq] Yeah, but I like having that option no longer available.[/quote:3qr68pcq] That option has probably been the best of the three options you nitwit.[/quote:3qr68pcq] Can't hit, can't field (which is WHY he was brought here), and can't run. The guy has been a disaster since coming here.[/quote:3qr68pcq] Brian Schneider last season: .257/.339/.367 in 384 PAs Omir Santos best season, at any level (2002, split between the NY-Penn and Sally leagues): .275/.317/.400 in 331 PAs That's it. That's the best he's done, ever. He's 28. But yeah, Schneider[/url:3qr68pcq] can't[/url:3qr68pcq] field[/url:3qr68pcq]. Nymr83 May 12 2009 12:13 PM well done OO. i dont like schenieder, but being happy he is hurt is pretty damn stupid considering hte other options the Mets foolishly left themselves with. The front office must be kicking themselves over letting Flores go in the rule 5 draft a few years ago. Frayed Knot May 12 2009 12:21 PM You have to forgive SJR, he suffers from listening to too many folks who value having an opinion more than they do actually reasoning it out and that if they yell said opinion out loud enough and often enough it becomes true whether it actually is or not. Edgy DC May 12 2009 12:23 PM ="Nymr83":38kare1a]The front office must be kicking themselves over letting Flores go in the rule 5 draft a few years ago.[/quote:38kare1a] Hopefully, they're all kicked out. MadDog May 12 2009 12:35 PM ="Frayed Knot"]You have to forgive SJR, he suffers from listening to too many folks who value having an opinion more than they do actually reasoning it out and that if they yell said opinion out loud enough and often enough it becomes true whether it actually is or not. AH, COME ON, FRAYED! Brian Schneider is TERRIBLE. (awkward silence) He's a TERRIBLE player, and the Mets are better off without him. TERRIBLE! Say something funny, Mike! Frayed Knot May 12 2009 01:56 PM Not who I was talking about MD but always good to hear from you anyway. And the thing about Schneider is that, yes, he's been a disappointment, both in his the fact that he doesn't give the impression of being the top-notch defensive fielder we were led to believe and in his inability to stay on the field. Anyone who thought coming in that he was going to be a dynamite hitter has only himself to blame. But, to a large extent, Met fans have been spoiled over the last few decades by having the likes of Carter, then Hundley, then Piazza behind the dish (and also fooled by Posada across town). Many of them need to be reminded of the dirty little secret that reads: [u:1fn9o8fu]most catchers don't hit much[/u:1fn9o8fu]. Schneider's offense (particularly if you throw out last season's first half - he was much better in the 2nd) is much closer to the norm than a lot of fans seem to think. You want to find an upgrade for next season or even this it's fine with me -- just don't expect to find one under every rock. Frayed Knot May 14 2009 10:51 AM More catcher news - from Adam Rubin's blog, NYDN: Catcher Javier Valentin, Jose's brother, has signed with the Mets and will report to Triple-A Buffalo, replacing Rafael Arroyo on the Bisons' roster. Valentin, 33, has appeared in 631 major-league games from 1997-2008, with a combined .251 average, 45 homers and 210 RBI in 1,507 at-bats. He spent spring training with the Nationals but declared himself a free agent when Washington asked him to go to the minors. Nymr83 May 14 2009 12:04 PM ="Frayed Knot":efbuufmk] He spent spring training with the Nationals but declared himself a free agent when Washington asked him to go to the minors.[/quote:efbuufmk] but now he's back in the minors having lost a month of pay, he must really smell oppotunity here, and i don't blame him. Ashie62 May 24 2009 09:59 AM I believe Mr. Santos is the leading candidate or NL ROY..Fowler has washed out It would help us all if I am close to correct Sincerely Ashie62

="G-Fafif":2qkntjjs]And here I thought you were answering this question: [/quote:2qkntjjs] It has to be said, and yes I know if their wasn't BALCO it would have been something else, but still. Conte should have stuck with music!

="Nymr83"]] Brian Schneider (right calf) was scratched from his extended spring training game Monday, and Omar Minaya said there was no timetable for when Schneider would begin playing Well, that makes the offseason decision with him even easier. So long!

="Frayed Knot":165r0yzz]1) Those claiming to [u:165r0yzz]know[/u:165r0yzz] that Lowe would have been a good sign need to be sure to tell us all about how they are calling this one in their favor approx 1/20th of the way through a deal that takes the pitcher until just before birthday #40 while, at the same time, I'm sure were all over the Glavine deal being a mistake despite coming at a similar age & money only with 1 fewer year guaranteed and a better career up to that point.[/quote:165r0yzz] There is also a difference in the quailty of the team at the point of the Glavine signing and last winter. A Lowe/Glavine of 2003 is good for a team that has some semblance of a direction. The Mets in 2003 didn't know WHAT the hell they were doing. Vaughn, Alomar, Cedeno, Burnitz? The team that Glavine came on board was a complete and utter disaster of a roster, and not a team that had any sort of postseason aspirations. This team could use a veteran alongside Santana in the rotation, rather than Johan, a young question mark in Pelfrey, a can he stay healthy question mark in Maine, a mental case in Perez and "Proven Crap" as the fifth starter. You'd really have to be crazy not to think that Santana/Lowe/Maine/Pelfrey/Proven Crap wouldn't be a better alternative now, or even back in the winter. Edgy DC May 12 2009 09:39 AM I think it's a little too much to ask of a team to judge a deal as "good, if we had a sense of direction." LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 12 2009 10:58 AM ="metsmarathon"]well, as others have said, i don't think it would've been smart to overpay as much for lowe as the braves did, nor do i think it was smart to pay ollie as much as we did. unfortunately, the other starting pitching options that were out there were all pretty darned bad, and outside the top three of sabathia, burnett, and lowe, i don't think there's anybody who would be appreciably (or predictably) helping the team. but we'd prolly be better off with one of them instead of with a potentially useless and grossly overpaid ollie... Really, when you're talking about any multiyear pitcher signing, it's not a matter of choosing the best option, but rather the least-bad. Framing it that way, what's the least-worse option: overpaying for something that's been consistently good and figures to age decently well, or paying a substantial amount-- if a significantly lesser one-- for just one fewer year of commitment, for a product that not only may, but is likely to explode on you? LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 12 2009 11:11 AM ="Willets Point":1siq3mhh]Of course the best deal not made was when the Mets didn't trade Glavine for Lowe back in 2005.[/quote:1siq3mhh] Flerg? Whazzit? Willets Point May 12 2009 12:05 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":13s8slea]="Willets Point":13s8slea]Of course the best deal not made was when the Mets didn't trade Glavine for Lowe back in 2005.[/quote:13s8slea] Flerg? Whazzit?[/quote:13s8slea] Referencing an argument that was beaten like a dead horse at the tim on this forum, for comic effect. Probably not all that funny even to people who get the reference. Frayed Knot May 12 2009 12:15 PM You pot-stirrer you!! LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 12 2009 12:23 PM ="Edgy DC"]For not a single moment last night, did I wish the Mets had signed Derek Lowe. I don't like the doofy bastard, but I respectfully disagree. (And thanks for enlightening a newb, WP. I'm never entirely sure whether I'm missing an inside joke, or just noticing a memory hole.)

G-Fafif wrote: ="Kong76"]I didn't realize the home losing streak on Sunday dated back to July until G-Fafif told me. Nice to put that thing to rest in good game watching company. Same here, but to clarify, there was a win September 7, but there was also a loss. First exit from Flushing Meadow with unadulterated good vibes in 9-1/2 months. Also found Shea's bases marked in the parking lot, along with the "pitching plate," which I think is a pitching rubber, but well, either way there used to be a ballpark right there. Lots of clusters of folks taking pictures at each stop. Still needs chalking. According to the rules and regulations and whatnot, that apparantly is the actual technical term for the area that the pitcher throws from. Mound and rubber being "unofficial" terms substituted through the years.

="Kong76"]Thanks for clarifying. Since you mentioned the bases, safe at second ... Problem is we found first after this and I slid in from right field. HA! Well, you could say you were caught in a run down and went completely out of the base path to avoid the tag.

="MFS62":2jbrur59]Hmmm Let's see: Giambi Clemens A-Rod now Manny What do they all have in common? Torre If you'd like to see him implicated, raise your hand. Later[/quote:2jbrur59] Yeah, they all were clean BEFORE joining Torre managed teams. I get you want to get him for "looking the other way" but when you think about it, do you really expect anything different from a hands off guy like Torre? Edgy DC May 07 2009 10:16 PM ="MFS62":26yfbcxw]Hmmm Let's see: Giambi Clemens A-Rod now Manny What do they all have in common? Torre[/quote:26yfbcxw] Well, yeah, he was naming Yankees of recent vintage and Torre was the manager for 13 years. They all have a lot in common. Yankee Stadium, Steinbrenner, Billy Crystal, Madonna. The point is the double standard Kay displayed. smg58 May 08 2009 05:00 AM ="Ashie62":3157mime]Good Lord...sad part..the game is harmed and more surely to come my Prediction 1. Pujols 2. Jeter 3 Nolan Ryan 4 Carlos Delgado 5 Vladimir Guerrero How come Brady Andersons 50 HR year never comes up? Anybody here think Hojo turned into a slugger through something other than a corked bat. His career did end early.[/quote:3157mime] Because Brady Anderson's career was otherwise so forgettable that he's been, well, forgotten. If he was a HOF candidate, people would be talking about him for sure. At this point, everybody's a suspect. I see no point in singling anyone out before clear evidence comes up against them. Edgy DC May 08 2009 05:30 AM Anderson used to come up all the time. But now (1) he's retired, (2) he's eclipsed by people from whom we actually have failed tests from. And (3) what's the point? cooby May 09 2009 08:00 AM I like Manny, I'm sorry about this. I'm keeping him on my fantasy team, too. Nymr83 May 14 2009 12:01 PM ]"When you take steroids you have a direct outcome of the game, that's the integrity of the game. And when you can change records when you do something illegal, it's just not right. ... Baseball records are sacred. If you do something illegal to surpass those records, it's just not good." --Pete Rose, Guardian of Integrity in Baseball metirish May 14 2009 12:04 PM Didn't Rose then go on to say that Alex Rodriguez should still go to the HOF. I didn't read the article but saw that blurb.... Nymr83 May 14 2009 12:05 PM ="metirish":3sqflmah]Didn't Rose then go on to say that Alex Rodriguez should still go to the HOF. I didn't read the article but saw that blurb....[/quote:3sqflmah] Yeah. I wonder what other cheaters he thinks belong in the hall... Benjamin Grimm May 14 2009 12:08 PM I got to about the fourth paragraph and then thought, "Why does anyone care what Pete Rose has to say about all this?" And then I stopped reading. metirish May 14 2009 12:11 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":37sj3ba0]I got to about the fourth paragraph and then thought, "Why does anyone care what Pete Rose has to say about all this?" And then I stopped reading.[/quote:37sj3ba0] Exactly why I didn't read it. Nothing he says really interests me. Fman99 May 14 2009 12:57 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":2eyfx6w2]I got to about the fourth paragraph and then thought, "Why does anyone care what Pete Rose has to say about all this?" And then I stopped reading.[/quote:2eyfx6w2] Pete Rose is a retard. That's why other retards always have Pete Rose's haircut.

I think the thread was in reference to people not getting into legal trouble because of pics on the internet.

="themetfairy":19umiulu]="SteveJRogers":19umiulu]I've been told that legally stuff like that can be in the clear because of the anonymity of the internet though. [/quote:19umiulu] I'm reasonably sure you've been told wrong.[/quote:19umiulu] Uh-oh... Huh. I was told by a supposed lawyer on a different Met forum. Then again, everyone suspects that the Big Guy in question isn't exactly what one would call a GOOD lawyer. themetfairy May 07 2009 06:00 PM If someone is making actual threats on a message board, the authorities have the power to pierce the veil of anonymity. Kong76 May 07 2009 06:08 PM I got a call from NYPD because I threatened to toss SJJeets off the Empire State Building. I explained the situation and the sarge apologized and told me to do what I gotta do. Ashie62 May 07 2009 06:13 PM ="SteveJRogers":1t8avs4x]I've been told that legally stuff like that can be in the clear because of the anonymity of the internet though. I could go on a rant about how much I hate my commute, say something about how there are times where I WANT to cause an accident, get into an accident, but not have that particular post come back to haunt me. Has to do with lack of proof of actual intent or whatnot.[/quote:1t8avs4x] Hey Rogers..your ISP address is always retrievable Gwreck May 07 2009 09:12 PM ="SteveJRogers":lfrprm3x]I've been told that legally stuff like that can be in the clear because of the anonymity of the internet though.[/quote:lfrprm3x] Yeah, that's basically 100% untrue. It might make you slightly more difficult to catch is all. Edgy DC May 07 2009 09:32 PM ="SteveJRogers":b6ybtpm2]="themetfairy":b6ybtpm2]="SteveJRogers":b6ybtpm2]I've been told that legally stuff like that can be in the clear because of the anonymity of the internet though. [/quote:b6ybtpm2] I'm reasonably sure you've been told wrong.[/quote:b6ybtpm2] Uh-oh... Huh. I was told by a supposed lawyer on a different Met forum.[/quote:b6ybtpm2] Irony. Deep and thick. SteveJRogers May 07 2009 10:00 PM I think the thread was in reference to people not getting into legal trouble because of pics on the internet. Ashie62 May 07 2009 10:14 PM ="Edgy DC":8mn149g9]="SteveJRogers":8mn149g9]="themetfairy":8mn149g9]="SteveJRogers":8mn149g9]I've been told that legally stuff like that can be in the clear because of the anonymity of the internet though. [/quote:8mn149g9] I'm reasonably sure you've been told wrong.[/quote:8mn149g9] Uh-oh... Huh. I was told by a supposed lawyer on a different Met forum.[/quote:8mn149g9] Irony. Deep and thick.[/quote:8mn149g9] ironic & anonymous..too funny duan May 08 2009 06:55 AM side issue but funnily enough I've never understood the US's attitude to Libel. An attitude that's become more pervasive worldwide as the values held by US companies become imposed elsewhere through the internet (not through any fault of the US' - why should the New York Times have to worry about Irish libel laws really). The right to say whatever you like about someone seems to be wrapped up in a Freedom of Speech banner and I don't know that that's actually fair. Edgy DC May 08 2009 07:00 AM British journalism has a higher standard of libel than the US? Nymr83 May 08 2009 07:06 AM Re: side issue but funnily enough ="duan":3q0j2xcf]I've never understood the US's attitude to Libel. An attitude that's become more pervasive worldwide as the values held by US companies become imposed elsewhere through the internet (not through any fault of the US' - why should the New York Times have to worry about Irish libel laws really). The right to say whatever you like about someone seems to be wrapped up in a Freedom of Speech banner and I don't know that that's actually fair.[/quote:3q0j2xcf] Libel laws became wrapped up pretty early on in the American identity with the Zenger trial, even if today's issues in the defamation area have nothign to do with Zenger (truth as a defense) I'd also posit that Americans put a much greater emphasis on freedom of speech than other democracies (i wont even bother talking about non-democratic countries) RealityChuck May 08 2009 09:30 AM Re: side issue but funnily enough ="duan"]I've never understood the US's attitude to Libel. An attitude that's become more pervasive worldwide as the values held by US companies become imposed elsewhere through the internet (not through any fault of the US' - why should the New York Times have to worry about Irish libel laws really). That's an odd statement. US libel laws are far less restrictive than those in places like the UK, for instance. ]The right to say whatever you like about someone seems to be wrapped up in a Freedom of Speech banner and I don't know that that's actually fair. Let's go over a few misconceptions: Libel is not a free speech issue. You can't avoid libel by claiming free speech. Libel is defined as a false statement of fact. It is not libel to say someone looks like a steroid user; that's your opinion, not a fact. It is libel to claim someone took steroids unless you have evidence to back it up. Since most of the posts on a message board are usually opinion, libel isn't in play. Public figures have a higher standard for proving libel than the general public. Someone can libel you and you can win by proving they were making false statements. For a public figure (an that would probably include ballplayers), the person claiming libel not only must show the false statement, but must also prove that the person publishing them knew that they were false and published them anyway. The truth is pretty much an iron clad defense against libel. Angel Pagan, for instance, can't sue newspapers for reporting about his arrest yesterday. Suits are often brought for defamation and called libel. There is a difference. These are often nuisance suits -- it's hard to prove actual defamation without libel, but it does force the defendant to hire a lawyer. Making a threat is not libel, and it is not usually allowed under free speech. A bulletin board has no special privileges when it comes to libel. However, since posts are usually clearly opinion, they will generally be in the clear (though they would have to pay legal costs in a suit). Nymr83 May 08 2009 10:00 AM ]That's an odd statement. US libel laws are far less restrictive than those in places like the UK, for instance. restrictive to who? in the U.S. the laws are less restrictive in the sense that you (the alleged libel-er) can say more i believe that in the UK the burden of proof is backwards. here in the U.S. you (the person aggrieved) must prove the falseness of the statement, don't they place the burden on the libel-er to prove the statement is true over there? LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 08 2009 10:18 AM Shall we adjourn to Non-BB? duan May 08 2009 10:56 AM well it' In Ireland & UK (where much of our law stems from anyway) if you publish something, the burden is on you to be able to prove that it's true, not the other way round. It's a very different dynamic. Nymr83 May 08 2009 12:11 PM right, and that is a free speech issue because i'm sure the british laws stifle alot more potential speech than the american laws do... whether thats good or not is for everyobe to decide, but i'd suspect americans prefer the law we have and vice versa RealityChuck May 08 2009 02:27 PM ="Nymr83"]]That's an odd statement. US libel laws are far less restrictive than those in places like the UK, for instance. restrictive to who? in the U.S. the laws are less restrictive in the sense that you (the alleged libel-er) can say more i believe that in the UK the burden of proof is backwards. here in the U.S. you (the person aggrieved) must prove the falseness of the statement, don't they place the burden on the libel-er to prove the statement is true over there?Yes -- less restrictive on the press and publisher. Libel, after all, is a suit against the person who publishes the material, not the other way around. Libel laws don't restrict the person suing. duan May 08 2009 04:11 PM but why is the right to my good name "odd" Kong76 May 08 2009 07:29 PM tmf: If someone is making actual threats on a message board, the authorities have the power to pierce the veil of anonymity <<< Lol, so do I. Nymr83 May 08 2009 10:46 PM ="duan":2nv96i5t]but why is the right to my good name "odd"[/quote:2nv96i5t] if your name is "good" you can prove so in court. duan May 09 2009 01:58 PM have you ever had to go to court? why should the burden of proof belong to me, not the person who says things about me. [for the record, i'm only talking this out, not necessarily advocating!] cooby May 09 2009 10:24 PM Steve I think your other-Mets-Forum-lawyer-friend might have a correspondence course degree

I've been told that legally stuff like that can be in the clear because of the anonymity of the internet though. I could go on a rant about how much I hate my commute, say something about how there are times where I WANT to cause an accident, get into an accident, but not have that particular post come back to haunt me. Has to do with lack of proof of actual intent or whatnot.

Fine I understand, but it just is mind numbing after the 1,545th time hearing the same stuff and then hearing about a relaspe or another incident with both him and Gooden. Maybe I'm just too bitter about "what might have been" with both of them.

="themetfairy":3sopuqrz]I'll agree that piece of shit is too strong a term. I've had issues with Straw blowing his MLB career up his nose. But he's been very nice to MK on a couple of occasions over the last year or so, so I'm willing to give him some benefit of the doubt and hope that he's finally gotten his act together.[/quote:3sopuqrz] Yeah, but how many times has he even failed to do THAT since his playing days came to a close? He is a great con artist, I'll give him that much. Edgy DC May 03 2009 07:40 PM I don't understand "go away." You don't like what's in the news, look for something else, or go out and make your own news. But to object that a guy is getting attention, while you yourself are calling attention to him? That doesn't fly at all. Re-read cooby's post. It's as wise as it is brief. If it doesn't ring true, replace "this piece of shit" with the name of some broken addict you know. Most of us don't have to think to far to recall the fucking up we've done in our lives. seawolf17 May 03 2009 07:55 PM The guy certainly has a right to publish his memoirs or whatever. Did Darryl piss on your cat, Steve? I don't get the venom either. He's been welcomed back into the fold, he's done appearances... I don't get it. He hasn't been in jail for years, has he? Did he get caught with drugs or something recently that I missed? metirish May 03 2009 08:04 PM Rogers telling anyone to " go away" is priceless . Fman99 May 04 2009 06:07 AM Re: Anyone watching Strawberry's recent book tour ="cooby":ylmtp718]="SteveJRogers":ylmtp718] Can Strawberry just go away, please I mean how many chances at living the clean and narrow is this piece of shit going to have? Guarantee he is back in some sort of trouble in less than three years.[/quote:ylmtp718] As many chances as it takes, just like any other human being deserves to have.[/quote:ylmtp718] Amen to that. The guy's got a substance abuse problem. It's not like he's out killing people. I root for him now just as I did as a kid. HahnSolo May 04 2009 06:49 AM The first mistake was switching to "Huckabee". soupcan May 04 2009 07:08 AM I've got no beef with Straw. While he was a player on the team I rooted for, the guy showed up, played and produced. It was after he left the Mets that all of issues came to light and affected the other teams that he went on to play for. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 04 2009 09:11 AM Rogers, Rogers, Rogers... you gotta relax, son. Wanna go in the back, shoot some pool, blow some lines? SteveJRogers May 04 2009 10:01 AM Fine I understand, but it just is mind numbing after the 1,545th time hearing the same stuff and then hearing about a relaspe or another incident with both him and Gooden. Maybe I'm just too bitter about "what might have been" with both of them. themetfairy May 04 2009 10:25 AM I'm sympathetic to the "what might have been" bitterness. But it's a huge jump from that to calling a human being a "piece of shit." Especially one who has been gracious to my son on a couple of occasions. I hope that he's finally gotten his act together. G-Fafif May 04 2009 11:53 AM There is also the option of tuning him out as he makes the rounds. Ignoring somebody instead of calling him names is a lost art. Nymr83 May 04 2009 12:03 PM was he simultaneously on 50 channels? was he even on two channels? just watch something else if you dont want to see the straw. i probably would have changed the channel myself. Kong76 May 04 2009 04:39 PM sea: Dude, that's what the library is for <<< Collector/Completionist of Mets cards, books, publications -- it's like a sickness. seawolf17 May 04 2009 06:37 PM ="Kong76"]sea: Dude, that's what the library is for <<< Collector/Completionist of Mets cards, books, publications -- it's like a sickness. Ah. I stop at cards. Frayed Knot May 04 2009 08:11 PM ..Got this one? The 1986 "book" by Darryl and Dan Castellano, complete with a forward by Keith Hernandez. 79 pages of pure literature (about 2/3 of it photos) that must have taken upwards of two days to "write".

On with Mike Huckabee right now. Can Strawberry just go away, please I mean how many chances at living the clean and narrow is this piece of shit going to have? Guarantee he is back in some sort of trouble in less than three years.

Delgado's "sometimes we get bored" comment in 2007 is a prime example. There are times where it does seem in interviews, and reactions on the field that this team thinks it is the best team out there, but their play doesn't mesaure up to that. Or they act like the bully in the playground, where you just show that you are capable of fighting back, and they back off.

FINE, in team season sports

="Benjamin Grimm"]Yes, it's been a one-sided rivalry for a long time. I was surprised, when I moved to the Philly suburbs back in 1988, to find so much hatred for the Mets. Philadelphia also has a one-sided rivalry with the Eagles/Cowboys. And in both cases, they have no idea. People here are surprisingly provincial. I'm pretty sure the Dallas side got reved up during the halcyon days of the 1990s, probably still to this day. Dating back to Buddy Ryan supposedly putting bounties on several players, including Troy Aikman, all the way through Michael Irvin's career coming to an end on the Vet turf, and Philly fans cheering the injury.

="Ceetar":123lz2r5]="Edgy DC":123lz2r5]I'm still waiting for the article that says, "You know, it's a good thing this team is winning, because apart from that, they have no heart."[/quote:123lz2r5] Never going to happen. When the Mets start winning, people will be falling over themselves to declare what it was that gave the Mets heart.[/quote:123lz2r5] Not really, in late 2006 the Mets were starting to show signs that they really were a "paper champion" and a team that couldn't take a punch. It would be proven in the NLCS that year. This year's round of "Mets have no heart" is a culmination of the Mets not getting the job done in the aforementioned NLCS, the worst choke job in the history of professional sports, and another choke job last year. Despite the use of small sample size stats, this is really the same tune that has been said about the franchise since 2007. You can actually pinpoint where it all fell apart to the sweep at Atlanta just before the trade deadline in 2006. Pretty much the last "important" games the Mets dominated and showed that they could be "championship material." The Mets haven't showed any kind of killer instinct since, but rather have been acting like the playoffs are entitled to them, that they can just throw out their equipment on the field and beat anyone. Ashie62 May 03 2009 08:07 AM Paper Champion 2006, 2007, 2008, and possibly 2009..Omar Goodbye, Jerry Goodbye. This core group of Mets Reyes, Wright, Beltran..suspect Frayed Knot May 03 2009 08:49 AM ]Not really, in late 2006 the Mets were starting to show signs that they really were a "paper champion" and a team that couldn't take a punch. You mean while they were cruising to a easy NLEast championship? What "signs" - aside from not winning every game by double-digit scores - were those? ]This year's round of "Mets have no heart" is a culmination of the Mets not getting the job done in the aforementioned NLCS, the worst choke job in the history of professional sports, and another choke job last year. Despite the use of small sample size stats, this is really the same tune that has been said about the franchise since 2007. You can actually pinpoint where it all fell apart to the sweep at Atlanta just before the trade deadline in 2006. Pretty much the last "important" games the Mets dominated and showed that they could be "championship material." This is all after-the-fact nonsense, part of a popular theory where something is declared to be fact by those who know they can't be proven wrong because the causes and turning points are retroactively determined only after the scenario plays itself out. batmagadanleadoff May 03 2009 10:23 AM ="SteveJRogers":2iazl18l] Not really, in late 2006 the Mets were starting to show signs that they really were a "paper champion" and a team that couldn't take a punch. It would be proven in the NLCS that year. This year's round of "Mets have no heart" is a culmination of the Mets not getting the job done in the aforementioned NLCS, the worst choke job in the history of professional sports, and another choke job last year.[/quote:2iazl18l] But do you believe all that? And does it mean that a team that doesn't get to the WS has no heart, even when their season ends in the 7th game of the LCS? TheOldMole May 03 2009 11:43 AM The worst choke job in the history of professional sports? What about Sonny Liston in Lewiston, Maine? SteveJRogers May 03 2009 12:28 PM FINE, in team season sports Kong76 May 03 2009 12:45 PM SJJ: The Mets haven't showed any kind of killer instinct since, but rather have been acting like the playoffs are entitled to them <<< Steve, you're just as bad as the guys who get paid by the papers here. How do you measure acting entitled? You (not you, I mean everyone) can get away with lack of killer instinct (although I'm not sure how that's measured either) because they totally blew it late the last two seasons. But acting en- titled? How do you act entitled on a baseball diamond, in interviews, etc. to the point that one can say, "that team looks like it thinks it's entitled?" Phooey, it's just another annoying buzz phrase when you break it down. SteveJRogers May 03 2009 01:19 PM Delgado's "sometimes we get bored" comment in 2007 is a prime example. There are times where it does seem in interviews, and reactions on the field that this team thinks it is the best team out there, but their play doesn't mesaure up to that. Or they act like the bully in the playground, where you just show that you are capable of fighting back, and they back off. Kong76 May 03 2009 01:43 PM I don't remember the bored quote, but I certainly believe you. I still think that when you get into "seems" and reading of "reactions" and derive entitlement it becomes a little bit of a stretch but at least you have a quote to leap from and that's more of an explanation I could get from a source like Wallyworld, et al. Edgy DC May 03 2009 02:32 PM ="SteveJRogers":1flq6nbx]="Ceetar":1flq6nbx]="Edgy DC":1flq6nbx]I'm still waiting for the article that says, "You know, it's a good thing this team is winning, because apart from that, they have no heart."[/quote:1flq6nbx] Never going to happen. When the Mets start winning, people will be falling over themselves to declare what it was that gave the Mets heart.[/quote:1flq6nbx] Not really, in late 2006 the Mets were starting to show signs that they really were a "paper champion" and a team that couldn't take a punch. It would be proven in the NLCS that year. This year's round of "Mets have no heart" is a culmination of the Mets not getting the job done in the aforementioned NLCS, the worst choke job in the history of professional sports, and another choke job last year. Despite the use of small sample size stats, this is really the same tune that has been said about the franchise since 2007. You can actually pinpoint where it all fell apart to the sweep at Atlanta just before the trade deadline in 2006. Pretty much the last "important" games the Mets dominated and showed that they could be "championship material." The Mets haven't showed any kind of killer instinct since, but rather have been acting like the playoffs are entitled to them, that they can just throw out their equipment on the field and beat anyone.[/quote:1flq6nbx] This is about 93% wrong. And "heart" /= "killer instinct"

Time for the first three games against the 2-time defending NL East champs, and the defending World Champs, in their house. 1B Ryan Howard Not to be confused with the character played by B.J. Novak on NBC�s The Office. Batting .288 with 4 homers and 15 RBI on the season. 2B Chase Utley Having another strong season, .342 average, 7 homeruns and 20 RBI 3B Pedro Feliz Batting .323 so far, 2 homers and 14 RBI SS Jimmie Rollins Not getting off to a great start at all, and was benched for Wednesday�s game against Washington, .207 average with 1 homer and 6 RBI LF Raul Ibanez Signed a three year contract with the Phillies after putting up three straight 100 RBI seasons in Seattle, and essentially replaces Met Killer Pat Burrell on the Phillie roster. Currently sporting a .359 average, 7 homers and 17 RBI CF Shane Victorino The Flying Hawaiian, hitting .286 so far, with 3 homers and 15 RBI RF Jayson Werth Batting .260 with 2 homers and 10 RBI C Chris Coste Will be starting in the place of injured Carlos Ruiz. Hitting .175 with 0 homers and 4 RBI The Probable Pitchers: Friday Night, Mike Pelfrey against Chan Ho Park who is 0-0 through 4 games and 3 starts with a 7.16 ERA. Saturday in the Fox Friendly 3:40 slot, Oliver Perez will get another shot against the ageless Jamie Moyer, who is in his 23rd season of MLB and sports a 3-1 record with a 5.09 ERA Sunday afternoon, traditional 1:35 start will see John Maine take the hill against Joe Blantonwho is 0-2 with an 8.41 ERA. Starters that the Mets should miss will be Cole Hamels, who rolled his ankle on Wednesday against the Nationals, but is hopeful to make the start against the Cardinals in St. Louis on Monday. Hamels is actually scheduled to do a bullpen session before Friday�s game in fact. This year has not been a good one for the World Series MVP, as he is 0-2 with a 7.27 ERA. The Mets also miss Brett Myers this series, who is 1-2 with a 4.83 ERA so far. On the Bench the Phillies have: INF Eric Bruntlett INF Miguel Cairo INF Greg Dobbs OF Matt Stairs C Lou Marson And in the pen behind Brad Lidge, who like Hamels is also coming down to earth somewhat this year, 0-1 with a 7.27 ERA and also hampered by inflammation in his right knee, are; Clay Condrey Chad Durbin Scott Eyre J.A. Happ Ryan Madson Jack Taschner Ex Mets are Park and Cairo, as well as former Met coach Sam Perlozzo will be manning the coaching lines at third on Charlie Manuel�s staff. Mets who were Phillies Well ex-Met Marlon Anderson, and recently designated and resigned to Buffalo Nelson Figueroa spent time with the Phillies. Anderson from 1998-2002 and Figueroa in 2001.

Time to SQUISH THE FISH!

Should every October count? Should just the two World Championships, or four NL Pennants be commemorated? Or hell, should the Mets just keep forgetting their past and not even recount all seven Postseason apperances?

Frayed Knot wrote: Ollie has options - meaning they wouldn't have to risk waivers by sending him down - but also, I believe, enough seniority to where he could refuse to be assigned there. Even so, but anything is better than having him crap the bed every start in the bigs. I'd rather have him sent down ala Traschel and Fresno Jones than demote him to the pen.

seawolf17 wrote: Hey! That was Kase! And the DiamondKnights! Someone get a screen capture!

="batmagadanleadoff":3bfkyjaz]="SteveJRogers":3bfkyjaz] Unless they know something we don't and major changes are coming, but since I doubt the Mets are going to make a Revised Edition this year (they haven't in more than a decade now), the book you get tonight, was the same as you got Opening Night, and the same as you should get the final game this year.[/quote:3bfkyjaz] That's not entirely correct. Last season, for example, there was a revised edition yearbook. The yearbook sold at Shea at the end of last season had some pictures that weren't in the first version of the yearbook, including some of the team's later acquisitions. You might not know this (most fans don't) because the front cover remained the same and did not include the "Revised Edition" designation. Anyway, I think that the inflated 2009 YB ebay prices have everything to do with the "new stadium" craze, and nothing else.[/quote:3bfkyjaz] Oh, bugger...that is not good news for my wallet. Nor for snooty vendors are card shows who don't like customers "leafing" through their precious products. batmagadanleadoff Apr 24 2009 10:52 AM Re: Yearbook shortage? ="SteveJRogers":37wifovh]="batmagadanleadoff":37wifovh]="SteveJRogers":37wifovh] Unless they know something we don't and major changes are coming, but since I doubt the Mets are going to make a Revised Edition this year (they haven't in more than a decade now), the book you get tonight, was the same as you got Opening Night, and the same as you should get the final game this year.[/quote:37wifovh] That's not entirely correct. Last season, for example, there was a revised edition yearbook. The yearbook sold at Shea at the end of last season had some pictures that weren't in the first version of the yearbook, including some of the team's later acquisitions. You might not know this (most fans don't) because the front cover remained the same and did not include the "Revised Edition" designation. Anyway, I think that the inflated 2009 YB ebay prices have everything to do with the "new stadium" craze, and nothing else.[/quote:37wifovh] Oh, bugger...that is not good news for my wallet. Nor for snooty vendors are card shows who don't like customers "leafing" through their precious products.[/quote:37wifovh] I think that the 2008 revised YB would be a tough find. In most circumstances, you won't be able to identify a revised version on ebay even if it's being auctioned: the seller probably won't know the nature of his own item, and the revised cover -- likely to be the only photograph used in the auction-- is no different than the original unrevised cover. Also, I think (but am not entirely sure) that the revised version sold only during the Mets last series against Fla. metsguyinmichigan Apr 24 2009 11:15 AM My awesome cousin Mike went to Opening Day and surprised me with a program! As for the yearbooks, I usually wait a month or two and buy it from the Mets Web site. It's not up there yet, but it will be at some point. batmagadanleadoff May 21 2009 04:53 PM Re: Yearbook shortage? ="SteveJRogers"] Oh, bugger...that is not good news for my wallet. Nor for snooty vendors are card shows who don't like customers "leafing" through their precious products. Rogers ... .. A revised 2008 Mets yearbook is being auctioned off on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/2008-METS-FINAL-SHEA-STADIUM-REVISED-YEARBOOK_W0QQitemZ160336752620QQihZ006QQcategoryZ43356QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem By the way, the revised 2008's are labeled "Final Shea Stadium Edition". This should make it easier to find another one, should this ebay auction not work out for you.