nymr83

="Kong76"]FK: Can't remember the last time I Pre-disliked a Met player <<< I have to say this made me laugh out loud when I was lurking at work. Tom Glavine

i think this will end up being a distraction. my prediction: he won't hit enough to deserve to take significant ABs away from church or murphy in the outfield, he'll play a little more than he deserves too because of who he is, he'll still whine and cry about playign time, he'll be gone by July 1st.

i LOVE the new layout, particularly being able to sort a players career by any columns i want

NL East: NYM NL Central: CHC NL West: LAD NL wild card: ARZ AL East: NYY AL Central: CHW AL West: LAA AL wild card: BOS League finals: NL: NYM over LAD AL: LAA over NYY World Series: LAA over NYM NL MVP: Manny Ramirez NL Cy Young: Johan Santana AL MVP: Carlos Quentin AL Cy Young: CC Sabathia Mets win total: 92

In the post this morning Sherman says bad things about the New Yankee stadium while Kevin Kernan has some faint praise for Citi Field (though more dumping on Shea)

No, I don't think the Mets should exercise that right with regard to an employee of a college baseball team playing at their stadium. but i also dont think they did exercise that right.

Give me the Cincinatti series right before the all-star break. i couldnt see the chart properly at work this morning

="Gwreck":2wlwkjea]="batmagadanleadoff":2wlwkjea]="Gwreck":2wlwkjea]This guy wasn't a paying customer, accordingly the rules are different.[/quote:2wlwkjea] Are they? If the student was also considered to be a Met employee at that moment, then I could see the justification. But what about my Roger Angell hypothetical? And what about the complimentary guest tickets that the visiting team is allotted for each game? Does this mean that Brad Lidge's kid can't wear a Phillie cap at Citi Field?[/quote:2wlwkjea] I really think the rules *are* different for the media. If Roger Angell showed up wearing a Phillies hat in the pressbox, I'd be fine with the Mets asking him to remove the hat or leave.[/quote:2wlwkjea] as would i. but lets be clear that theres still no evidence that the METS told or asked this kid to do anything. so far it looks like it was all someone from st johns batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 10:00 AM ="Nymr83":f5xc7li3]as would i. but lets be clear that theres still no evidence that the METS told or asked this kid to do anything. so far it looks like it was all someone from st johns[/quote:f5xc7li3] Understood. I assume that we're all posting hypothetically -- under the premise that we don't know for sure if and why the student was ejected. By the way, I dislike the idea that the Mets could impose a dress code in the press box, although they have the right to, if that's their choice. Otherwise, the slope really has slipped; does this mean that the Phillies broadcasters (e.g. Harry Kalas) can't wear Phillie gear? Edgy DC Apr 02 2009 10:08 AM You know, the Warriors just wanted to walk peacefully through the Orphans' territory, but the Orphans insisted they remove their colors. And we know how that turned out. Centerfield Apr 02 2009 10:43 AM Since we're all up on a pedestal in this thread: The Mets should not limit any clothing, accessories etc. unless it is vulgar, obscene, or distasteful in some way. Other teams' apparel obviously does not fit into this category. I wouldn't want to see the Mets make any such limitations in the press box or in the stands. The obvious exception is employees of the organization, who should wear whatever the fuck the Mets tell them to wear. As such, St. John's, or any other employer, be it the Philly newspapers or otherwise, has every right, and should, if they feel it is necessary, to restrict the apparel of any of their employees during company time. That means if your boss tells you to take off the Phillies jacket, take off the Phillies jacket. If your boss gives you a jacket to wear, put the damn thing on. Turning our attention to loser-Fonzie-wannabe-Philly-Fan...he was not removed from CitiField for his apparel. He was given a choice to follow orders, or quit, from his boss. He chose to quit. The only reason he had to leave was because his job was his basis for being at the game. If he had then gone outside and bought a ticket, he could have come back inside and worn his Phillies jacket and held up a sign that said "St. John's = Big Brother" if he so chose. He did not. So fuck him. Rockin' Doc Apr 02 2009 11:14 AM CF - "The Mets should not limit any clothing, accessories etc. unless it is vulgar, obscene, or distasteful in some way. Other teams' apparel obviously does not fit into this category...." I don't know CF, I find a Yankee cap to be rather distasteful. metsguyinmichigan Apr 02 2009 11:21 AM No employer or team should prevent him from wearing the jacket, but that doesn't mean he should wear it. It's like cheering in the press box. If I stood in there cheering for the Mets, no one would say, "Hey, we're not supposed to cheer up here." But it would be like the giant douchebag signal shining brightly in the Gothom City sky. There would be plenty of eye-rolling and snide remarks, because sportswriters like the "holier than thou" thing. Suprisingly, the opposite of cheer-leading is openly accepted. You could sit there all day saying "Delgado is a bum" and the writers would likely praise your for your knowledge. The exception is questioning St. Derek's range or intangibles. That will get you booted. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 02 2009 11:24 AM It doesn't seem plausible that Mets personnel would have gotten so upset about this when at least several dozen folks in Yank gear-- and probably a handful more in Phil-analia-- were also milling about (having seen a bunch of these vinegary fellows in fan photos). It seems a likelier story that department-head guy was a little antsy about St. John's staff provoking adverse reactions-- even if mild-- on a high-visibility day in a facility that wasn't theirs, and did a bad job of standing his ground when pressed by a smartass ("I'll wear it under the Phils jacket-- what's the problem? No, I haven't eaten shit today-- why do you ask?"). ="batmagadanleadoff"]Oh ... and by the way ... shouldn't the thread title be A Matter of Ph**king Principle? Done and done. (Had been thinking of the Utley quote.) metirish Apr 02 2009 12:40 PM How do we explain this to the Iraqis ? Number 6 Apr 02 2009 09:08 PM To me, there are two things we're talking about here. One is the right of this guy's employer, or the Mets, to dictate what he can and can't wear, and the phan's responsibility to comply. I think CF covered this well; they have a right to tell the guy to take his jacket off. He disagreed, and maybe lost some of the high ground with the passive-aggressive "under the jacket" dickishness, but ultimately he took a stand, no matter how dubious it was, and accepted the consequences. Fine. To me, the more important point is less the right of his employer/the Mets to dictate his dress, but whether they should exercise that right. Let's assume, for the moment, that the order did come from the Mets and not St. John's, and that the phan was as otherwise respectful as he makes himself out to be. Is there anyone who believes that, while retaining the right to do so, the Mets should tell him to take the jacket off? Are Met fans really so childish that a Phillies jacket is an unbearable affront? Would we be OK with the Mets thinking we are? Personally, it really chafes me when I see people wearing Yankees, Braves or Phillies gear to games when that team isn't in the park. And while I don't think it's appropriate for the Mets or anyone else to restrict their right to wear that gear, I am very comfortable with my personal right to judge them. This kid's a dick, but let him broadcast that fact in peace. Nymr83 Apr 03 2009 06:16 AM No, I don't think the Mets should exercise that right with regard to an employee of a college baseball team playing at their stadium. but i also dont think they did exercise that right. batmagadanleadoff Apr 03 2009 06:52 AM ="Nymr83"]No, I don't think the Mets should exercise that right with regard to an employee of a college baseball team playing at their stadium. but i also dont think they did exercise that right. Me neither. This matter was probably purely between the student and the university. I'd also bet that the student wasn't being entirely objective when he posted his account, and probably shaded the story somewhat so as to favor him. I don't think that the Mets ever enforced any kind of dress code at Shea concerning opposing teams gear -- in the press box or anywhere else. I assume that nothing will change at Citi Field. Ashie62 Apr 03 2009 09:45 AM Elaine..You cannot wear the Oriloles hat in mr. Steinbrenner's box!

the chart is one big mess to me, maybe its a work-computer issue? i'll take the dregs when other people have picked

It seems fairly clear from his posting that it was St. Johns, not the New York Mets, who complained about his jacket. And he wasn't kicked out as he claims, by his own words he chose to leave, no security guards in tow.

1. First hit MURPHY 2. First double MURPHY 3. First triple REYES 4. First home run DELGADO 5. First stolen base REYES 6. First baserunner caught stealing/picked off REYES 7. First guy to hit into a double-play CHURCH 8. First batter to strike out WRIGHT 9. First fielder to commit an error CASTILLO 10. First guy to score a run MURPHY 11. First guy to drive in a run DELGADO 12. First Met player to field a batted ball in fair territory REYES 13. First Met to draw a walk BELTRAN 14. First Met relief pitcher to make an appearance GREEN 15. First Met to reach base on an error REYES 16. First winning Met pitcher PUTZ 17. First Met pitcher to be relieved in the middle of an inning PEREZ 18. First Met to to plunk an opposing batter PEREZ 19. First Met to be hit by a pitch DELGADO 20. First Met pinch-hitter TATIS

one disadvantage of working in an office is i dont feel comfortable anymore googling a giant image of the marshmallow man and posting it here, so please use your imagination.

Arizona- 86.5 UNDER Atlanta- 83.5 UNDER Baltimore- 73.5 UNDER Boston- 94.5 OVER Chicago C- 91.5 OVER Chicago W- 79.5 OVER Cincinnati- 80.5 UNDER Cleveland- 85.5 OVER Colorado- 77.5 UNDER Detroit- 82.5 UNDER Florida- 76.5 OVER Houston- 74.5 UNDER Kansas City- 75.5 OVER LA Angels- 89.5 OVER LA Dodgers- 82.5 OVER Milwaukee- 80.5 OVER Minnesota- 83.5 OVER NY Mets- 88.5 OVER NY Yankees- 97.5 UNDER Oakland- 81.5 UNDER Philadelphia- 87.5 OVER Pittsburgh- 69.5 OVER San Diego- 71.5 OVER San Francisco- 80.5 UNDER Seattle- 72.5 OVER St. Louis- 82.5 UNDER Tampa Bay- 87.5 UNDER Texas- 73.5 UNDER Toronto- 80.5 OVER Washington- 71.5 UNDER

="Centerfield":35p2gq1m]I vote for "Black Mamba".[/quote:35p2gq1m] Already taken by Manny Ramirez. That guy is just poisonous to clubhouses. soupcan Mar 30 2009 12:41 PM The Nightcrawler & Black Mamba references have gone completely over my head. metirish Mar 30 2009 12:44 PM Nightcrawler brings back fun memories, Val at his best I think. I would hope the archives have that old nicknames thread. Centerfield Mar 30 2009 12:49 PM Black Mamba was the nickname given to himself by Kobe Bryant. Say what you want about other nicknames, the height of douchebaggery is trying to give yourself a cool sounding nickname and being the only one to use it. Edgy DC Mar 30 2009 12:50 PM The birth of Nightcrawler: http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/1700/f1_t1720.shtml Benjamin Grimm Mar 30 2009 12:53 PM How were you able to find that during a time when the archives index is busted? I'm rather impressed. seawolf17 Mar 30 2009 12:57 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":1c2fy3mi]How were you able to find that during a time when the archives index is busted?[/quote:1c2fy3mi] No wonder I couldn't find my lyrics to "Hey Doug Mientkiewicz" this morning. Benjamin Grimm Mar 30 2009 01:00 PM See "Bitch to the Admins." I hope to get it fixed tomorrow. Meanwhile, I had forgotten that Valadius was using "Creator of Nightcrawler and the Jake Monster" as his automatic signature line. Sheesh. Edgy DC Mar 30 2009 01:00 PM Searching with The Google. metirish Mar 30 2009 01:11 PM "Creator of Nightcrawler and the Jake Monster" tough to beat that.....funny to read back over it. Val proud as a new father with his nicknames. seawolf17 Mar 30 2009 01:14 PM That's a great thread. Benjamin Grimm Mar 30 2009 01:45 PM This is the Nightcrawler thread that I remember best: http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/2300/f1_t2382.shtml metirish Mar 30 2009 01:59 PM Best post ever by Val. Not everyone would share like that. Someone should tell the Seattle fans who Mr. Cellophane is.

="Edgy DC":kuqqj8fu]="smg58":kuqqj8fu]The deal was one of Minaya's worst, if not the worst.[/quote:kuqqj8fu] Matt Lindstrom and Henry Owens to the Marlins for Jason Vargas and Adam Bostick demands a recount.[/quote:kuqqj8fu] I'd rather have Lindstrom back than Bell, and I thought Ben Johnson had good PH potential at the time. Weren't both trades forced by all 4 players we gave away being out of options? Centerfield Mar 30 2009 12:21 PM Say what you want about those trades, (you can throw Bannister/Burgos in for good measure) the worst Omar move was 4 years to Castillo. Benjamin Grimm Mar 30 2009 12:23 PM That one still has a chance to redeem itself, I suppose, but it's hard to argue that it was a deal worth making. Edgy DC Mar 30 2009 12:26 PM I understood however that the subject was trades. OlerudOwned Mar 30 2009 12:47 PM ="Edgy DC":yb0i782g]="smg58":yb0i782g]The deal was one of Minaya's worst, if not the worst.[/quote:yb0i782g] Matt Lindstrom and Henry Owens to the Marlins for Jason Vargas and Adam Bostick demands a recount.[/quote:yb0i782g] I could see the impetus for that trade. Two right-handed relief pitchers for two left-handed starters. Unfortunately, both lefty starters sucked.

]The ribbon board needs to include the pitch count and pitch speed information pitch count only would be fine with me, i dont really care what the juiced-up stadium gun says someone is throwing today

="metsguyinmichigan":2jxrav98]I'd make that deal over and over and over and over again.[/quote:2jxrav98] i think any deal of "prospects for the best pitcher in the league" is one you'll make over and over again. the problem comes when you trade prospects for mediocrities. those prospects might not pan out, but i'd rather have them over the mediocrity. Fman99 Mar 30 2009 07:06 AM ="metsguyinmichigan":3c0nogrw]I'd make that deal over and over and over and over again.[/quote:3c0nogrw] Yep. Edgy DC Mar 30 2009 07:13 AM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Mar 30 2009 07:27 AM SeasonIP200086.0200143.72002108.32003158.32004228.0There's still an art to it. The "best pitcher in the league" is still a cloudy designation, and good pitching can still be frustratingly ephemeral (maybe moreso in the post-roids era). And four eggs can be safer --- if not better --- than one, when shells crack so easily. That said, if you've got to choose a pitcher to hitch your wagon to, Santana seems like a good one --- excellent condition, not velocity-dependent. The same was true of Mike Hampton once upon a time, but he tended to nibble and waste pitches and Johan certainly doesn't. I also love the way the Twins, by plan or chance, built up his workload tenderly and with feeling. (See table.) Did you know that he wanted to be a shortstop like his dad, but when told that lefties couldn't play shortstop, he learned to throw righthanded? It's all here in this fine little wikibio at baseball-reference.com. John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 30 2009 07:17 AM You got to wonder in the meantime whether the MFYs' official benching of Melky for Brett F. Gardner -- not to mention the fact that Hughes and Kennedy are still minor leaguers -- does anything to alert the columnists to the possibility that the MFYs might not in fact have possessed a better package, then or now. Eat shit. seawolf17 Mar 30 2009 07:20 AM B-b-b-but they're the Yankees! Of course their prospects are better than anyone else's! You're making Wally cry. dgwphotography Mar 30 2009 08:22 AM I would make that trade over and over and over again for just for September 27th Centerfield Mar 30 2009 08:26 AM ="Fman99":12mt6mrj]="metsguyinmichigan":12mt6mrj]I'd make that deal over and over and over and over again.[/quote:12mt6mrj] Yep.[/quote:12mt6mrj] Wait, do the Twins have more Santanas? Because we've got more prospects that are going nowhere. Somebody get me a phone... OlerudOwned Mar 30 2009 12:02 PM ="Centerfield":1suu27vu]="Fman99":1suu27vu]="metsguyinmichigan":1suu27vu]I'd make that deal over and over and over and over again.[/quote:1suu27vu] Yep.[/quote:1suu27vu] Wait, do the Twins have more Santanas? Because we've got more prospects that are going nowhere. Somebody get me a phone...[/quote:1suu27vu] Liriano's gotta get paid eventually. TheOldMole Mar 30 2009 05:24 PM I think any team that would start a guy named Brett over a guy named Melky has no poetry in its soul. The Twins have a player named Boof? RealityChuck Mar 30 2009 05:28 PM ="TheOldMole":1wbwl9sx]I think any team that would start a guy named Brett over a guy named Melky has no poetry in its soul. The Twins have a player named Boof?[/quote:1wbwl9sx] Yes. John Wilkes Boof. Something of a hothead. OlerudOwned Mar 30 2009 06:02 PM Speaking of trades with the Twins, former Mets prospect and Castillo trade piece Drew Butera is apparently on the inside track to start the season in the majors to hold place for the injured Joe Mauer. Edgy DC Mar 30 2009 06:13 PM Some pretty shallow organizational depth they've got there. The guy his .219 last year while repeating AA. He did get his share of walks, but skipping a level is a tall order. Ashie62 Mar 30 2009 06:22 PM They say trade Potential for the Proven..give or take 20 Million..Nice deal for the Mets regardless of how the traded do. I have a soft spot for Carlos Gomez..I hope he can become a 20-20 guy. The speed is there Edgy DC Mar 30 2009 06:41 PM You actually said you wanted to undo this trade back when you were calling him "Carlos Lopez." You additionally said that "Lopez" would be a Yankee in a few years leading us all to fits of regret. Kong76 Mar 30 2009 06:52 PM ny83: i think any deal of "prospects for the best pitcher in the league" is one you'll make over and over again. the problem comes when you trade prospects for mediocrities. those prospects might not pan out, but i'd rather have them over the mediocrity. Yuh, duh, and wuh? ... in that order. Santana's Jay Horowitz impersonation tonight in a dugout interview was pretty damn funny too. Ashie62 Mar 30 2009 09:00 PM ="Edgy DC":3vitneyz]You actually said you wanted to undo this trade back when you were calling him "Carlos Lopez." You additionally said that "Lopez" would be a Yankee in a few years leading us all to fits of regret.[/quote:3vitneyz] Lighten up Francis...We've got a pennant to win..To the batcave!

sorry, i felt it had to be done, ten teams is just laughably small, worse than a standard yahoo league. the free agent pool is thick enough as is without throwing 40 more players in there. maybe a 2nd utility guy would have made people happier than a 2nd catcher but this was last minute when we realized how empty we were. next year we'll cap the teams at 12 and go NL only.

29 including the bench. how long that takes will depend on how many people show up

i've increased the roster requirements as we are now down to a sickeningly low 10 owners

my NL-only auction is that day or i'd be there. enjoy yourselves!

things i wont miss about spring training: 1. a lack of fantasy baseball to check in on every 5 minutes 2. arod stories, with the inevitable jeter ass-kiss thrown in (ok, those will still be there in the regular season, but i wont be reading them as much.)

Good for Beltran.