Wins doesn't impact a manager's decision making nearly as much as saves do, but it does sometimes come into play. Like when a pitcher has an 8-run lead and two outs in the fourth, but he's getting pounded and the manager leaves him in too long. I don't like seeing that either, but fortunately it's rare. The save statistic is the one that really bugs me. Not the stat itself, but the way managers revere it. Why did Erik Goeddel pitch the 10th inning in Atlanta last week? Because Familia had to be held back until he had a chance to get a save. Makes no sense at all. Gary Cohen brought that up, said that "some people" think that the right move would be to use Familia sooner and not wait. Keith pooped all over that notion. Said he was with Terry on this. If Goeddel is on the team, then he needs to be able to get people out. And that (sorry Keith) is a stupid argument. Sure, he has to be able to get people out, but managers have to be able to choose the right situation to use each player. And Terry often fails to do that, at least regarding the bullpen. If I ever had the power to fire Terry Collins, his use of the bullpen would be the reason I'd do it.