Benjamin Grimm

VOTING FOR THIS GAME IS NOW CLOSED Totals for May 16, 2009 (10 votes) New York Mets 9, San Francisco Giants 6 NameTotal PointsPoints AwardedPlayer PerformanceCarlos Beltran20.052.003-5, 3 R, 2 2B, 3 RBI.David Wright19.151.923-5, R, 2B, 3 RBI.Johan Santana18.451.84(W) 7.0 IP, 11 H, 4 ER, 0 BB, 7 SO.Gary Sheffield12.701.273-4, 2 R, BB.Ramon Castro7.850.782-5, 2 RBI, SO.Bobby Parnell6.700.671.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 2 SO.Alex Cora6.300.632-5, 2 R, 2B, SB.J. J. Putz5.300.53(Sv) 1.0 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 SO.Fernando Tatis1.250.120-4, RBI, SO.Luis Castillo0.250.021-4, R, BB, SB.

VOTING FOR THIS GAME IS NOW CLOSED Totals for May 15, 2009 (12 votes) New York Mets 8, San Francisco Giants 6 NameTotal PointsPoints AwardedPlayer PerformanceDavid Wright42.303.523-5, R, 2B, 4 RBI, 2 SO, SB.Gary Sheffield16.301.362-4, 3 R, 2B, BB, SO.Omir Santos8.150.680-3, 2 RBI, 3 SO.Daniel Murphy7.500.621-1, RBI.Francisco Rodriguez7.150.60(Sv) 1.0 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 SO.Pedro Feliciano7.050.591.0 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 SO.Ryan Church6.150.512-5, R, SO, SB.Brian Stokes6.050.50(W) 1.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 0 SO.Livan Hernandez5.900.495.0 IP, 8 H, 5 ER, 0 BB, 4 SO.Carlos Beltran4.800.401-3, R, 2 BB, SO, SB.Jeremy Reed4.250.352-3, SO.Luis Castillo1.350.111-5, 2 R, SB.Fernando Tatis0.950.081-1, 2B, BB.

Yesterday it was Cookie Lavagetto, and he's leading so far today as well. I know I dropped his name in this forum yesterday, because of his role in the famous Marv Throneberry story. It looks like I wasn't the only one. (No real surprise there.) Some mention somewhere is causing Cookie to get Googled. (By the way, it's kind of funny that the Mets have had two base coaches named Cookie and one named Mookie.)

Were we aware of John Goodman's Mets background? He was on with David Letterman last week, and he told of how when he was younger he'd gather up his nickels and take the 7 train to Shea to get the cheap Upper Deck seats, and then he'd sneak down to the better seats during the game.

Okay, but in May, he's fifth in at bats: Carlos Beltran 67 David Wright 63 Luis Castillo 54 Jos� Reyes 53 Ryan Church 49 Fernando Tatis 47 Gary Sheffield 40 Daniel Murphy 40 Ramon Castro 37 Alex Cora 30

True, but it's kind of hard to argue that he's been buried when only one outfielder has had more playing time than he has.

I'm waiting to hear what Cookie Lavagetto has to say about it.

When you have outfielders, you play them in the infield.

Ryan Church is actually fourth on the team in at bats. Only Beltran, Wright, and Reyes have more.

Redding 2.75 Parnell 1 Putz 1 Feliciano 0.5 Stokes 0.5 Sheffield 1 Wright 1 Pagan 2.25

The final three games from the Mets weekend series in San Francisco will close some time on Wednesday: Schaefer POTG 5/15/09 - Mets 8, Giants 6Schaefer POTG 5/16/09 - Mets 9, Giants 6Schaefer POTG 5/17/09 - Giants 2, Mets 0If you still have votes to cast, try to get them posted today.

Pelfrey 3 Takahashi 1 Green 1 Cora 0.3 Beltran 0.3

Feliciano 1 Stokes 1 Rodriguez 1 Wright 3 Santos 1 Sheffield 2 Murphy 1

Santana 1.8 Parnell 0.8 Putz 0.8 Beltran 2.3 Wright 2.3 Tatis 0.5 Castro 0.5 Sheffield 1

Sometimes I think, "we need a hit here" but in that sense I'm more thinking of we, the fans, not we, the team.

metirish awarded 10.25 points, and his votes were pro-rated as follows: wright 2.93 maine 2.93 sheffield 1.46 beltran 1.22 castro 0.49 rodriguez 0.49 stokes 0.49 VOTING FOR THIS GAME IS NOW CLOSED Totals for May 14, 2009 (11 votes) New York Mets 7, San Francisco Giants 4 NameTotal PointsPoints AwardedPlayer PerformanceDavid Wright32.282.933-3, R, 2 RBI, 2 BB, 4 SB.John Maine29.382.676.2 IP, 7 H, 2 ER, 4 BB, 4 SO.Gary Sheffield15.211.382-4, 2 R, 2B, RBI, BB, SB.Carlos Beltran12.671.152-5, 2 R, 2B, 2 SO, SB.Ramon Castro9.940.901-4, R, 2 RBI, BB, SO.Francisco Rodriguez6.590.60(Sv) 1.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 SO.Brian Stokes2.770.250.1 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 0 SO.Alex Cora0.250.021-4, R, BB, SB.

Oops, maybe this is the wound-licking thread.

This is the wound-licking thread?

I very rarely use the "we." A Phillies fan I know asked me last week, "Did you guys win last night?" and I had no idea what he was talking about.

="Edgy DC":3k4xmzsl] I unexpectedly watched two movies in two days with Carlos Delgado references. [/quote:3k4xmzsl] Really? What movies reference Carlos Delgado? HahnSolo May 19 2009 07:03 AM I'll guess the Fever Pitch remake, and that Costner movie when he was a pitcher with the Tigers. OE: but wait, would Edgy actually watch either of those? Probably not. soupcan May 19 2009 07:05 AM NYPost is speculatin' about where the Mets new 1Bman is going to come from... ]Although Manuel isn't pushing for a deal, he said last week that GM Omar Minaya has been working the phones lately in an attempt to acquire a first baseman. Trade possibilities include Nick Johnson, Aubrey Huff and Mark DeRosa. However, anything more than a low-rent addition is considered a long shot because the Mets already have a payroll near $150 million and don't want to increase it due to luxury-tax considerations. Free-agent options include Richie Sexson, who played for the Yankees last season, and Jose Vidro. They say Johnson and DeRosa are both in the last year of their respective contracts and are both making $5.5mill. Huff is also in his walk year and making $8mill. soupcan sez: Offer the Padres the farm for Adrian Gonzalez and Peavy. Fernando Martinez, Parnell, Maine or Pelfrey. Anybody they want not named Reyes or Wright. soupcan May 19 2009 07:09 AM FYI - ]Gonzalez gets $9.5 mil deal through 2010 By Bill Center UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER April 2, 2007 Adrian Gonzalez wanted security. The Padres wanted Adrian Gonzalez free of salary haggles. �So we compromised,� said John Boggs, the first baseman's agent. �Both sides didn't get exactly what they wanted, which means it's probably a good deal.� The Padres and Gonzalez, 25, yesterday announced a $9.5 million contract that runs through 2010 with the club holding an option for 2011 at $5.5 million. John Cougar Lunchbucket May 19 2009 07:16 AM Gimmee Nick the Stick. soupcan May 19 2009 07:59 AM C'mon - I never make WATPs. Maine or Pelfrey + Fmart, Parnell and anyone from the ML roster (Murphy?) exceptin' Reyes and Wright for Peavy and Adrian Gonzalez. Gonzalez has a great contract but Peavy's making boatloads. Discuss...! Rockin' Doc May 19 2009 10:50 AM The first time you proposed that deal I somehow missed Peavey's name. I though you were proposing Ganzalez for Maine (or Pelfrey), FMartinez, Parnell, plus another ML roster player and I assumed that Soup had taken leave of his senses. After the second posting of his proposal, I caught the full extent of the trade and it isn't nearly so crazy. Peavey would give the Mets a solid top of the rotation when paired with Santana and Gonzalez is a 27 year old slugger that should be just entering his prime. None of the players the Mets would be giving up in that deal offer such credentials. The more I think about this WATP, the more I like it. Of course, what is in it for the Padres? Why would they want to unload a pair of all-stars for 3 good players and a prospect. Other than a salary dump, I don't see why they would go for it. Anyway it was interesting to ponder, even though I expect I'm more likely to win the lottery this weekend than this trade is to occur. John Cougar Lunchbucket May 19 2009 10:58 AM This is crazy talk. Fartinez is hitting the shit out of the ball at AAA and Church couldn't be more in the doghouse. It's crazy, but I think we're gonna need a corner outfielder just as bad as a first baseman or starting pitching before its all over. Peavy of course has a NT clause that he'd surely hammer us with, if not to reject NY entirely then to squeeze out years and $$$ you know we won;t spend. Plus for as good as Peavy is I don't trust him. I would guess we get the 1Bman that's easiest to get with what we have to trade, i.e.: Church, Murphy/Evans, maybe some young pitcher) and promote Fartinez to be a corner outfielder in a time-share with Sheff/Tatis/Murphy/Reed. Centerfield May 19 2009 11:58 AM The Mets say 10 weeks for Delgado. I think that puts him into August. soupcan May 19 2009 12:10 PM ="Rockin' Doc":yd8sr0ng]Of course, what is in it for the Padres? Why would they want to unload a pair of all-stars for 3 good players and a prospect. Other than a salary dump, I don't see why they would go for it. [/quote:yd8sr0ng] The Pods would do it as a Peavy salary dump. And they have been actively trying to deal him. They have no reason to trade Adrian so they'd have to be enticed. that's why I'm giving them Fartinez and Parnell and/or whover else they want. ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":yd8sr0ng]This is crazy talk.[/quote:yd8sr0ng] I know, right? ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":yd8sr0ng]Peavy of course has a NT clause that he'd surely hammer us with, if not to reject NY entirely then to squeeze out years and $$$ you know we won;t spend. Plus for as good as Peavy is I don't trust him. [/quote:yd8sr0ng] Hmmm, I forgot about the NT and Peavy's aversion to NYC. And you're right about the $$$$. ="Centerfield":yd8sr0ng]The Mets say 10 weeks for Delgado. I think that puts him into August.[/quote:yd8sr0ng] That's a long time without a firstbaseman. Edgy DC May 19 2009 12:27 PM We have a firstbaseman. His name is Daniel Murphy. Put him there and watch him hit. He's not Carlos Delgado. But I'm certain he can do a damn good Dave Magadan imitation. And that's not such an awful thing for 6-10 weeks. In fact, I predict there'll be a minor controversy when Delgado comes back. At least, there would be. John Cougar Lunchbucket May 19 2009 12:32 PM Murphy if he continues at his current clip would basically be the 2nd or 3rd worst 1Bman in the league, offensively, and that's before considering defense. I'm not so sure. Edgy DC May 19 2009 12:38 PM And I'm betting he won't. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 19 2009 12:40 PM The Pods wanted a pretty good amount of stuff-- the rumored package at the time the Braves broke off negotiations was Escobar, Gorkys Hernandez (think Jacoby Ellsbury), Kris Medlen (think Adam Wainwright) and Charlie Morton/Jo-Jo Reyes-- for Peavy alone this offseason. For a young, improving, multi-tool player with unlimited marketing possibilities in SoCal (good-looking Mex-American) at an affordably locked-down price? They'd want a Reyes, at least. ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":1115lmqh]Gimmee Nick the Stick.[/quote:1115lmqh] Seconded. But what are you giving? Given the team we're dealing with, it'll take young pitching. (Parnell? Parnell and Niese?) Frayed Knot May 19 2009 01:44 PM The Braves reportedly balked over the Pads insistence that they include pitching uber-prospect Tommy Hansen in any deal for Peavy. Hansen is really good and nearly ready -- a description that doesn't really fit anyone in the Met system. Natonals need pitching, pitching, and more pitching. Ceetar May 19 2009 01:50 PM ="Frayed Knot":1cys9nqh]The Braves reportedly balked over the Pads insistence that they include pitching uber-prospect Tommy Hansen in any deal for Peavy. Hansen is really good and nearly ready -- a description that doesn't really fit anyone in the Met system. Natonals need pitching, pitching, and more pitching.[/quote:1cys9nqh] True, but they do have Strasburg coming if they want him. Frayed Knot May 19 2009 01:57 PM That's one, now they just need nine more. OK maybe seven, but that includes an entire bullpen. btw, Peavy is already signed thru 2012 (2013 if you count the option) at pretty big bucks. I'm not sure he could finagle more money out of whatever team he holds no-trades against. In his case he's a southern boy who just may be one of the few to put NYC on his no-trade because he really doesn't want to be here. Most just simply put big-market teams on there figuring the small market won't deal for him anyway - effectively giving them a near complete N-T clause. Johnson, to my surprise, is only signed thru this season at $5.5 and will be a FA after that. Would make for a crowded 1B bag come August (he was barely competent in the OF before he snapped his leg in two) however I think Washington would be eager to move him ... but for a price Ugarte, for a price. John Cougar Lunchbucket May 19 2009 02:11 PM Rubin: ] Omar Minaya is holding a conference call with reporters regarding Carlos Delgado and the first baseman's projected 10-week absence. Minaya reiterated that it should be a 10-week absence based on the track record of other players who have had this procedure. He also insisted that the Mets would handle this from within. Minaya named Fernando Tatis and Daniel Murphy as the primary first baseman, only secondarily mentioning Jeremy Reed. Still, Minaya said he's "always involved" talking to clubs. "We will continue to be active in conversation with clubs," Minaya said, saying that concerns first baseman, starting pitching, relief pitching and everything else. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 19 2009 03:17 PM ="Frayed Knot":p0qejxb2]The Braves reportedly balked over the Pads insistence that they include pitching uber-prospect Tommy Hansen in any deal for Peavy. Hansen is really good and nearly ready -- a description that doesn't really fit anyone in the Met system. Natonals need pitching, pitching, and more pitching.[/quote:p0qejxb2] As I understood it, they'd been rebuffed for Hanson from square one. At that point, they went and asked for Medlen instead. Which, considering that a good number of major league personnel types seem to like Medlen at least as much as Hanson, is a bit like getting turned down for a handjob from your date, then asking for a handjob using your date's mouth. And, yeah, the Nationals need pitching... in volume. Stephen Strasburg is... ONLY... ONE... MAN! duan May 19 2009 04:07 PM aubrey huff might be a whole lot better an option, in that he's been known to play the OF badly rather then terribly. And you can't see the Orioles expecting too much when he's on $8 million. Ashie62 May 19 2009 11:12 PM 10 weeks in metspeak..I hesitate to say this, but Nick Johnson anyone, he crushes the Mets Edgy DC May 19 2009 11:26 PM About four people have already invoked Johnson. Frayed Knot May 20 2009 09:06 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 20 2009 09:14 AM ="Ashie62":1y5sbx17]10 weeks in metspeak..I hesitate to say this, but Nick Johnson anyone, [u:1y5sbx17]he crushes the Mets[/u:1y5sbx17][/quote:1y5sbx17] If by "crushes" you mean, 'hits worse than usual' well then, sure. .248/.380/.431 vs Mets (153 ABs) .273/.398/.457 overall career Swan Swan H May 20 2009 09:09 AM ="Edgy DC":nctew171]About four people have already invoked Johnson.[/quote:nctew171] I think Irish invoked Johnson in the David Wright thread. metirish May 20 2009 09:20 AM ="Swan Swan H":3dc1g4jv]="Edgy DC":3dc1g4jv]About four people have already invoked Johnson.[/quote:3dc1g4jv] I think Irish invoked Johnson in the David Wright thread.[/quote:3dc1g4jv] LOL Has Helton been mentioned yet? , it's an annual rite of passage that he does. Edgy DC May 20 2009 09:27 AM When Darryl Strawberry went down in 1985, did everybody try to imagine trades for Dave Parker or Glenn Wilson or Gary Ward? LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 20 2009 11:23 AM ="Edgy DC":1t1tj5go]When Darryl Strawberry went down in 1985, did everybody try to imagine trades for Dave Parker or Glenn Wilson or Gary Ward?[/quote:1t1tj5go] Strawberry wasn't 36-going-on-37, and was signed for another 4 years. (Also, the fanbase/media corps wasn't quite as touchy, no?) Edgy DC May 20 2009 11:31 AM On one hand, I'm pretty sure two more weeks of Darryl Strawberry being available could have been the difference in 1985. On the other hand, I still wish folks would cool it with trade talk and the Mets would put Murphy and Tatis at first and re-stock at AAA. metsguyinmichigan May 20 2009 12:02 PM Nick Johnson has Yankee taint. Ick. So does Redding, but he logged more innings in his first start with us than he did in his entire Yankee career. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 20 2009 02:08 PM ="metsguyinmichigan":2ujf6l3z]So does Redding, but he logged more innings in his first start with us than he did in his entire Yankee career.[/quote:2ujf6l3z] ZZ Tim has the additional Yankee taint of growing up a Rochester MFY fan. Benjamin Grimm May 20 2009 02:13 PM I don't see the point of worrying too much about "taint." (I was really surprised about how so many Mets fans couldn't forgive Tom Glavine for having once been a Brave. I could see not liking a guy who's proven to be a jerk or a thug. I'm glad Roger Clemens never became a Met, and I hope that Michael Vick never does. (That would be pretty darn unlikely, anyway.) But to not want a guy just because he was once a Yankee or a Brave or a Phillie just doesn't make sense to me. Centerfield May 20 2009 02:56 PM joelmon > CPF posters LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 22 2009 01:01 PM Pertinent to our conversation in terms of market-gauging, Gammons on trade rumors regarding a few potential trade targets: ]The Nats have few chips to move. Nick Johnson and Austin Kearns should get action, although there has been little thus far. Boston wants to wait on David Ortiz and tabled a proposal of Johnson for Manny Delcarmen. and ]Indians GM Mark Shapiro says he spends "40 percent of my time denying false reports." ... Yes, with Jhonny Peralta's move to third base, he would deal Mark DeRosa for major league-ready pitching but otherwise will hold onto DeRosa into June. Something like Parnell for Johnson seems about right. Would you pull that trigger? And DeRosa almost certainly would require at least Jon Niese (along with something-- or somethings-- like Kunz or Gee as a deal-sweetener). metirish May 22 2009 01:11 PM I'd pull the trigger on Johnson, what would Boston do with Johnson? smg58 May 22 2009 01:52 PM The Indians got DeRosa for three prospects not on their top-20 list. If they get somebody like Niese or more than that, they will have gotten a very nice return on their investment -- especially since DeRosa has paid rather tepid dividends up to this point. My interest in Johnson depends on Delgado's status. Although, if Delgado is back before the deadline, we would be in a position to trade one of them and get back at least the equivalent of what we first gave up. (Assuming we don't overpay, that is.) But the combination of Murphy at first and Sheffield, Beltran, and Church in the outfield (with Tatis playing somewhere against lefties) isn't so bad that I'd compromise our bullpen. Frayed Knot May 22 2009 02:37 PM Remember that whatever trade goes down will be only for [u:21jaadak]4 months of Nick Johnson[/u:21jaadak] (and that's only if he stays healthy). We'd have to either extend him or bid on the open market for him after that. Not sure how baseball people would view Parnell or Neise in comparison to Delcarman Ashie62 May 22 2009 03:38 PM Nick Johnson is worth lower level prospects at best. Would never trade Parnell for a guy who could easily miss 2 months breaking his wrist falling out of bed.. Kearns does nothing for me. An expensive Michael Young was moved to 3rd and peddled in the off season. Maybe Texas would take Castillo as part of something.

If they replaced the black with either of these choices, it would be a great leap forward.

Confession: I don't think I've watched a Yankee telecast since I was a kid, and the games were done by Bill White and Phil Rizzuto. So I'm just taking everyone's word that the current team is a bunch of idiots.

The Mets had their worst broadcast team in 1982. Lorn Brown seemed to suck the life out of Ralph Kiner, and the booth was dreary. The approach I took was like I take now when I'm watching the opposing team's broadcast, or a network announcing team; I focus less on the words and just pay attention to the images. I suppose I'd do the same if the Mets had mindless shills in their booth. I thikn, though, that we (or at least, I) set a lower bar for our own guys. There are times when I'm listening to Gary, Keith, and/or Ron and I think, if I wasn't a Mets fan watching right now, I'd be groaning and calling them a group of clowns.

You know, we'd all like to see Bobby Valentine come back. (I'm included in that group.) But I think I'd almost rather see Davey Johnson come back. I think he'd be a good for this particular team. Not at all likely to happen, of course, but if I were in charge, I'd consider reaching out to him.

="metsguyinmichigan":2lrua0dp]I'd vote C -- orange letters AND the piping.[/quote:2lrua0dp] I'd vote for that option too. Combining A and B like you suggest would yield the best result. John Cougar Lunchbucket May 18 2009 12:08 PM I think I'm a B man, the different colors of letters and numbers don't bother me much. Farmer Ted May 18 2009 12:09 PM Neither, they look like my sister pajamas. soupcan May 18 2009 12:45 PM B, but again I hate them both. At least I hate them less than black though. Benjamin Grimm May 18 2009 12:58 PM If they replaced the black with either of these choices, it would be a great leap forward. metirish May 18 2009 01:06 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":1a0ax3iq]If they replaced the black with either of these choices, it would be a great leap forward.[/quote:1a0ax3iq] I'll be in the minority here and not just because I'm a foreigner but I would take the black unis over this garbage. John Cougar Lunchbucket May 18 2009 01:08 PM ="metirish":2vqjntdb]="Benjamin Grimm":2vqjntdb]If they replaced the black with either of these choices, it would be a great leap forward.[/quote:2vqjntdb] I'll be in the minority here and not just because I'm a foreigner but I would take the black unis over this garbage.[/quote:2vqjntdb] Booo! Go back to Russia.