Qualifying Offers

[Frayed Knot]

The rules in last year's CBA agreement* have tampered down the importance of this mechanism in the free agency process, but yesterday was the deadline for QOs.
$17.4 million is the number for this year and a total of nine players received one from their 2017 teams.

Jake Arrieta - Cubs
Lorenzo Cain - Royals
Alex Cobb - Rays
Wade Davis - Cubs
Greg Holland - Rockies
Eric Hosmer - Royals
Lance Lynn - Cardinals
Mike Moustakas - Royals
Carlos Santana - Indians

Among the more significant players who did not receive offers were Zack Cozart (Reds), Andrew Cashner (Rangers), Logan Morrison (Rays)

The nine offers ties a low mark in the brief history of the QO (with 2012, the first year the QO was in effect) and is less than half of the 20 QOs that were offered in 2015. Whether that's due to just the
circumstances as to which players were eligible this year or is the result of a more cautious approach from clubs caused by players actually accepting offers more readily in recent years is unclear.




* Draft Pick Compensation

The system of draft pick compensation will change drastically. Under the previous agreement, teams signing players who had rejected qualifying offers from their previous team would forfeit their
highest unprotected pick.
Now, a team signing a QO free agent will be subject to the following rules:

• A non-market disqualified Revenue Sharing Payee team (i.e. a team that receives revenue sharing money) will forfeit its third highest remaining selection.
• A Competitive Balance Tax paying team (i.e. a team whose payroll exceeds the luxury tax threshold) will forfeit its second-highest and fifth-highest remaining picks—in addition to having its
international signing bonus pool reduced by $1 million in the next full signing period.
• All other teams will forfeit their second-highest remaining pick and will have their international bonus pool reduced by $500,000.


Teams that lose free agents who rejected qualifying offers are subject to the following rules:

• A non-market disqualified Revenue Sharing Payee team will receive a pick immediately following the first round if the player signs a contract with a total guarantee of $50 million or more.
• A Competitive Balance Tax paying team will receive a pick immediately following the fourth round.
• All other teams will receive a pick immediately after the Competitive Balance Round B.


http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/ne ... ges-draft/ (Dec 2016)

[Edgy MD]

Zach Cozart stock just went through the roof.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I assume that the Mets fall into this category:

All other teams will forfeit their second-highest remaining pick and will have their international bonus pool reduced by $500,000./quote] So if, hypothetically, they were to sign two of these guys, they'd lose their second- and third-round picks and get $1 million less to spend on international bonuses?

Frayed Knot Nov 07 2017 02:46 PM Re: Qualifying Offers

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I assume that the Mets fall into this category: All other teams will forfeit their second-highest remaining pick and will have their international bonus pool reduced by $500,000. So if, hypothetically, they were to sign two of these guys, they'd lose their second- and third-round picks and get $1 million less to spend on international bonuses? That's the way I read it, yes.

41Forever Nov 07 2017 02:48 PM Re: Qualifying Offers

That’s a steep penalty!

Edgy MD Nov 07 2017 02:50 PM Re: Qualifying Offers

They wouldn't lose international spending money, so much as lose the license to spend their own money. In other words, let's screw some Venezuelan kid and his family in the name of competitive balance when it's all about the league restraining labor costs.

Centerfield Nov 07 2017 02:56 PM Re: Qualifying Offers

I'm guessing poor Venezuelan families are not well represented at these labor hearings.

Edgy MD Nov 07 2017 02:58 PM Re: Qualifying Offers

No, they're not. But rich Venezuelans who were poor ones not too long ago are. I'd like to see a little more solidarity.

Ceetar Nov 07 2017 03:09 PM Re: Qualifying Offers

Edgy MD wrote: They wouldn't lose international spending money, so much as lose the license to spend their own money. In other words, let's screw some Venezuelan kid and his family in the name of competitive balance when it's all about the league restraining labor costs. Not that they're not basically getting screwed, but the money isn't going away, it's being redistributed. the pool size remains the same. They're not getting _more_ screwed.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 07 2017 03:34 PM Re: Qualifying Offers

Edgy MD wrote: In other words, let's screw some Venezuelan kid and his family in the name of competitive balance when it's all about the league restraining labor costs. Somewhere out there, Heinrich Himmler is smiling, because why should the players get any of the money that's out there? I'm surprised we're even drafting these players. Why not just chain them to the ship's galley against their will and ship 'em all here where the owners can grab em for free and force them to play under a reserve clause in perpetuity for minimum wage and if they resist, the owners get to whip the shit out of them because it's in their contract in the clause right after the reserve clause which takes effect even if they don't wanna sign the contract and if they don't wanna sign the contract, they get whipped for that too, because that's also in the contract. Fix that, Marvin Miller. I bet Heinrich would like this idea.

Edgy MD Nov 07 2017 03:36 PM Re: Qualifying Offers

Please leave the provocative nicknames to the president.

Lefty Specialist Nov 07 2017 03:55 PM Re: Qualifying Offers

How long do players have to accept or reject their QO's?

Frayed Knot Nov 07 2017 05:15 PM Re: Qualifying Offers

Lefty Specialist wrote: How long do players have to accept or reject their QO's? 10 days

d'Kong76 Nov 07 2017 06:26 PM Re: Qualifying Offers

That's not too bad, I was thinking it was like 30 days for some reason.

Frayed Knot Nov 07 2017 07:55 PM Re: Qualifying Offers

No, you're obviously confusing 'qualifying offer' with 'minimum sentencing'. It's an understandable error as many athletes experience both at some point during their careers.

Frayed Knot Nov 17 2017 12:22 AM Re: Qualifying Offers

All nine players* rejected their Qualifying Offers making them all Free Agents but with compensation attached, even if said compensation will wind up less onerous than in previous seasons. * Jake Arrieta - Cubs Lorenzo Cain - Royals Alex Cobb - Rays Wade Davis - Cubs Greg Holland - Rockies Eric Hosmer - Royals Lance Lynn - Cardinals Mike Moustakas - Royals Carlos Santana - Indians

[Frayed Knot]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I assume that the Mets fall into this category: All other teams will forfeit their second-highest remaining pick and will have their international bonus pool reduced by $500,000. So if, hypothetically, they were to sign two of these guys, they'd lose their second- and third-round picks and get $1 million less to spend on international bonuses?

That's the way I read it, yes.

[Guest 41Forever]

That’s a steep penalty!

[Edgy MD]

They wouldn't lose international spending money, so much as lose the license to spend their own money.

In other words, let's screw some Venezuelan kid and his family in the name of competitive balance when it's all about the league restraining labor costs.

[Centerfield]

I'm guessing poor Venezuelan families are not well represented at these labor hearings.

[Edgy MD]

No, they're not. But rich Venezuelans who were poor ones not too long ago are. I'd like to see a little more solidarity.

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: They wouldn't lose international spending money, so much as lose the license to spend their own money. In other words, let's screw some Venezuelan kid and his family in the name of competitive balance when it's all about the league restraining labor costs.

Not that they're not basically getting screwed, but the money isn't going away, it's being redistributed. the pool size remains the same. They're not getting _more_ screwed.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: In other words, let's screw some Venezuelan kid and his family in the name of competitive balance when it's all about the league restraining labor costs.

Somewhere out there, Heinrich Himmler is smiling, because why should the players get any of the money that's out there? I'm surprised we're even drafting these players. Why not just chain them to the ship's galley against their will and ship 'em all here where the owners can grab em for free and force them to play under a reserve clause in perpetuity for minimum wage and if they resist, the owners get to whip the shit out of them because it's in their contract in the clause right after the reserve clause which takes effect even if they don't wanna sign the contract and if they don't wanna sign the contract, they get whipped for that too, because that's also in the contract. Fix that, Marvin Miller. I bet Heinrich would like this idea.

[Edgy MD]

Please leave the provocative nicknames to the president.

[Lefty Specialist]

How long do players have to accept or reject their QO's?

[Frayed Knot]

Lefty Specialist wrote: How long do players have to accept or reject their QO's?

10 days

[Guest d'Kong76]

That's not too bad, I was thinking it was like 30 days for some reason.

[Frayed Knot]

No, you're obviously confusing 'qualifying offer' with 'minimum sentencing'.
It's an understandable error as many athletes experience both at some point during their careers.

[Frayed Knot]

All nine players* rejected their Qualifying Offers making them all Free Agents but with compensation attached, even if said compensation will wind up less onerous than in previous seasons.





* Jake Arrieta - Cubs
Lorenzo Cain - Royals
Alex Cobb - Rays
Wade Davis - Cubs
Greg Holland - Rockies
Eric Hosmer - Royals
Lance Lynn - Cardinals
Mike Moustakas - Royals
Carlos Santana - Indians