Shouldering the burden

[Frayed Knot]

Mets blog (although they don't say where they go the info from):

Conforto has had the same type of injury in the past, according to manager Terry Collins ... [the] X-rays following the game that turned out to be negative.
However, an MRI revealed a tear in the posterior capsule in his shoulder. All treatment options are on the table, including surgery to repair the capsule ...
Blue Jays OF (and former Met) Darrell Ceciliani suffered a similar injury on May 19 -- a partial dislocation of his left shoulder -- while hitting a home run.
Ceciliani did not play in another game this season, undergoing season-ending surgery earlier this month.

[Zvon]

....so much for my good vibes.

If you need me I'll be sitting here shaking my head negatively for the next few days.

[DocTee]

If he needs surgery here's hoping its done soon, and not after a three month wait like Ceciliani.

[Edgy MD]

Yeah, but that was Obama's fault.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

Don't put this on Obama. Blame can be apportioned to many sides, many sides.

[Guest cooby]

Lol, Rockin Doc


and wouldn't this totally suck?

Blue Jays OF (and former Met) Darrell Ceciliani suffered a similar injury on May 19 -- a partial dislocation of his left shoulder -- while hitting a home run

[Frayed Knot]

Conforto to get a second opinion on Tuesday (OK, you're ugly too); various options still on the table although I can't imagine how this ends without him going under the knife.

[Frayed Knot]

NY Post: Michael Conforto, who damaged his left shoulder in a freak incident last week, will undergo surgery to repair a tear in the joint’s posterior capsule, the team announced Saturday.
The Mets did not provide a timetable for Conforto’s return, but there is concern within the organization, according to sources, that rehab could last into next spring training and beyond.

And so it goes.

[Guest themetfairy]

I'll say it here - the hysteria over Conforto's timetable is overblown and, at the very least, premature.

I'm basing this on D-Dad's recent surgical experience at HSS, which involved both the labrum and the glenoid. His post-op recovery is going beautifully. I can't believe that a 24-year-old can't recover from capsule surgery (which presumably can also be done arthroscopically) at least as quickly as D-Dad is progressing.

[Frayed Knot]

Basing one person's surgery on another person's surgery is a really bad idea.

[Guest themetfairy]

True, but being hysterical over speculation of how one's post-surgery recovery might go before the surgery has happened is worse.

[Frayed Knot]

THEY are the ones NOT putting a timetable on it, but have to plan for the possibility that his recovery could last into next season.

[Guest themetfairy]

Might as well wait to see how the surgery goes first. A week isn't going to make a difference at this point.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Frayed Knot wrote: Basing one person's surgery on another person's surgery is a really bad idea.

Especially when one guy has to hit 95MPH fast balls for a living and the other guy has a desk job.

[Guest 41Forever]

themetfairy wrote: Might as well wait to see how the surgery goes first. A week isn't going to make a difference at this point.

Glad to hear D-Dad is doing well, MF. I'll take any positive sign I can get. Keep us posted.

[Guest themetfairy]

Thanks 41!

[Frayed Knot]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Basing one person's surgery on another person's surgery is a really bad idea. Especially when one guy has to hit 95MPH fast balls for a living and the other guy has a desk job.

I've been unable to hit 95 mph fastballs ever since my shoulder surgery a bunch of years ago.

[nymr83]

Best of luck to D-Dad in his recovery.

Obviously, no two injuries are exactly the same. That being said, IF the injury was the same, you'd have to think the man who is much younger, doesnt have children to chase around, and has no other job besides rehabbing, is in much better shape to recover sooner.

[Guest themetfairy]

Nymr83 wrote: Best of luck to D-Dad in his recovery. Obviously, no two injuries are exactly the same. That being said, IF the injury was the same, you'd have to think the man who is much younger, doesnt have children to chase around, and has no other job besides rehabbing, is in much better shape to recover sooner.

Thanks nymr.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Nymr83 wrote: Best of luck to D-Dad in his recovery. IF the injury was the same, you'd have to think [that Conforto] the man who is much younger, doesnt [sic] have children to chase around, and has no other job besides rehabbing, is in much better shape to recover sooner.

Even if they had the exact same injury, both in kind and in degree, this comparison couldn't possibly be more pointless, and more of an apples and oranges things, because you have recovery goals that couldn't be farther apart.

One guy's trying to resume, what I presume to be an ordinary everyman routine, to lead the kind of life we're all too familiar with. Like being able to carry a 20 pound of groceries without discomfort. Or being able to shovel the snow off of his driveway. Or being able to soft toss a frisbee or have a catch with his kids.

The other guy, like I said, wants to be able to hit 95MPH fastballs ... wants to destroy Max Scherzer and Clayton Kershaw ... wants to be what he was right before his shoulder injury -- one of the 30 or 40 best baseball hitters in the whole wide world of seven and a half billion people (and try working the math out on those odds) ... wants to be able to dive on his surgically repaired shoulder, which happens to be connected to his glove hand, to spear line drives approaching him at upwards of 100MPH+ while sinking to where his ankles are.

Even the same exact same recovery could yield drastically different outcomes. If D-dad loses two to five percent of range of motion, he might not even notice it, or might not be affected in a meaningful way, even if he does notice the slight loss in range. A five percent loss of range of motion for Conforto might be the difference between superstardom and something less. Maybe significantly less. It might mean the loss of dozens of millions of dollars in potential earnings, among many other things.

That you're even thinking of, let alone making this comparison is ridiculous.

Edited September 3, 2017 by Guest

[batmagadanleadoff]

And let me join my fellow CPF'ers in wishing D-Dad a warm and sincere get well wish here. My fellow CPFers. You know. The two Republicans who stick it to me in the political thread as if I'm the only liberal in America and Betsy Devos is a great American. I'm sure they didn't wish D-Dad well at least in part, to show me up.

Edited September 3, 2017 by Guest

[Guest themetfairy]

Thanks Batmags. Two months out from surgery, D-Dad is doing great. He's close to 100% mobility and now working primarily on strength.

Which is why I'm reluctant to get hysterical about Conforto's timetable, especially before he's even had his surgery. It's pointless to assume the worst at this point.

[Centerfield]

My two cents here.

Since Conforto hurt his shoulder I've heard:

*that he will never be the same. And that this could be a recurring injury, with a great chance that he will never recover to where he was before
*that he will be just as good once he goes under the knife. Sure the rehab is tough, but he'll be completely healed when it's all said and done.

*that the typical recovery from surgery is 3-6 months
*that the typical recovery from surgery is 9-12 months

*it's similar to Ceciliani/Matt Kemp
*that this has happened to no one in the history of time. Ever.

So yeah, input from someone who has had the same injury, had the same surgery, in the same hospital, and likely the same surgeons, as Conforto, is appreciated.

No, it's not definitive. But is it more so than input from doctors who submit articles online without ever having examined the patient? Probably. It's close at least.

Sure. It makes sense for the Mets to not put a specific timeline on the recovery and plan for the worst. That is prudent practice. Do I actually believe they will do this? (At least without ignoring another glaring need?) Um, no.

I expect them to go into 2018 like they've gone into every season in recent history. Assuming that everything breaks right for them, and if that happens, being just competitive enough to compete for the post-season.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Centerfield wrote: My two cents here. Since Conforto hurt his shoulder I've heard: [***] *that the typical recovery from surgery is 3-6 months *that the typical recovery from surgery is 9-12 months

These are different ranges of recovery for the injury because even the same type of injury could differ in degree. And I think it's OK to express concern. The high range of recovery is about a year. And virtually every single every day position player who ever sustained an injury that required about 12 months of rehab before resuming play, returned diminished. Diminished ceilings. Or diminished performance compared to that player's pre injury level of play. Or both. What I'm saying in other words is that any position player who misses about a year because of an injury is almost always never quite the same ballplayer upon returning.

[Ceetar]

roughly 6 months to Spring Training. I assume our hopes and prognosis for Conforto isn't going to change until(if?) he starts doing baseball activities then.

[Centerfield]

Surgery successful by all accounts. Should be ready in about 6 months, give or take. Puts him at March 1.

Not sure how you build contingencies if you're Sandy. I guess you assume he's healthy and plug in Nimmo in the event he isn't.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Centerfield wrote: Surgery successful by all accounts. Should be ready in about 6 months, give or take. Puts him at March 1.

This scares me because my crude but accurate method for predicting when a baseball player returns from an injury is to take the amount of time that the team PR puts out there (6 months in this case) and to double it. Multiply it by two. That means that Conforto misses just about all of next season instead of missing none of it.

[Guest cooby]

Not to be mean, but really is Conforto the only Met on the team? I think a year or six months without him will not spell our doom Calm down guys

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

Conforto isn't the only Met on the team, but this year he was the best and most reliable Met on the team. He and Cespedes are the two most dongerous hitters the Mets have at this point. Cespedes is has proven to be rather injury prone and has been unable to stay in the line up for any prolonged stretch and if Conforto is out for a large portion of the season, the Mets offense could be pretty anemic next year.

The Mets have had two horrendous seasons of widespread injuries that have decimated the line up. The Mets need to be healthy if they are to have a reasonable chance of contending for a play off spot next season. Conforto's injury is potentially a very significant blow to the Mets 2018 season.

[Edgy MD]

Rockin' Doc wrote: He and Cespedes are the two most dongerous hitters the Mets have at this point.

I don't know it was intentional, but you just coined a great new word, specially made for these dongerous times we're living in. Congratulations!