Murph & the Gays

[G-Fafif]

Fun day at Port St. Lunchgate! First Parnell taking away Syndergaard's stew, then, in light of Billy Bean swinging by at Sandy Alderson's behest to promote inclusiveness, Daniel Murphy lets it be known he doesn't approve of the gay "lifestyle". But the gays themselves? Totally cool with Murph specifically and Christianity in general.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

"Well, just because I consider this strongly-ingrained facet of these people's personalities to be the product of a choice as deeply felt as 'going nightclubbing' or 'being a loafer guy,' and just because I consider that choice to be a damnable sin, well, that doesn't mean that I'll stop cornering guys like Billy into the occasional conversation about how I love him, even though I believe he's going to hell and wouldn't want him caring for my children unsupervised. Because that wouldn't be Christian at all, y'know?"

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Muffy.

[ashie62]

This is over my head.

[metirish]

Ashie62 wrote: This is over my head.

what are his views on head?

[Lefty Specialist]

So I'm guessing it was both Be Nice to Gay People Day and Trumpet Your Christianity Day in PSL today. Glad they got that over before the games start.

My question would be....what would happen if Daniel Murphy were trapped in an elevator with Richard Simmons?

[Frayed Knot]

Lefty Specialist wrote: My question would be....what would happen if Daniel Murphy were trapped in an elevator with Richard Simmons?

Same as anyone's reaction to being trapped in an elevator with Richard Simmons ... a quick suicide.

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

I fear this is going to be an issue with legs.

Torii Hunter got called out by a writer looking to make waves in Hunter's introduction press conference with the Twins a couple months ago for endorsing a gubernatorial candidate in Arkansas who opposed same-sex marriage. (Hunter grossly mishandled that question, if you remember.) The New York writers are tougher than the people following the Twins.

[MFS62]

Guys on the last year of a contract with a New York team shouldn't be saying anything about gays. It could give them the excuse they've been waiting for to get rid of him without the fans getting too upset.

Later

[metirish]

MFS62 wrote: Guys on the last year of a contract with a New York team shouldn't be saying anything about gays. It could give them the excuse they've been waiting for to get rid of him without the fans getting too upset. Later

Murphy isn't getting traded for something like this , his defensive lifestyle and bat and $$$ will account for that if it happens. Murph was honest in his answer, should not be punished for that ......

[Benjamin Grimm]

Ugh. There goes the goodwill he earned last year for being a good husband and father.

[metirish]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Ugh. There goes the goodwill he earned last year for being a good husband and father.

LOL...

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Ugh. There goes the goodwill he earned last year for being a good husband and father.

Yup, no more visits to the White House.

[metirish]

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Ugh. There goes the goodwill he earned last year for being a good husband and father. Yup, no more visits to the White House.

Maybe the next WH?

[bmfc1]

Lefty Specialist wrote: My question would be....what would happen if Daniel Murphy were trapped in an elevator with Richard Simmons?

Murphy would overthrow Simmons.

[Lefty Specialist]

(Sandy crosses 'San Francisco Giants' off deadline trade possibility list)

[Frayed Knot]

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: I fear this is going to be an issue with legs.

I tend to doubt it
Sure, a lot of people are going to disagree with him and all, but his statements hardly constituted some hate-filled rant that's going to cause his team & MLB to come down on him, or be the fuel for group protests and the like.

[Edgy MD]

The problem is the title of this thread. I just can't read it without music pounding in my skull.

Hey kids, there's something in the weather
Murphy likes the gay guys
He's just not sure 'bout the leather
He's painting himself in a corner, now
So stick around
He's gonna be a lightning rod
Here on shifting ground

Say, Gary and Ronnie, have you broadcast yet?
When, O when will Keith come out?
Muh-muh-muh-Murphy and the Gays
Oh but they're weird and they're wonderful
Oh Billy, he's the other Bean
Is Rusty one?
Or Piazza, son?!
You know I say him with a burly ma-REEEEN, oh, oh..
Murphy and the Gays

Yeah, I agree that this should fade. I mean, Francessa's still on the air, and he hates fatherhood.

Unless he's compelled to issue clarification after clarification, which I imagine his agent and the Mets publicist will discourage. People need someone to point at and to bear the sins of the world, and maybe it'll be him for a few days, but they'll move on.

[stevejrogers]

Frayed Knot wrote: Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: I fear this is going to be an issue with legs. I tend to doubt it Sure, a lot of people are going to disagree with him and all, but his statements hardly constituted some hate-filled rant that's going to cause his team & MLB to come down on him, or be the fuel for group protests and the like.

I don't know, I've seen a lot worse than what LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr said earlier on social media about being offended and disappointed in what Murphy said (including calls for immediate removal from roster). I doubt this will be a John Rocker situation with past incidents coming out to prove a pattern of ignorant behavior as well as lines of thinking. But I can see a groundswell on various platforms, as well as smallish protests when the team comes back to New York, forcing Sandy's hand to take the first trade offer that comes across his desk.

[Edgy MD]

I can see a lot of things. I have an active imagination (or so my wife tells me).

But what I can see and where I'll put my money are two different things.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Lefty Specialist wrote: (Sandy crosses 'San Francisco Giants' off deadline trade possibility list)

lololllool

[TransMonk]

I'm not sure how much disrespect was intentional in what Murphy said, but I personally think he said too much and I wish he would have kept his mouth shut.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

of course thats exactly it. But in today's get-one-over-on-the-other-guy world of social outrage such gray areas may as well not exist.

[G-Fafif]

Anybody remember how Roger McDowell said far worse to fans in SF a few years ago regarding the nature of a certain percentage of the local population and how he was presumed done after being put on administrative leave for a spell? He's still coaching Brave pitchers and it doesn't seem to come up anymore.

[Frayed Knot]

Lefty Specialist wrote: (Sandy crosses 'San Francisco Giants' off deadline trade possibility list)

I remember when (the still active) Andy Van Slyke openly stated that he'd never play in San Fran because of the way 'that lifestyle was openly promoted and celebrated' -- or words to that effect, I can't remember the exact quote. But whatever his specific complaints were it was a much harsher condemnation than what Murphy is saying here (albeit at a different point in time) and he wasn't drummed out of the sport and is coaching today.

[MFS62]

G-Fafif wrote: Anybody remember how Roger McDowell said far worse to fans in SF a few years ago ... He's still coaching Brave pitchers and it doesn't seem to come up anymore.

Well that's because (he says with tongue firmly in cheek) there are no gays South of the Mason Dixon Line. Especially not in Atlanta.

Later

[Lefty Specialist]

'Tongue firmly in cheek' is a turn of phrase you might not want to use in this context.

[TransMonk]

The cynic in me thinks that this could have been Murphy publicly thumbing his nose at the Mets, too. The club does a seemingly decent thing by bringing in an "ambassador of inclusion" and Murphy speaks out about his personal disapproval of the ambassador's "lifestyle".

He had to have known that he was going firmly against the company line of the day no matter what his personal beliefs are.

[Benjamin Grimm]

It's hard to understand why people who aren't gay think it's a choice, when people who are gay (and presumably are a bit more informed on the subject) say otherwise.

I mean, I know that there are some (I suspect Rick Santorum is one of them) who do have gay urges and consciously choose to repress them and assume that everyone else is doing the same. (These would be the people who think that allowing gay marriage would undermine straight marriage, because why would a man marry a woman when he can marry a man?) I tend to doubt that Daniel Murphy falls into this category, but who can say for sure?

I really doubt that this will affect Murphy's tenure with the Mets. He'll be traded, or not traded, based on what's going on on the field.

[Frayed Knot]

TransMonk wrote: The cynic in me thinks that this could have been Murphy publicly thumbing his nose at the Mets, too. The club does a seemingly decent thing by bringing in an "ambassador of inclusion" and Murphy speaks out about his personal disapproval of the ambassador's "lifestyle". He had to have known that he was going firmly against the company line of the day no matter what his personal beliefs are.

I think that's reading WAY too much into this.