2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

[Guest sharpie]

Pittsburgh bench coach Jeff Banister gets the Rangers job

http://espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/story/_/id/11710963/texas-rangers-hire-jeff-banister-manager

[Frayed Knot]

No relation to the Floyd/Brian Bannisters, Jeff Banister joins Walt Alston in the club of ML managers with just one ML AB - but in his case it was a PH single vs Dan Petry of the 1991 Braves

TEAM	MANAGER	SIGNED THRU	STATUS
METS	Terry Collins	2015 + option for '16
BRAVES	Fredi Gonzalez	2015
PHILLIES	Ryne Sandberg	2016 + option for '17
NATIONALS	Matt Williams	2015 + options for �16 + �17
MARLINS	Mike Redmond	2015
CARDINALS	Mike Matheny	2017
PIRATES	Clint Hurdle	2017 + option for �18
CUBS	Rick Renteria	2016 + options for �17 + �18
REDS	Bryan Price	2016
BREWERS	Ron Roenicke	2015 + option for �16
DODGERS	Don Mattingly	2016
GIANTS	Bruce Bochy	2016
PADRES	Bud Black	2015
DBACKS	Kirk Gibson	2014 -- Fired, Sept 2014	Chip Hale hired for 2015-16
ROCKIES	Walt Weiss	2016
RED SOX	John Farrell	2016
YANKEES	Joe Girardi	2017
ORIOLES	Buck Showalter	2018
BLUE JAYS	John Gibbons	2015 + option for �16
RAYS	Joe Maddon	2015
TIGERS	Brad Ausmus	2016 + option for �17
INDIANS	Terry Francona	2016
ROYALS	Ned Yost	2015
TWINS	Ron Gardenhire	2015	Fired Sept �14
WHITE SOX	Robin Ventura	2014
ANGELS	Mike Scioscia	2018
RANGERS	Ron Washington	2014 - Resigned Sept 2014	Hired Jeff Banister
MARINERS	Lloyd McClendon	201?
ASTROS	Bo Porter	Fired Sept 2014	AJ Hinch - Hired Sept 2014
ATHLETICS	Bob Melvin	2016

[Edgy MD]

Ventura definitely signed an extension last winter. I haven't been able to find any reference to how long it goes, though.

Speaking of extensions, the Royals must be cooking up a big steamy one for Yost.

[Guest sharpie]

Joe Maddon leaving the Rays

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11754873/tampa-bay-rays-manager-joe-maddon-exercises-opt-clause-leaving-team

[Edgy MD]

Moved that post here. Two threads with similar names. But this seems to be the home for it.

[Frayed Knot]

Well everyone looking for a manager now has one signed for 2015 except for the Twins, and it seems unlikely that Maddon threw over his long-time employer just to jump to a different low-budget team only one in worse shape and with worse weather (Maddon likes to bicycle to his home games and even travels w/a bike on the road).
So this puts him in great shape to sit out a year (while letting various networks trip over each other to throw money at him in the meantime) and start sorting out offers for 2016 - at which point there might be an opening in Queens, NY

TEAM	MANAGER	SIGNED THRU	STATUS
METS	Terry Collins	2015 + option for '16
BRAVES	Fredi Gonzalez	2015
PHILLIES	Ryne Sandberg	2016 + option for '17
NATIONALS	Matt Williams	2015 + options for �16 + �17
MARLINS	Mike Redmond	2015	Extended through 2017
CARDINALS	Mike Matheny	2017
PIRATES	Clint Hurdle	2017 + option for �18
CUBS	Rick Renteria	2016 + options for �17 + �18
REDS	Bryan Price	2016
BREWERS	Ron Roenicke	2015 + option for �16
DODGERS	Don Mattingly	2016
GIANTS	Bruce Bochy	2016
PADRES	Bud Black	2015
DBACKS	Kirk Gibson	2014 -- Fired, Sept 2014	Chip Hale hired for 2015-16
ROCKIES	Walt Weiss	2016
RED SOX	John Farrell	2016
YANKEES	Joe Girardi	2017
ORIOLES	Buck Showalter	2018
BLUE JAYS	John Gibbons	2015 + option for �16
RAYS	Joe Maddon	2015	Mgr Opted out of contract's final year
TIGERS	Brad Ausmus	2016 + option for �17
INDIANS	Terry Francona	2016
ROYALS	Ned Yost	2015
TWINS	Ron Gardenhire	2015	Fired Sept �14
WHITE SOX	Robin Ventura	2014
ANGELS	Mike Scioscia	2018
RANGERS	Ron Washington	2014 - Resigned Sept 2014	Hired Jeff Banister
MARINERS	Lloyd McClendon	201?
ASTROS	Bo Porter	Fired Sept 2014	AJ Hinch - Hired Sept 2014
ATHLETICS	Bob Melvin	2016

Edited October 24, 2014 by Guest

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Joe Maddon? Unattached? Wow, that's interesting.

Hey, Terry? Do you mind stepping back over here? There's some really cool foliage I want to show you, right behind the shed.

[Edgy MD]

You don't have it on the chart above, but Redmond got extended through 2017, so Maddon ain't going south.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Seriously, Terry... it's, like, stunning back here. The effect's even better if you stare at one far-off spot for, like, a minute.

[Frayed Knot]

Joel Sherman already weighs in with a piece citing the Mets as #2 guess behind only the Cubs as the 2016 landing spot for Maddon.
The logical assumption, the Dodgers on account of the Rays President landing there recently, seems content with Mattingly but that could change in a hurry if they're not in the mix next season with that massive payroll.

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: Joel Sherman already weighs in with a piece citing the Mets as #2 guess behind only the Cubs as the 2016 landing spot for Maddon. The logical assumption, the Dodgers on account of the Rays President landing there recently, seems content with Mattingly but that could change in a hurry if they're not in the mix next season with that massive payroll.

Dodgers and Mets have both weighed in that they're not switching managers.

All this stuff happened days ago, this is just media catching up on all the angles.

[Frayed Knot]

Oh it's all speculation at this point so it's not like any POV is going to have facts backing it up - and of course no one is going to say that they're looking to dump their incumbent a year in advance.
It's just that both the Mets & Cubs will have openings (or options to consider) 11 months from now, are expected to be teams on the rise with a sizable contingent of younger players, and both are larger markets that one would assume Maddon would want after the better part of a decade in Tampa.
So while it may be speculation, it's least logical speculation even if a whole bunch of things will change between now and October 2015.

[Ceetar]

Oh, clearly.

It's weird how sometimes teams seem to leak even the innermost workings of contract negotiations, and yet Maddon supposedly talked with 4-5 teams and we didn't hear a peep.

Weird timing too, Friday afternoon? Maybe he really does end up taking a year to drum up interest.

[Frayed Knot]

Where/when was Maddon talking to 4 or 5 other teams?

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: Where/when was Maddon talking to 4 or 5 other teams?

Most initial reports had his agent reaching out to other teams prior to this.

[Edgy MD]

Is that allowed?

[Frayed Knot]

No.

[batmagadanleadoff]

It's pretty pathetic that I can root for the National League franchise from the greatest city in the world -- a team that hasn't had a top manager in more than ten years and yet just the same, believe that the odds of Maddon coming to manage the Mets are zero.

[metirish]

Mike Vaccaro going full Vaccaro on this , he even manages to align himself in comparison to Dick Young

Mets� credibility takes another hit if they don�t pursue Joe Maddon/

As of right now, immediately, it really doesn�t matter what promises Sandy Alderson made to Terry Collins. Because as of right now, immediately, Alderson has it within his grasp to make a move that will really be the first legitimate game-changer on his watch as general manager of the Mets. As of right now � actually, as of about noon Friday � Joe Maddon is no longer in the employ of the Tampa Bay Rays. Which means one of the two or three best managers in baseball is now a free agent. Which means Alderson should already have made an inquiry. Look, we can argue for hours about the true impact managers have in a sport dictated by the whims of line drives that are caught and bloopers that fall safe. Ned Yost sitting three games from winning a world championship is only the latest affirmation that you needn�t be Phi Beta Kappa to make it to the finish line. Still, the great managers give you the best chance to survive the 162-game grind, put you in position as often as possible, give you the greater chance to maximize the talents on your roster. That much is indisputable. Maddon already has one of the more improbable baseball turnarounds ever on his dossier, turning the Rays from hopeless drifters in the sport�s hinterlands to a perennial contender. If he is available, you go after him. You run after him. And if the cost of getting it done is changing your mind about Terry Collins? Then you knock on Collins� door, you ring him on the telephone, and you say: We love you, we appreciate what you�ve done for us in times of trouble, we hope you will stay with us. Just in a different job. Hey, it happens. A college coach might be happy with his quarterback or his point guard, but if there�s a better quarterback or a better point guard available in next year�s freshman class, then he�ll recruit over his incumbents in an eyeblink. If Dick Young were available tomorrow, I suspect The Post would be more than eager to recruit over me. That�s how it works. The Mets have spent far too long trying to convince us the future is imminent, just a little bit further beyond the bend, just wait, you�ll see, and they�ve far too often allowed their ultimate decision-makers to sabotage these sentiments by locking up the corporate checkbook and failing to have the heart � among other anatomical necessities � to make the team better. Reports that Jeff Wilpon emphatically denied the Mets will change managers only prove that Cabinet of Stupid is still in session. But it needn�t be permanent. The Mets actually showed they might be changing their organizational thinking the other day, when they did the right thing and hired Kevin Long as hitting coach. That�s a good start. This is a better one. The Mets going after Maddon � and at full speed, no half-hearted, half-measure pursuit intended to place or to show, as they�ve done so often � sends an immediate message, even a month before the hot-stove league truly starts to percolate. And it is the best message possible, from a team whose credibility gap grows exponentially every year: This time, we�re serious. This time, we�re all in. Look, it may well be Maddon wants no part of New York, sees some other openings across baseball � starting with the Cubs, perpetually in search of a hero to end a 106-year drought, blessed with the youngest everyday talent in the game � and politely declines the overture. But Maddon has always seemed charmed by the give-and-take of New York when he�s visited with the Rays, and certainly owns the gravitas to immediately dig in around here. Either way, the Mets have to find out. They have to recruit Maddon, even at the cost of recruiting over Collins � for whom Maddon worked as a coach in Anaheim and whom he replaced on an interim basis in 1999. Collins is a good man, a good baseball man, a worthwhile employee to retain, to reassign elsewhere in the organization. But he isn�t Maddon as a manager. As of right now, immediately, Maddon is available, and he is free to work anywhere in baseball he chooses. Maybe that�s New York, maybe it�s not. Maybe he�d rather wait to see if Don Mattingly winds up ousted in Los Angeles, so he can be reunited with his former boss Andrew Friedman. Either way, the Mets have to find out. They have to ask. They need to be ready to dust off that corporate checkbook. Right now. Immediately.

http://nypost.com/2014/10/24/mets-could-prove-they-arent-a-joke-by-pursuing-joe-maddon/

[Guest d'Kong76]

I swear I think some of these guys have a few template
columns they pull up and just add names and some 'details.'

[Guest d'Kong76]

Vaccaro wrote: Look, we can argue for hours

That's longer than you gave the ink to dry on Maddon's resignation.

[ashie62]

Ceetar wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Where/when was Maddon talking to 4 or 5 other teams? Most initial reports had his agent reaching out to other teams prior to this.

link?

[metirish]

d'Kong76 wrote: Vaccaro wrote: Look, we can argue for hours That's longer than you gave the ink to dry on Maddon's resignation.

nice one

[Edgy MD]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: It's pretty pathetic that I can root for the National League franchise from the greatest city in the world -- a team that hasn't had a top manager in more than ten years and yet just the same, believe that the odds of Maddon coming to manage the Mets are zero.

You can get 10 baseball people in a room, show them 10 managers, take away wins and losses, and get 10 opinions on what a top manager looks like.

[Edgy MD]

A lot of BS out there that the Mets not dumping their manager and landing Maddon proves they're not serious.

[Lefty Specialist]

Well, if they dumped their owner's son and landed Maddon that'd prove they're serious.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: A lot of BS out there that the Mets not dumping their manager and landing Maddon proves they're not serious.

I wouldn't hold it against the Mets for "not landing" Maddon -- so long as the Mets made a good faith effort to land him -- or so long as Maddon made it clear that he just ain't interested in managing the Mets no way no how.

But it looks like the Mets just ain't interested in getting him. Probably 'cause the owners heads would explode if they hafta eat Terry's guaranteed 2015 salary on top of paying Maddon's price. And prolly 'cause Maddon's got the bona fides that he ain't gonna be intimidated by the little dipshit that's running the Mets more and more with each passing day.

[Edgy MD]

I think there's nothing to that.

So far, it seems like there's 29 teams not jumping at Maddon. Thirty. It's a perfectly reasonable perspective that any suspected marginal benefit from changing managers is undermined by the instability and bad faith of switching managers weeks after announcing that you've announced your incumbent has returned and you've assembled a staff around him.

As far as I'm concerned, Maddon is a suspect not to be trusted.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Maddon to Cubs per Heyman.
Am I not remembering correctly but when the Yankees are
in the post-season all these blockbuster moves are encouraged
to be put off until after the World Series so as not to take away
for it or something?

[TransMonk]

Are you sure it wasn't just the Yankees not wanting the World Series to take away from their blockbuster moves?