2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

[Edgy MD]

I imagine the Cubs were intending to be good little citizens, but Heyman got the scoop.

[Frayed Knot]

Yeah, the original ban against making announcements during active post-season play was put in because one year Steinbrenner, pouting that he wasn't in that year's WS, chose game 7 to announce one of his Billy Martin hirings (or was it firings?) in order to steal the headlines away from the sport itself and onto himself (now tell me again why he deserves HoF induction?)

I think the difference here is that no one in the Cubs org is saying anything publicly and there's no announcement expected (last I heard anyway) until Friday when things are all over.
Somebody's leaking to Heyman though.


from MLB.com: Joe Maddon is on the verge of becoming the Cubs' next manager, according to CBS Sports' Jon Heyman, who earlier reported a deal was done.
Maddon's agent and two Cubs sources say they do not have a deal. "We don't have a done deal," said Alan Nero, Maddon's agent. "We continue to talk to several clubs. It's not to say we won't have a deal done in the next few days, and if we do, it will be announced."

[bmfc1]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: But it looks like the Mets just ain't interested in getting him. Probably 'cause the owners heads would explode if they hafta eat Terry's guaranteed 2015 salary on top of paying Maddon's price. And prolly 'cause Maddon's got the bona fides that he ain't gonna be intimidated by the little dipshit that's running the Mets more and more with each passing day.

Bravo!

[Ceetar]

The 'rule' is silly because it's so easy to leak the news and deny it publicly.

Of course, this could've come from the disgruntled Renteria camp too.

[Guest d'Kong76]

bmfc1 wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: But it looks like the Mets just ain't interested in getting him. Probably 'cause the owners heads would explode if they hafta eat Terry's guaranteed 2015 salary on top of paying Maddon's price. And prolly 'cause Maddon's got the bona fides that he ain't gonna be intimidated by the little dipshit that's running the Mets more and more with each passing day. Bravo!

It took a week for the Cubs to get him. While some eat
up the drama behind batmag's hatred of his beloved, one
has to think he was headed for the Cubs all along if they
got things sewed up so quickly; so it really has nothing to
do with the Mets or the Wilpons. I think it would be funny
if it comes out the Rays gave him permission to seek em-
ployment elsewhere, or even funnier if the Cubs tampered.

[Edgy MD]

Bill Price wrote: It's news that is sure to send the north side of Chicago into celebration mode...

What world is this he lives in?

[batmagadanleadoff]

d'Kong76 wrote: bmfc1 wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: But it looks like the Mets just ain't interested in getting him. Probably 'cause the owners heads would explode if they hafta eat Terry's guaranteed 2015 salary on top of paying Maddon's price. And prolly 'cause Maddon's got the bona fides that he ain't gonna be intimidated by the little dipshit that's running the Mets more and more with each passing day. Bravo! It took a week for the Cubs to get him. While some eat up the drama behind batmag's hatred of his beloved, one has to think he was headed for the Cubs all along if they got things sewed up so quickly; so it really has nothing to do with the Mets or the Wilpons. I think it would be funny if it comes out the Rays gave him permission to seek em- ployment elsewhere, or even funnier if the Cubs tampered.

I guess your freakin' head also explodes if someone else here gets some enjoyment from one of my posts. You've managed to turn the Cubs apparent signing of Maddon into a personal thing with me. Don't blame me because the Wilpons reduced the Mets to a laughing stock. I'm just a messenger. And if the Mets never had a chance to get Maddon ... if it turns out that Maddon never wanted to manage a New York City based team that's been mediocre at best for more than half a decade ... if the Mets can't attract the Maddons of baseball, whose fault is that? Nobody's? That isn't more fallout from the owners' incompetence?

One first place finish in 26 years.

[Edgy MD]

Well, it's one in 12ish under Wilpon.

[batmagadanleadoff]

The Wilpons were the de facto owners pretty much since the Harazin era.

[Edgy MD]

I'd rather work within facts. It's much healthier that way.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: I'd rather work within facts. It's much healthier that way.

So would I. I did.

[Guest d'Kong76]

I guess your freakin' head also explodes if someone else here gets some enjoyment from one of my posts. You've managed to turn the Cubs apparent signing of Maddon into a personal thing with me. Don't blame me because the Wilpons reduced the Mets to a laughing stock. I'm just a messenger. And if the Mets never had a chance to get Maddon ... if it turns out that Maddon never wanted to manage a New York City based team that's been mediocre at best for more than half a decade ... if the Mets can't attract the Maddons of baseball, whose fault is that? Nobody's? That isn't more fallout from the owners' incompetence? One first place finish in 26 years.

I really didn't deserve such a reaction, and all I said is that
you are a little dramatic. Your response solidifies that point.

No one here thinks the owner's are competent, and we all
realize that sure, there may be guys who don't want to come
here.

But it looks like the Mets just ain't interested in getting him.
Probably not, and I probably wouldn't want to come to a company
that just signed the top dog and then fired him for me. That would
make me feel real safe. Great way to do biz.

Probably 'cause the owners heads would explode if they hafta eat Terry's guaranteed 2015 salary on top of paying Maddon's price.
Maybe, but more likely it just makes your head explode
thinking about would be and maybe if scenarios that ad-
vance your agenda.

And prolly 'cause Maddon's got the bona fides that he ain't gonna be intimidated by the little dipshit
Terry's intimidated by Jeff? I didn't know. Who looks in-
timidated in this pic?:
[fimg=375]https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3156/5795583954_e7fc4bd5c4_z.jpg[/fimg]

the little dipshit that's running the Mets more and more with each passing day.
Decade old news, but nice drama.

Sheesh.

[Edgy MD]

The Cubs have had five fifth-place finishes in a row, no pennants since 1945, and no championships since 1908, so I certainly don't envy them anything. Theo Epstein may have a lot to offer, but so far, he's run the team for three years; finished fifth of six, fifth of five, and fifth of five; and hired three managers.

Whatever Wilpon's legacy, I fully understand not hitting the reset button because a shiny new prize of unknown real-world value has appeared on the marketplace.

[Guest d'Kong76]

[fimg=400:29ucvlwv]http://isportsweb.com/wp-content/uploads//2013/03/Theo.jpg[/fimg:29ucvlwv]
Right, but I just brought me in someone who's got some
bona fides to stand up to the Ricketts!

[Frayed Knot]

Seems that there's a little bit of off-the-record grumbling about the ethics of Maddon (seemingly) ready to jump into a job that's currently occupied.
That there are only 30 of these hard to land jobs available, at least some are contending that it's bad form for Maddon to effectively bounce one of his fellow skippers out of the one that he just landed a year ago.

[Frayed Knot]

Annnnnd the Cubs make the first part of the transaction official by firing Renterea.
No formal word on Maddon, but just in case it wasn't already apparent where they're going ... now it is.

TEAM	MANAGER	SIGNED THRU	STATUS
METS	Terry Collins	2015 + option for '16
BRAVES	Fredi Gonzalez	2015
PHILLIES	Ryne Sandberg	2016 + option for '17
NATIONALS	Matt Williams	2015 + options for �16 + �17
MARLINS	Mike Redmond	2015	Extended through 2017
CARDINALS	Mike Matheny	2017
PIRATES	Clint Hurdle	2017 + option for �18
CUBS	[crossout]Rick Renteria[/crossout]	2016 + options for �17 + �18	Fired - Oct 31
REDS	Bryan Price	2016
BREWERS	Ron Roenicke	2015 + option for �16
DODGERS	Don Mattingly	2016
GIANTS	Bruce Bochy	2016
PADRES	Bud Black	2015
DBACKS	[crossout]Kirk Gibson[/crossout]	2014 -- Fired, Sept 2014	Chip Hale hired for 2015-16
ROCKIES	Walt Weiss	2016
RED SOX	John Farrell	2016
YANKEES	Joe Girardi	2017
ORIOLES	Buck Showalter	2018
BLUE JAYS	John Gibbons	2015 + option for �16
RAYS	[crossout]Joe Maddon[/crossout]	2015	Mgr Opted out of contract's final year
TIGERS	Brad Ausmus	2016 + option for �17
INDIANS	Terry Francona	2016
ROYALS	Ned Yost	2015
TWINS	[crossout]Ron Gardenhire[/crossout]	2015	Fired Sept �14
WHITE SOX	Robin Ventura	2014
ANGELS	Mike Scioscia	2018
RANGERS	[crossout]Ron Washington[/crossout]	2014 - Resigned Sept 2014	Hired Jeff Banister
MARINERS	Lloyd McClendon	201?
ASTROS	[crossout]Bo Porter[/crossout]	Fired Sept 2014	AJ Hinch - Hired Sept 2014
ATHLETICS	Bob Melvin	2016

[Guest d'Kong76]

Cubs wrote: Last Thursday, we learned that Joe Maddon - who may be as well suited as anyone in the industry to manage the challenges that lie ahead of us - had become a free agent. We confirmed the news with Major League Baseball, and it became public knowledge the next day. We saw it as a unique opportunity and faced a clear dilemma: be loyal to Rick or be loyal to the organization. In this business of trying to win a world championship for the first time in 107 years, the organization has priority over any one individual. We decided to pursue Joe. While there was no clear playbook for how to handle this type of situation, we knew we had to be transparent with Rick before engaging with Joe. Jed flew to San Diego last Friday and told Rick in person of our intention to talk to Joe about the managerial job. Subsequently, Jed and I provided updates to Rick via telephone and today informed him that we will indeed make a change.

Laying in on a little thick?

[G-Fafif]

I will never not think of Dirk Hayhurst's recollection when I think of Rick Renteria.

I doubt that Cubs manager Rick Renteria remembers the day that, back during his minor league managing tenure, he told my High-A team that our opponents, the San Jose Giants, bent us over and stuck it up our collectives asses. I remember. As a matter of fact, it's hard to forget when a man as relentlessly positive as Renty loses his cool and, in lieu of the normal postgame chitchat, pounds his fist violently into his open palm screaming, "Boom, boom, boom! No grease!" That's right, No grease, because if the image of getting sodomized by the other team wasn't stark enough to paint a picture of how you badly you've failed, knowing they didn't even respect you enough to use lube should drive the point the rest of the way. No pun intended. Ironically, none of us thought too hard about Renty's words at the time. We didn't dwell on the symbolism or substance. The point of the lecture wasn't the words themselves, it was that we played bad, beat ourselves and that the other team had no reason to respect us because we didn't respect us. We all sat at our lockers, heads down, tails between our legs, whimpering at Renty's words, not because we necessarily agreed with the analogies used to describe us, but because our master was angry and he only gets angry when we do wrong. Days later, when the team righted its bad play, we thought about the words more. The meaning, the implication, even the humor -- Did he really scream no grease? I mean, who on God's green earth uses grease for what he was implying? Goose grease? Axle grease? That's hardcore, bro. How could a man yell something that silly? Stranger still, how could something that silly be so impactful? I mean, we were playing better because of it.

[Guest d'Kong76]

And just like that, it's official:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-joe-maddon-cubs-manager-20141030-story.html

[Frayed Knot]

Two jobs remain open: Twins & Rays

TEAM	MANAGER	SIGNED THRU	STATUS
METS	Terry Collins	2015 + option for '16
BRAVES	Fredi Gonzalez	2015
PHILLIES	Ryne Sandberg	2016 + option for '17
NATIONALS	Matt Williams	2015 + options for �16 + �17
MARLINS	Mike Redmond	2015	Extended through 2017
CARDINALS	Mike Matheny	2017
PIRATES	Clint Hurdle	2017 + option for �18
CUBS	[crossout]Rick Renteria[/crossout]	Fired Oct 31	Hired Joe Maddon for 2015 - ?
REDS	Bryan Price	2016
BREWERS	Ron Roenicke	2015 + option for �16
DODGERS	Don Mattingly	2016
GIANTS	Bruce Bochy	2016
PADRES	Bud Black	2015
DBACKS	[crossout]Kirk Gibson[/crossout]	2014 -- Fired, Sept 2014	Chip Hale hired for 2015-16
ROCKIES	Walt Weiss	2016
RED SOX	John Farrell	2016
YANKEES	Joe Girardi	2017
ORIOLES	Buck Showalter	2018
BLUE JAYS	John Gibbons	2015 + option for �16
RAYS	[crossout]Joe Maddon[/crossout]	2015	Mgr Opted out of contract's final year
TIGERS	Brad Ausmus	2016 + option for �17
INDIANS	Terry Francona	2016
ROYALS	Ned Yost	2015
TWINS	[crossout]Ron Gardenhire[/crossout]	2015	Fired Sept �14
WHITE SOX	Robin Ventura	2014
ANGELS	Mike Scioscia	2018
RANGERS	[crossout]Ron Washington[/crossout]	2014 - Resigned Sept 2014	Hired Jeff Banister - 2015-17 + '18 option
MARINERS	Lloyd McClendon	201?
ASTROS	[crossout]Bo Porter[/crossout]	Fired Sept 2014	AJ Hinch - Hired Sept 2014
ATHLETICS	Bob Melvin	2016

[batmagadanleadoff]

But it looks like the Mets just ain't interested in getting him. Probably 'cause the owners heads would explode if they hafta eat Terry's guaranteed 2015 salary on top of paying Maddon's price. And prolly 'cause Maddon's got the bona fides that he ain't gonna be intimidated by the little dipshit that's running the Mets more and more with each passing day. Bravo! It took a week for the Cubs to get him. While some eat up the drama behind batmag's hatred of his beloved, one has to think he was headed for the Cubs all along if they got things sewed up so quickly; so it really has nothing to do with the Mets or the Wilpons. I think it would be funny if it comes out the Rays gave him permission to seek em- ployment elsewhere, or even funnier if the Cubs tampered.

I guess your freakin' head also explodes if someone else here gets some enjoyment from one of my posts. You've managed to turn the Cubs apparent signing of Maddon into a personal thing with me. Don't blame me because the Wilpons reduced the Mets to a laughing stock. I'm just a messenger. And if the Mets never had a chance to get Maddon ... if it turns out that Maddon never wanted to manage a New York City based team that's been mediocre at best for more than half a decade ... if the Mets can't attract the Maddons of baseball, whose fault is that? Nobody's? That isn't more fallout from the owners' incompetence? One first place finish in 26 years. I really didn't deserve such a reaction, and all I said is that you are a little dramatic. Your response solidifies that point. No one here thinks the owner's are competent, and we all realize that sure, there may be guys who don't want to come here. But it looks like the Mets just ain't interested in getting him. Probably not, and I probably wouldn't want to come to a company that just signed the top dog and then fired him for me. That would make me feel real safe. Great way to do biz. Probably 'cause the owners heads would explode if they hafta eat Terry's guaranteed 2015 salary on top of paying Maddon's price. Maybe, but more likely it just makes your head explode thinking about would be and maybe if scenarios that ad- vance your agenda. And prolly 'cause Maddon's got the bona fides that he ain't gonna be intimidated by the little dipshit Terry's intimidated by Jeff? I didn't know. Who looks in- timidated in this pic?: [fimg=375]https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3156/5795583954_e7fc4bd5c4_z.jpg[/fimg] the little dipshit that's running the Mets more and more with each passing day. Decade old news, but nice drama. Sheesh.

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What does the Maddon signing have to do with my stance on the Wilpons? That sentence you stuck in there with my forum handle (bml) was superfluous and didn't add anything to the Maddon story -- other than showing that someone bravo'ing one of my posts also drives you nuts.You could've wrote the same post without the "bml" sentence and your post would've meant the exact same thing. What were you trying to do? Talk bmfc into editing the "Bravo" out of his post? Besides, he was responding to the post, not the poster. I presume that he would have responded with the same "Bravo" remark no matter who wrote that post.

No one here thinks the owner's are competent, and we all realize that ....

You could say that about anything. We all know how awesome Tom Seaver was, so don't bother writing about that, because what the hell can you tell us about Seaver that we don't already know? Same for everything else .. Lagares's defense, Bartolo's weight, whatever. Since everyone here is already an expert who knows everything about everything, maybe you shouldn't bother to post anything anymore. Funny how that negative fuck you, pay me Wilpon piece that was posted about 10 minutes ago didn't make you have any seizures. I guess with you, it's not the post, it's the poster.

[Guest d'Kong76]

While some eat up the drama behind [crossout:3rysv556]batmag's[/crossout:3rysv556] hatred
of his beloved

While some eat up the drama behind some fan's hatred
of their beloved

Leave me alone, you're starting to creep me out.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Looks like Paul Molitor is going to be Twins manager.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/281202021.html

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: Seems that there's a little bit of off-the-record grumbling about the ethics of Maddon (seemingly) ready to jump into a job that's currently occupied. That there are only 30 of these hard to land jobs available, at least some are contending that it's bad form for Maddon to effectively bounce one of his fellow skippers out of the one that he just landed a year ago.

Of course he also allowed someone to GET one of those coveted jobs, and one with an arguably better team.

[batmagadanleadoff]

d'Kong76 wrote: Leave me alone, you're starting to creep me out.

You've been abusing me for more than six years, even though for most of that time, I barely responded to any of your posts. You're so obsessed with me, that you even make personal comments about me in response to other poster's posts. And this latest instance isn't even the first or second time you pulled that stunt. I think you've got it all mixed up about who should be creeped out by whom.


Leave you alone? I did. You still continued with the abuse. You're the one with the problem.

[Edgy MD]

Ceetar wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Seems that there's a little bit of off-the-record grumbling about the ethics of Maddon (seemingly) ready to jump into a job that's currently occupied. That there are only 30 of these hard to land jobs available, at least some are contending that it's bad form for Maddon to effectively bounce one of his fellow skippers out of the one that he just landed a year ago. Of course he also allowed someone to GET one of those coveted jobs, and one with an arguably better team.

That's one way of looking at it. I don't think fellow managers will see it that way.

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: Ceetar wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Seems that there's a little bit of off-the-record grumbling about the ethics of Maddon (seemingly) ready to jump into a job that's currently occupied. That there are only 30 of these hard to land jobs available, at least some are contending that it's bad form for Maddon to effectively bounce one of his fellow skippers out of the one that he just landed a year ago. Of course he also allowed someone to GET one of those coveted jobs, and one with an arguably better team. That's one way of looking at it. I don't think fellow managers will see it that way.

Maybe not. Let them grumble, they're evaluation of their own self-worth is highly overstated. Perhaps they should think about WHY Maddon is coveted.

[Guest d'Kong76]

And it's official:
http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/279631372.html

[Guest d'Kong76]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Leave you alone? I did. You still continued with the abuse. You're the one with the problem.

Calling something you posted dramatic is hardly abusive.
But no, you have to start in with exploding head and seizures
and more drama. This isn't my first rodeo, Zippy. Just leave
it be please! For the children!

[Guest d'Kong76]

Tampering, schmampering...
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/rays/joe-maddon-agent-says-tampering-charge-sad-and-insulting/2204793

Edited November 3, 2014 by Guest