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[Edgy MD]

Mets, caught up in the culture of the times, continue to wring hands over their marginal success, torn in internal (but leaky) discussions over limiting Jacob deGrom's innings. Wheeler's too. And among their potential replacements, Rafael Montero and Noah Syndergaard would be looking at eventual shutdowns too, under the general philosophy. You saw that coming.

Please pick a selection [crossout]below[/crossout] above that best represents your general attitude. Feel free to elaborate below.

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: Please pick a selection below that best represents your general attitude. Feel free to elaborate below.

but but the selections are ABOVE


Don't do anything. These situations often resolve themselves in some ways. And if the Mets don't actually climb into a pennant race, you can do whatever you want in late August/September. 6-7 man rotations, bullpen, early shutdowns for some, etc. Especially if he/they starts to look gassed.

[Edgy MD]

They were below when I typed it.

I should have included an "expand the rotation" option.

[Centerfield]

Also, I thought I read someplace that deGrom has already had TJ surgery. Did I make that up?

[HahnSolo]

I don't know really whether the innings limit accomplishes what it sets out to do... which I guess is not overworking arms so that they don't break down? Much as I would like to vote "do nothing" I realize that is not just a DeGrom decision; that would have to be an organization-wide mandate and I don't think the org will do that. I'm not sure if they should either...again I'm not really sure whether it accomplishes anything or not. Lots of young guys with innings limits still come down with arm injuries.

I'm very much intrigued by 4, and would love to see a team try that. But I suspect it will be either: 3, which I don't really like; 7, which I guess I can live with if the org is going to stick to its limits; or the write in candidate of expanding the rotation.

I'd go with expanding the rotation

[MFS62]

HahnSolo wrote: I'd go with expanding the rotation

That's the option I was looking for.
And, yes, he has already had TJ surgery.

Later

[Guest d'Kong76]

I took de#2

[seawolf17]

I took de#2 also, although #1 is really the same to me.

[TransMonk]

I see no need to shut him down. If anything, I agree that there are plenty of arms for the innings left. The Mets should get creative using a rotation of more than 5 starters to give work and/or rest to whoever needs it.

[Guest themetfairy]

TransMonk wrote: I see no need to shut him down. If anything, I agree that there are plenty of arms for the innings left. The Mets should get creative using a rotation of more than 5 starters to give work and/or rest to whoever needs it.

I like this option the best.

[TransMonk]

TransMonk wrote: The Mets should get creative using a rotation of more than 5 starters to give work and/or rest to whoever needs it.

After reading this again, I guess it should be "whomever needs it", right?

[Guest themetfairy]

TransMonk wrote: TransMonk wrote: The Mets should get creative using a rotation of more than 5 starters to give work and/or rest to whoever needs it. After reading this again, I guess it should be "whomever needs it", right?

No, actually. "Whoever needs it" is correct.

[TransMonk]

Thanks...as much as I try, I can never keep that straight in my head!

[Guest themetfairy]

You would use whom the same way you would use him

Who needs it? He needs it.

To whom? To him.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Post-TJ? Age 26? Gimme #2. (Although both the start-with-middle-reliever-then-deGrom option and the off-the-menu expanded-rotation option intrigue, because, hey, Fun With Optimizin'-Strategemizin'!)

[Theoldmole]

MetFairy has it. Substitute he and him, and it's easy.

And pitchers should pitch. Rather than limit innings, or count pitches, both of which are ridiculous if you're not a little leaguer, teach pitchers to pitch with some respect for the human arm, and teach them to be smart (can you do that?)

[Ceetar]

TheOldMole wrote: MetFairy has it. Substitute he and him, and it's easy. And pitchers should pitch. Rather than limit innings, or count pitches, both of which are ridiculous if you're not a little leaguer, teach pitchers to pitch with some respect for the human arm, and teach them to be smart (can you do that?)

You're up 2-1. 8th inning. You're at 90 pitches, with a runner on second and a slugger at the plate. What pitching _isn't_ pushing through any fatigue there? maybe subconsciously dropping their arm angle, pushing through a little pain?

[Zvon]

themetfairy wrote: You would use whom the same way you would use him Who needs it? He needs it. To whom? To him.

Great tip TMF

I picked shorten his outings, and I mean that with possible exceptions.
Use something that is rarely used anymore. Discretion.

[seawolf17]

Cerrone's got a hairbrained double-start idea where deGrom and Syndergaard go four innings each on a designated day.

Why not just go to a six-man rotation?

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

seawolf17 wrote: Cerrone's got a hairbrained double-start idea where deGrom and Syndergaard go four innings each on a designated day. Why not just go to a six-man rotation?

The half-start thing-- as I've heard it-- puts them on target to throw every 2-3 days (as they do most of the season, throw days inclusive), only instead of start/throw days, you've got two long-relief stints. The six-man rotation spreads out that routine a bit, to the extent that it might throw off routine-reliant pitchers (read: ALL of them).