2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

[Frayed Knot]

More like: Eau de Grab Some Pine

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Frayed Knot wrote: This time Pineda thought he'd hide his pine tar stash on his neck ... but this time he was caught and ejected. That boy just ain't right

That's even better than getting away with it once. LOLYankees

[metirish]

Great story , as Gary tells it the ump went out, touched Pineda's neck , looked at his finger and tossed him, hopefully in a very exaggerated motion.

[Frayed Knot]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: That's even better than getting away with it once. LOLYankees

That both times came against the same team in consecutive starts just adds to the dumpth factor.

[Edgy MD]

Is he just so dependent on the stuff that the idea of laying off of it until the heat cleared wasn't an option?

[Frayed Knot]

Maybe he felt that since Boston mgr Farrell gave him a pass last time on a windy and chilly day that doing it again would be no big deal.
But even with the dark stain on his dark skin being less obvious than it would be on, say, me, "hiding" that stuff on your neck when you're 6' 8" isn't exactly subtle.

[nymr83]

Didn't the YANKEE CHEATER have his own thread?

[Edgy MD]

Worth noting as well: Yankees lost the game to the last-place Red Sox.

[Frayed Knot]

Nymr83 wrote: Didn't the YANKEE CHEATER have his own thread?

Maybe, it's so hard to keep track.

Gotta like Sterling & Waldman's reaction, both of whom immediately went into: 'this is going to come back and bite the Red Sox' mode.
Not sure if they're expecting the payback somewhere down the road (certainly possible) or if they thought (hoped ... prayed?) that something was going to happen by the following inning.

[Ceetar]

You know..I don't think Pineda actually violated rule 8.02.

You're allowed to put rosin (i.e. is a solid form of resin obtained from pines and some other plants ) on your hands, just not the ball.

Rule 8.02(a) Comment: If at any time the ball hits the rosin bag it is in play. In the case of rain or wet field, the umpire may instruct the pitcher to carry the rosin bag in his hip pocket. A pitcher may use the rosin bag for the purpose of applying rosin to his bare hand or hands. Neither the pitcher nor any other player shall dust the ball with the rosin bag; neither shall the pitcher nor any other player be permitted to apply rosin from the bag to his glove or dust any part of his uniform with the rosin bag.

You can put rosin/resin on your hands. Not on the ball, not on your glove. not on your uniform. But your neck? Doesn't say.

[Edgy MD]

It implies a cheating intent. I think umps get leeway here.

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: It implies a cheating intent. I think umps get leeway here.

Well sure. But even the comment doesn't explicitly say you can't have it on your skin. It's just interesting to me how weird the whole thing is. I mean, you have a bag of the stuff on the mound already.

I also don't like leaving anything up to umpire discretion. see also: check swing.

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

Looks like Pineda gets 10 days for applying artificial Yankee Magic to his neck.

[Frayed Knot]

10 game suspension for Pineda -- aka: he misses 1 start then delays his next start by one day.
Suspensions for starting pitchers often aren't as harsh as they sound.

[metsmarathon]

Let me see if I understand properly what happened here. For all of baseball history from time immorial, if the picture is caught with rosin or pine tar on his hand or body he is labeled a dirty rotten cheater.

But now all of a sudden the Yankee pitcher uses pine tar on his body or hand and lo and behold we should change the rules. The rule is clearly wrong! It must be a bad rule if a Yankee is breaking it!

What am I missing?

[Ceetar]

yeah, you really didn't get this "make it legal" push when other guys have gotten caught.

The "Didn't want to hit guys" argument is so stupid too.

[Edgy MD]

Deadspin is all over the notion that baseball is wrong and crazy here. Weird cause to take up.

#FREEPINEDA

[Guest d'Kong76]

In case no one has heard, Pineda will not appeal the
suspension. I repeat, Pineda and the Yankees will not
appeal the suspension.

[Frayed Knot]

In a continuation of the same cold, windy weather as seen all over the east coast this week, Thursday's game in Fenway featured 6 errors (5 by the Sox), 4 wild pitches, 1 passed ball, and 2 HBPs

SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T ALLOW PINE TAR?!?!!?
Michael Pineda is clearly a man looking out for the good of the game.

[Ceetar]

Yankees are expected to win their 10000th game this season. Think anyone's enough of a historian to realize it? And will they make a big deal out of it?

[Benjamin Grimm]

It wouldn't be at all like the Yankees to try to trumpet their own glory.

[Edgy MD]

Dwight Gooden, not backing Pineda.

So how exactly does pine tar give pitchers an edge? �It�s definitely used for movement,� the 1985 National League Cy Young Award winner told the radio duo. �It gives you a better grip to snap the curveball, makes it sharper than it would if you�re not using pine tar. Same thing with the slider, forkball (and) sinker as well, because it gives you a better grip. I know a lot�s been said about guys saying they use it to help them with control when the weather is cold. ��That�s totally false. Professional pitchers, there�s a lot of ways you can (stay warm and maintain control) � It�s definitely used to get a sharper break on all your offspeed pitches, without a doubt.�

[Ceetar]

Bobby Valentine

Pine tar? Rosin is the form of pine tar that does Not stay on the ball and does Not affect the flight of the ball!!

Cheat better? Lie better? I don't get it. Rule also says it needs to be on the ball!! Let's get it right!

Btw. The reason a bat can not have pine tar on the hitting surface, remember George Brett,

is the tar would be on the ball when hit and it becomes a dangerous situation

[Frayed Knot]

The reason for the pine tar only part-way up the bat rule was so, back in the day when they used as few balls as possible per game, the normal hitting portion of the bat would be clean and therefore not dirty-up the ball when contact was made.
That's why the ump's decision in the Brett case was over-turned. Brett's bat was technically illegal but it was clear that there was no advantage nor attempt to gain an advantage as a result of what he did. Hence the ruling was that the negation of his HR and subsequent ejection (following that marvelous tirade) while technically correct, were judged to be against "the spirit" of the rule.

[Fman99]

I didn't stain my underpants with shit. Not me. It's totally pine tar. It improved the grip on my 'roos.

[G-Fafif]

Mets and MFYs have same 13-10 record, though I wouldn't use such a decrepit organization as a yardstick for our team's resurgence.

[Benjamin Grimm]

One seventh of the way through the season, 13-10 projects to... 91 wins!

[Frayed Knot]

There's something very heartwarming listening to YLDBs bemoaning a free agent who left for more money elsewhere.


oe: Fernando Rodney tried real hard to blow a four-run lead in the 9th, but had to settle for K-ing Jeter & Beltran as the tying run to end the game.
6-3 Seattle final.

[MFS62]

Waitaminit!
Michael Pineda was injured while pitching in an extended spring training game in Florida????
Isn't he on suspension for that pine tar thingie?
Is he allowed to participate in a team organized practice?

Are any of the reporters who follow the team wondering about this?

Later

[Frayed Knot]

Under suspension you ARE allowed to participate in team activities so long as it's not a regularly scheduled game in some sort of league. IOW, nothing that goes on in front of paying customers.

--- I'm sure that's not the official wording of the rule but that's more or less the gist of it. 'Extended Spring Training' is essentially a bunch of intra-team scrimmages.