Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

[G-Fafif]

Collins responded to pregame question about Jordany Valdespreening with classic "fans can eff themselves" type answer.

[G-Fafif]

I don't answer to fans. They don't play this game. They have no idea what goes on in there. They have absolutely no idea what it takes to be a professional teammate.

As reported by Record's Mike Kerwick.

Not that inflammatory but definitely something smoldering there, considering the question wasn't about fans.

[Edgy MD]

What it takes to be a professional teammate:
[list:2w5oay3p][*:2w5oay3p]access to body armor[/*:m:2w5oay3p]
[*:2w5oay3p]a spare tee-shirt[/*:m:2w5oay3p]
[*:2w5oay3p]a liberal tolerance for vicious cream pies[/*:m:2w5oay3p][/list:u:2w5oay3p].

[G-Fafif]

We have at least a little idea of what goes on "in there," maybe.

[G-Fafif]

Not that thrilled with what goes on "out there," either.

[duan]

I should probably post this in the Terry Hot Seat thing, but I'm getting the feeling he's not far from being pushed overboard, he's reached the stage where he's getting overly defensive about EVERYTHING talking in exasperated tones and generally appearing like a bit of a dick. I'm thinking he's got till the subway series and if we're still hitting and pitching badly they'll whack him.

[metirish]

Just saw the interview, man Collins was pissed..... I think watching him he would take back the 'fans' comment.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Rey Ordonez punched his ticket out of town when he called Mets fans "stupid". And as much as I loathed Ordonez, the circumstances surrounding his eventual trade annoyed me even more and confirmed, once again, what a moronic franchise the Wilpon Mets were. I mean, that's what finally compelled the Mets to dump that fraud on some other sucker? Not the seven years and 3,000+ PA's worth of utter incompetence and Double A hitting? Jeez.

[ashie62]

Terry Collins is a dead manager walking

[ashie62]

G-Fafif wrote: I don't answer to fans. They don't play this game. They have no idea what goes on in there. They have absolutely no idea what it takes to be a professional teammate. As reported by Record's Mike Kerwick. Not that inflammatory but definitely something smoldering there, considering the question wasn't about fans.

Terry, the fans help pay your salary douchenozzle..

[Edgy MD]

We're all dead men walking, Ashie. In the meantime, there's still a game tonight.

[G-Fafif]

Rubin with deeper comments here.

Terry Collins became agitated with continued questions about Jordany Valdespin getting plunked Saturday. That was especially evident when the manager was asked pregame Tuesday about whether the Mets hung Valdespin �out to dry� by pinch-hitting him when there was a reasonable suspicion �Spin would be hit with a pitch. �I don�t answer to fans. They don�t play this game,� Collins said. �They have no idea what goes on. They have no idea what goes on in there. They have absolutely no idea what it means to be a professional teammate at this level. � I�ll tell you one thing: Jordany knew they were going to throw at him. He knew it. And you�ve got to go take your medicine. That�s part of being a big guy in this league.� Asked a follow-up question about the perception of the incident as the Mets not defending Valdespin, Collins cut off the question. �I don�t care what the perception is,� the manager said. �All I know is what goes on here. I�ve been doing this for 42 years. I don�t care what anybody on the outside thinks. I know how to get it done in the clubhouse. I�ve been doing it a lot longer than a lot of people. He�s fine. He handled it great, I thought, the way he went about it. He went to first base. He didn�t throw his bat any place. � He did it the right way. And now it�s over. Now we move on.�

As Marc Carig of Newsday noted savvily, other teams with "problem child" players just send them down but Mets don't have the depth to be without their part-time OF/PH.

[Fman99]

Fuck us? Fuck you, Terry. At least you get paid to watch this fucking pile of Mets.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I don;t know this for sure but when he said "fans" I'm pretty sure he meant Mike Francessa the so-called advocate of the fan who helped to make that incident the kind of thing Terry gets asked about more than he'd like.

In the meantime his guys are really playing like shit that that's got to be bothering him too.

Just me but Terry is managing the everloving fuck out of this team, it's not his fault his best players include Jeremy Hefner.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I don;t know this for sure but when he said "fans" I'm pretty sure he meant Mike Francessa the so-called advocate of the fan who helped to make that incident the kind of thing Terry gets asked about more than he'd like. In the meantime his guys are really playing like shit that that's got to be bothering him too. Just me but Terry is managing the everloving fuck out of this team, it's not his fault his best players include Jeremy Hefner.

G&K addressing this NOW! and trying to contextualize Terry's comments.

[Zvon]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Just me but Terry is managing the everloving fuck out of this team, it's not his fault his best players include Jeremy Hefner.

Not just you. I like that the booth is addressing this.

[Edgy MD]

Terry's got the George Bamberger thing happening. I think he cares more than we can see. And he's barely. Got. A lid. On himself.

It should be a ticket promotion. Get out to the park! You'd hate to not be there the night Terry exploded!

[Guest vtmet]

Zvon wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Just me but Terry is managing the everloving fuck out of this team, it's not his fault his best players include Jeremy Hefner. Not just you. I like that the booth is addressing this.

he's managing like he's bipolar...publicly making a decision one day, and then doing a total 180 the next day...

His decision making skills remind me of when the David Tennant Doctor Who regenerated into the Matt Smith Doctor WHo...with the Matt Smith version, making statements that he was hungry and loved a certain food; only to spit that food out as soon he put it in his mouth...and did the same thing repeatedly until he wound up liking "Custard and Fish Fingers" (which makes as much sense as Ruben Tejada batting leadoff)...

Oo2RKAHu-kI

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

I would probably pay decent money for a "Hurl Shitty Questions At The Manager! Make Him Break!" booth in the center field pavilion.

[Guest vtmet]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I would probably pay decent money for a "Hurl Shitty Questions At The Manager! Make Him Break!" booth in the center field pavilion.

Has Francessa ever really given Terry a hard time in an interview? I could imagine that idiot could make him snap...

[Frayed Knot]

vtmet wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I would probably pay decent money for a "Hurl Shitty Questions At The Manager! Make Him Break!" booth in the center field pavilion. Has Francessa ever really given Terry a hard time in an interview? I could imagine that idiot could make him snap...

Not so much a hard time, but what you have to remember about Francesa interviews is that they don't involve questions so much as they consist of the interviewER telling the interviewEE how much he knows about the subject matter so as to hopefully set up an answer of; "you're so right Mike".
And you can see how THAT can leave the impression where the fans (or, by extension, The FAN) think they can run a ballclub as well as the insiders.

[Ceetar]

the only real interaction Terry has with the 'fans' is what the media tells him we're supposedly thinking. But there a vast majority of us that wish people would stfu about Jordany Valdespin.

The media has decided that Terry is a lame duck. I could've written you this script in February. Jordany was such an obvious choice for focal point of a losing the clubhouse argument too. It's only a matter of time until we get in depth articles (I'm sure Rubin has already done this) about how Backman is succeeding with the 51s.

Carig is wrong. Plenty of people keep 'problem children' around in the majors and it means nothing. What Collins means is that a handful of reports in the paper about Valdespin does not mean he's a clubhouse problem that they can't handle. If he wasn't manageable, they WOULD demote him. The Mets have plenty of outfielders in the system that can't get on base to replace him with.

Valdespin is just a pawn in a bigger discussion. And we discussed it here in the offseason too. The Mets are being secretive, with good cause, about where they're going in the future and when, particularly with regards to Collins. We're getting close to the point where someone is going to leak

"Collins has never been the long term answer. The Mets already know that they're going in a different direction in 2014, the year the front office has long targeted as the time to start investing in the team. (possibly insert Backman here). The only question is if Terry Collins plays out the season or if they promote/bring in the new guy to get a taste of the team before next year. (insert Backman promoted with Wheeler allusions here)"

[Frayed Knot]

Ceetar wrote: the only real interaction Terry has with the 'fans' is what the media tells him we're supposedly thinking.

This is what JCL was getting at above.
Terry's biggest crime in this whole deal was not phrasing himself very well. Fighting the fans is ALWAYS a losing proposition (calling Lee Elia) and just the fact that he made it appear that that's what he's doing puts him in a bad light even if by "fans" he meant: all you folks out there who think you know everything that goes on here.

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: the only real interaction Terry has with the 'fans' is what the media tells him we're supposedly thinking. This is what JCL was getting at above. Terry's biggest crime in this whole deal was not phrasing himself very well. Fighting the fans is ALWAYS a losing proposition (calling Lee Elia) and just the fact that he made it appear that that's what he's doing puts him in a bad light even if by "fans" he meant: all you folks out there who think you know everything that goes on here.

yeah. pretty much. Even though it was really just a "We're taking care of it" type response, he probably should've phrased it more like that. Although I guess he has in the past. Probably tires of repeating himself.

Someone tweeted that John Ricco was on WFAN or something. That guy really is the canary of organizational changes isn't he? Makes me nervous.

[batmagadanleadoff]

The Latest Mets Scandal Is So Stupid Even By Mets Scandal Standards

Jordany "Took a Spring Training Fastball Right To The Dick" Valdespin doesn't do a whole lot on the Mets. He doesn't walk, he can't play much defense, and he's hitting .235. He pinch-hits, with a start in center or at second every so often. He'll steal a base or hit a home run on a special day. But because these are the Mets, he is now the team's center of attention. It all started on Friday night, after Shaun Marcum�as is his wont�had pitched the Mets into a deep hole against the Pirates. When Valdespin, who had entered the game as a defensive replacement, came up for his first at-bat in the ninth, the Mets trailed Pittsburgh 7-1. Then Valdespin did this, against Jose Contreras: link to page where you can see Valdy cadillac it on SNY feed and then again, but with Howie Rose FAN call The consensus among the Pirates was that Valdespin stood there and admired his home run a bit too much for a five-run game. Why this is the Pirates' call to make mostly eludes me�they were, after Valdespin's moonshot, winning by five runs. One cannot really show one's opponent up when having one's snot kicked out by said opponent. But evidently they were mad. So Saturday's game rolled around. Because the Mets' starting pitcher that day was not named Matt Harvey, as just one of the Mets' five starters is, the Mets trailed Pittsburgh 10-1 in the seventh inning. Manager Terry Collins was looking for someone to bat for LaTroy Hawkins (who happens to be, if you haven't followed this clusterfuck of a season, the team's best setup man, despite being 40 years old and having an 89 mile-per-hour fastball straighter than Warren Beatty). Collins chose Valdespin. Valdespin, according to Andy Martino's Tuesday dispatch for the Daily News, told the team's trainer to tell Collins that he wasn't healthy enough to hit, presumably because he didn't want to get hit. When he finally stepped to the plate, he wore a new piece of elbow padding. And, sure enough, a Pirate pitcher drilled him in the forearm. Valdespin stared down the pitcher, then went to first. Once he was back in the dugout, he threw his helmet and looked around for support from his teammates (GIF here). He didn't get any. Then he declined to speak to the media after the game, which just prompted the media to chase him further. And so Martino nabbed this bit from a not-so-felicitous clubhouse source: Oh, and there was one more thing. Before Valdespin left the ballpark on Saturday, teammate Juan Lagares asked him for a ride home, according to a clubhouse source. Ever since Lagares arrived from the minor leagues on April 23, Valdespin has tried to force the outfielder to fetch him coffee and run other minor errands that rookies are often asked to perform for veterans, according to that same source (last year, Valdespin made enemies by demanding, unsuccessfully, that veterans buy him clothing). Because Valdespin has himself only been in the major leagues since 2012, Lagares has at times refused to comply with his demands. So on Saturday, Valdespin said no, he would not give Lagares a ride home. Fortunately, Ruben Tejada volunteered. Yes, you read that correctly. Where the Mets of recent history had rookie-veteran debates between super-phenom Lastings Milledge and all-star closer Billy Wagner, these Mets have the same fights between Jordany Valdespin, a part-time outfielder hitting .235, and Juan Lagares, a part-time outfielder hitting .139. Valdespin's only support came from fans, who�understandably�thought there was something wicked in Collins sending him up on Saturday to get plunked. But Collins doesn't listen to fans! �I don�t answer to fans. They don�t play this game,� he said Tuesday night. "They have no idea what goes on. They have no idea what goes on in there. They have absolutely no idea what it means to be a professional teammate at this level." (Does Collins? He never made the bigs. And his last winning season as a manager came in 1998.) So why not cut Valdespin, then? Well, the team is on a 4-13 skid, fielding a bad lineup�think "John Buck, who is hitting .125/.222/.219 in his last nine games, and Ike Davis, who is hitting .169/.261/.288 overall, sharing the cleanup spot" bad�and enraging any fan docile enough to keep watching its games. Valdespin is, remarkably, one of the team's better hitters, and one of its most exciting presences. Maybe the kid is a distraction, but he's distracting from a tire fire. Did we mention top pitching prospect Zack Wheeler flew to New York yesterday? A call-up, perhaps? Not quite. He's there to undergo a doctor's evaluation after soreness in his clavicle. Another great day in the great history of a great franchise.

http://deadspin.com/the-latest-mets-scandal-is-so-stupid-even-by-mets-scand-506678407

[Ceetar]

That's a great troll post by deadspin. *rolls eyes*

[batmagadanleadoff]

I thought it was kinda funny.

Because it was true.


(Except the part about Valdy being the Mets center of attention).

[Ceetar]

It's deadspin's style, so whatever, but Milledge was a super-phenom and Lagares is a part time outfielder after 2 weeks?

Shot at Collins for not winning.

Joke about Wheeler getting called up.

Inferring other teams would've released Valdespin and then calling him one of the Mets best hitters (neither is true) nor is Hawkins their best setup man.

[metirish]

I have been meaning to give props on the thread title...

[Edgy MD]

Let's clear this up. Surely somebody here can give Lagares a ride home.