A Byrd in the Hand (Formerly Byrd Shit)

[Ceetar]

Vic Sage wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I think I said this in some other thread but the only way I trade Parnell is in a deal where the other guy totally overpays, like totally. No other reason to move him now. This. Parnell is part of the solution, not the problem. He's young, talented, relatively inexpensive, and still under team control. Why on Earth should they trade him unless they're getting more back than he's worth?

because there is a good chance you'll get back more than he's worth do to the overvalued nature of closers.

[Vic Sage]

ok, that's your assumption and it may be true, and that's why i qualified my statement by saying "unless your getting back more than he's worth."

Trades are made to (1) dump contracts, or (2) dump problem children, or (3) to get something for a guy your going to lose anyway, or (4) to deal from a surplus to get equal value at another position where you have greater need, or (5) because you see a player on another team who you really want and are willing to overpay to get him, or (6) if another team sees such a player on your roster and offers to overpay.

Now the first 3 reasons don't apply to Parnell, and so I was ruling out reasons 4 and 5 as acceptable reasons as well, leaving only reason 6 as valid in his case. But that's not particular to Parnell; I would think just about ANY player would be available for a trade if a team wanted to overpay for him. I just don't want Sandy openly shopping Parnell to fish for such an offer beyond letting teams know that anybody on the roster is always up for discussion.

[duan]

I think if you could turn Bobby Parnell into a young potentially high impact outfielder you should do it.
I don't think you'd get a Nick Castellanos but if Detroit were offering him I'd definitely strongly consider it.

[Edgy MD]

Castellano seems like a guy wiithout a position to me, gravitating like Wilmer Flores toward 1B/DH, with a bat that would look good any other place but there.

I like that he seemed to have lost his batting eye in 2012, and then found it again this year.

[duan]

I suppose I was looking at definite contending clubs that needed "a closer" who had OF's near to ML level that could be well above average.
He was first one to jump out.

[batmagadanleadoff]

July 11, 2013 11:00 PM
Will Mets trade Marlon Byrd? Explaining their deadline approach
BY Andy Martino

Marlon Byrd is the perfect candidate to be traded this month, right? A veteran on a one-year contract, distinguishing himself with dynamic play for the non-contending Mets and not a part of their future -- that�s a guy who moves to a better team before the July 31 trade deadline. Except that he probably isn�t. According to a person with direct knowledge of the Mets� thinking, the club is far more likely to duplicate its approach with Scott Hairston last year, holding onto Byrd in an effort to be respectable in the second half. This info provides a good jumping-off point to unpack what the Mets mean by �standing pat� at the deadline, which they are likely to do. For several years, it has been the team�s style to avoid shaving decent pieces from the roster mid-season, and this summer is no different, team insiders say. The Mets, as we have reported, have always been more inclined to add players this season, but have found that top targets like Giancarlo Stanton and Carlos Gonzalez are unavailable at the moment. The team was never serious about selling, so in the absence of attractive buying possibilities, they have told other teams that they will, as the saying goes, stand pat. The reluctance to hang a For Sale sign around Byrd, Daniel Murphy, Bobby Parnell and others has been met with some skepticism around the league. Said one rival scout: �I�m hearing they want to stand pat, but I can�t read whether that�s posturing to drive up prices.� Time will tell on that, but the Hairston model is an instructive one, and more appropriate for the Mets this season than last. Unlike in 2012, the 2013 Mets failed to create much hope or energy in the first few months (�we�re going to lose 100 games this year,� a player groaned to me -- in May). But in recent weeks, that has changed. Sandy Alderson�s re-arranging of the roster deck chairs a few weeks ago seemed to energize the team; Lucas Duda and Ruben Tejada gave way to Eric Young Jr. and Omar Quintanilla, making the Mets a more athletic team, and far sleeker defensively. Pitching coach Dan Warthen has helped to squeeze the most from Jeremy Hefner and Dillon Gee, and Zack Wheeler has shown improvement of late. Because of these factors, the Mets have a chance to reverse the trend of recent seasons, finishing with more energy than they began -- which could, incidentally, save the job of an excellent manager in Terry Collins. Moving Byrd and others (especially Parnell, who the Daily News reported last week is highly likely to stay), would crush any hope of that. It is debatable whether the Mets could even receive a decent piece in exchange for Byrd. Here, Hairston is once again a useful example. A few days ago, Chicago traded Hairston to Washington for Single-A pitcher Ivan Pineyro. A Cubs insider told us that Pineyro is a prospect, but �a few years away.� Is it worth it for the Mets to move Byrd for an arm that might or might not be useful in 2016? The team would rather try to win a few more games this summer.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/baseballinsider/2013/07/will-mets-trade-marlon-byrd-explaining-their-deadline-approach-ominous-injur

[metirish]

Hey guys, with a respectable second half our beloved Mets could finish 4th......I say, stand pat then......

[Ceetar]

I�m hearing they want to stand pat, but I can�t read whether that�s posturing to drive up prices.

Good job Sandy. Keep 'em on their toes.

[Lefty Specialist]

Ceetar wrote: I�m hearing they want to stand pat, but I can�t read whether that�s posturing to drive up prices. Good job Sandy. Keep 'em on their toes.

This.

I think if anything, Sandy learned the lesson that NOT moving Hairston at the deadline was a mistake. He didn't make the team any more competitive, and he signed elsewhere in the off-season.

[Ceetar]

Lefty Specialist wrote: Ceetar wrote: I�m hearing they want to stand pat, but I can�t read whether that�s posturing to drive up prices. Good job Sandy. Keep 'em on their toes. This. I think if anything, Sandy learned the lesson that NOT moving Hairston at the deadline was a mistake. He didn't make the team any more competitive, and he signed elsewhere in the off-season.

maybe, but had he moved Hairston perhaps random official doesn't make the above quote/have that uncertainty.