A-Rod and others in new PED report

[metsmarathon]

yeah, the smaller the suspension, the better, imo. i'd be really surprised if he ends up with more than 50 days.

i get that the mlb seems to have evidence that he used for multiple years. well, so fucking what. you don;t get banned for each time you use, you get banned for each time you get caught. he got caught this once. otherwise, if any of hte other 12 50-gamers received more than one round of treatment, well, they should get the 50+100+whatever also.

he probably brought in other guys to biogenesis. so? was he getting kickbacks, a finder's fee? no? well, so fucking what.

did he try to hide and frustrate mlb's investigation? yep. well, so did melky cabrera. so, so fucking what.

the suspension of arod appears very much to be malicious and arbitrary. he should be suspended 50 games.

but because of hte maliciousness and arbitrariness of hte suspension, i wonder if the arbitrator has any way to push back against the mlb, to punish them, and to waive the entire suspension, absent any other recompense.

if not, that's cool. i just want the dude to be in pinstripes next year. well, really, all i care about is that he's on their payroll next year.

[ashie62]

I look at A-Rods age and figure hes finished anyway..

[Edgy MD]

Well, he's got about $60 million reasons to keep playing. Maybe more.

[metirish]

It will be interesting to see how the best fans in the game treat Rodriguez tonight.

[Edgy MD]

The Yankees are in St. Louis?

[metirish]

Edgy MD wrote: The Yankees are in St. Louis?

[batmagadanleadoff]

A-Rod implicated fellow players in doping investigation
By Michael Radutzky

"60 Minutes" has learned that members of New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez's inner circle in February obtained and leaked documents that implicated Milwaukee Brewers slugger Ryan Braun as well as his own Yankees teammate, catcher Francisco Cervelli, in the doping scandal that has enveloped Major League Baseball. The leak came just days after the weekly newspaper Miami New Times published documents in January detailing Rodriguez's pervasive use of performance enhancing drugs. The handwritten documents of Anthony Bosch, the key witness in Major League Baseball's PED investigation, revealed comprehensive doping regimens that Bosch had engineered for a host of professional athletes. His cooperation with MLB has resulted in the suspension of Rodriguez and 13 other major league players. Braun and Cervelli's names were redacted in the Miami New Times documents. Members of Rodriguez's camp at the time obtained unredacted versions and leaked them to Yahoo! Sports, according to two sources with direct knowledge of the matter. The unredacted documents also implicated Baltimore Oriole Danny Valencia, who MLB later investigated and cleared. CBSSports' Danny Knobler: Among A-Rod's sins, outing other players is a new low In a statement to "60 Minutes," Rodriguez lawyer David Cornwell said, "The allegations are untrue and are another attempt to harm Alex -- this time by driving a wedge between Alex and other players in the game. While Alex focuses on baseball and repeatedly states that he is going to respect the appeal process, the drumbeat of false allegations continues." On July 22, Braun accepted a 65-game suspension for the remainder of the 2013 season for taking performance-enhancing drugs. And on Aug. 5, Cervelli, along with 11 other players, accepted a 50-game ban. MLB has suspended Rodriguez for 211 games. He is appealing. All three of the unredacted documents leaked to Yahoo! Sports list Braun's name. One document shows Braun on a Bosch list along with Rodriguez, Cervelli, Toronto Blue Jays outfielder Melky Cabrera and minor league pitcher Cesar Carrillo, all of whom have been suspended for PEDs. The revelation that members of Rodriguez's camp at the time leaked documents implicating other players to the media could present significant problems for Rodriguez's legal team as they enter the arbitration process to appeal his suspension. Baseball officials say they levied a harsher suspension on Rodriguez because of his continued use of PEDs over multiple years as well as his attempt to "obstruct and frustrate" MLB's investigation. Rodriguez's case is set to be heard by arbitrator Fredric Horowitz in the coming weeks. If MLB were to present evidence that Rodriguez's camp knowingly leaked additional Bosch business records, it might demonstrate that Rodriguez's camp had not only obtained them to keep them out of the hands of investigators, but that he actively sought to interfere with baseball's investigation by releasing other players' names. Baseball's collective bargaining agreement requires that any allegations of PED use are to first be dealt with privately before either the Commissioner's office or the Players Association makes any names public. The premature release of a player's name is a direct violation of the collective bargaining agreement. MLB Players Association head Michael Weiner has said he will support Rodriguez's appeal of the 211-game ban. "We feel what he (MLB Commissioner Bud Selig) did, frankly, was inappropriate and almost ridiculous," he said in an interview earlier this month. "Look at the penalties that have been [given] out and cases that have been decided by the commissioner's office along with the Players Association. Nothing comes close to 211 games." In early April, accusations arose that Rodriguez had purchased at least some of Bosch's business records. Rodriguez's spokesperson at the time flatly denied the reports. Rodriguez has denied any connection to Bosch and his clinic, and says he was never treated by him, advised by him, and that the Miami New Times documents implicating him are not legitimate

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57598805/a-rod-fingered-fellow-players-in-doping-investigation/

[metsmarathon]

i still fail to see how or why arod should be punished for more than 50 games.

he failed an off-the-record, not-for-score test years back. he's not yet tripped the 50 day suspension (unless suspensions are to be given out for each instance of usage, not each failed test, which would be bullshit), so anything he's done should be counted as a first offense.

he attempted to distract, evade, discourage, and befuddle the official mlb investigation. so did melky cabrera.

are we to believe that no other player who was on teh 100-player list from way back when has never popped a positive?

he violated, presumably, the confidentiality of the CBA. is that a suspensable offense? if so, it should be administered separately, no?

but he's a dick and nobody likes him. ok. ban him for life.

[Centerfield]

If this were true, wouldn't giving up other players be, you know, helping an investigation?

[dinosaur jesus]

Centerfield wrote: If this were true, wouldn't giving up other players be, you know, helping an investigation?

Not if MLB already had the information. ARod leaked it to Yahoo, not to the investigators. Whether that actually impedes the investigation is dubious, but it's obviously an attempt to shape public perception of it.

[Edgy MD]

If he's buying documents to keep them out of MLB hands, and leaking out info other players on his own terms while holding other info back, it's not exactly helping in the broad sense.

MLB's got him in a bind, and that's why they brought such a big hammer. A suspension is under discrete terms. He wants to appeal, they know that's his right and he may even win, or at least get a big chunk of that sentence cut. But to appeal, he's got to be good with all the evidence coming to light publicly, which MLB is betting he doesn't want. So he's appealing, but they figure he probably doesn't want that appeal to be publicly heard, and will return to negotiate a plea bargain when the terms are right.

Maybe he won't, but that's how they're playing their hand. Do they even need to disclose to him all the garbage they've got?

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[Frayed Knot]

-- Ryan Braun is to break his silence this afternoon and is expected to say ... "Yeah, I've been lying all along. I actually did it"

-- And KC 2nd/3rd baseman Miguel Tejada gets hit with a 105 games (huh?) suspension for his third positive test for amphetamines. That knocks the 39 y/o one-time MVP who did not play at all in the majors last year out for the remainder of this season and more than half of next; aka: this probably ends his career.

[Edgy MD]

I'm guessing amphetamine suspensions are on something like a 35-70-105 schedule, rather than the 50-100-deep-dark-hole schedule of 'roids and HGH.

It would have been nice if they thought to pop Miggy before he went 5-9 against us in KC.

[Edgy MD]

List of things Tejada has lied about:

[*:s53ev4d8]Demanding to be traded from the Orioles in the 2005-2006 offseason[/*:m:s53ev4d8]
[*:s53ev4d8]Using amphteamines[/*:m:s53ev4d8]
[*:s53ev4d8]Using roids, to Congress[/*:m:s53ev4d8]
[*:s53ev4d8]What he gave to Palmiero, probably[/*:m:s53ev4d8]
[*:s53ev4d8]His age[/*:m:s53ev4d8][/list:o:s53ev4d8]

[Zvon]

So he's a cheat and a squealer. No big surprise.

[Guest d'Kong76]

So .... watching New12 Westchester this morning and the sports
comes on and of course the lead story is Ahole's attorneys and the
club reaction. This segued into highlights of the game in Boston yes-
terday. They concluded with today's schedule, NY at Boston, Mets
wrap things up in San Diego, bbbyyy.

No Mets or Jets coverage at all. WTF, make him go away. Please.

[Edgy MD]

So, if you really have any grounds to complain that your club asked your surgeon to deliberately botch your surgery, isn't that the kind of thing that should appear in a legal filing or an official criminal complaint rather than a bitch press conference?

[bmfc1]

-- And KC 2nd/3rd baseman Miguel Tejada gets hit with a 105 games (huh?) suspension for his third positive test for amphetamines. That knocks the 39 y/o one-time MVP who did not play at all in the majors last year out for the remainder of this season and more than half of next; aka: this probably ends his career.

The Royals should have to forfeit their two wins against the Mets when Tejada went 4 for 7.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Wonder what year they'll retire his number.

[Frayed Knot]

Anybody besides me getting a kick out of the idea that YLDBs think ARod, who could be suspended for a long time, is a disgrace to the team and should never be HoF material, while the late owner, who actually was suspended--TWICE, including once for life until reduced later on--yet is the subject of a campaign by some of these same fans (and media) to be inducted into Cooperstown?

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

Frayed Knot wrote: Anybody besides me getting a kick out of the idea that YLDBs think ARod, who could be suspended for a long time, is a disgrace to the team and should never be HoF material, while the late owner, who actually was suspended--TWICE, including once for life until reduced later on--yet is the subject of a campaign by some of these same fans (and media) to be inducted into Cooperstown?

Kinda like a league with a team named "Redskins" going bonkers because a player used another repulsive and derogatory term.

[Frayed Knot]

This shit just keeps getting better.

The Sox (Dempster) threw behind ARod with his first pitch in the first AB, then threw tight twice, then drilled him ball four.
Both benches were then warned, Girardi got tossed 'discussing' why the first three near misses didn't warrant a warning, and the whole stadium is just waiting for who/when Sabathia is going to retaliate.
I mean, how much fun would it be if AL pitchers collectively decided to make ARod the universal pariah and, as a result, each one drills him with their first pitch each day?

And all this comes on a day when Cashman says that he essentially won't speak to Rodriguez now aside from perfunctory hello/goodbye stuff on account of pending/threatened litigation.

Oh, and the game is currently tied at 3 in the 3rd

[ashie62]

Every bit of this nonsense revolves around one and one issue only.

What party, or parties get the 110 million....Hypocrites

[Edgy MD]

There are a lot of issues.

[metirish]

I thought Dempster looked like a fool, baseball has become an embarrassment. I blame Selig.

[metsmarathon]

i don't get the tejada suspension...

he failed two tests this season (after having failed a prior test that carried no real punishment). why wasn't he suspended immediately after the first test, presumably in april? i assume he was notified of the failure, right? but why did it take until after he failed the second test to be punished for both?

or is mlb setting up the scenario where they can string together multiple violations into a single bigger punishment. like they're trying to do with arod. was tejada even notified of the first failure?

the timing of it all seems very fishy.

also, its very convenient since it comes out after he hits the 60-day dl.

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

metirish wrote: I thought Dempster looked like a fool, baseball has become an embarrassment. I blame Selig.

Agreed. Very classless move by Dempster. No on in MLB has any right to be on a high horse about PEDs. And he put the leadoff runner on base who then came into score, contributing to the Red Sox loss. Just a cheap way to to pile on to the scapegoat.

[Edgy MD]

I have to give the forum credit. The CPF had Braun's number years ago.

[Gwreck]

Should be noted that it was an absolute shit job by the umpiring staff last night. Dempster throws behind Rodriguez, fine. He had his chance, he missed, issue closed. MFYs are free to retaliate in kind if they so choose.

When Dempster completely and obviously hits him three pitches later, he needs to be ejected. Hard to say but Girardi was completely right to go nuts.