Dead Men Walking

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

FK's managerial scorecard indicates both Girardi and Collins have contracts expiring after this season.

Will the lame ducks walk or be cooked?

[metirish]

Went with


Neither guy fired in 2013, both are released at season's end

[Ceetar]

Collins extended, Girardi fired.

[ashie62]

I believe both are lame ducks.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

Neither fired, Girardi extended, Collins is not but is moved back into a minor league coordinator-type position.

[Edgy MD]

Girardi fired during the season. Terry plays out his contract, is offered another un-specified job in the organization at the end of the year, says he'll think about it, goes off somewhere to meditate, but nothing comes of it. (Similar to the soft landings of Omar Minaya and Howard Johnson.)

[smg58]

Ashie62 wrote: I believe both are lame ducks.

I have to agree with this. I think Collins needs the Mets to significantly exceed expectations, and Girardi needs the Yankees to meet expectations that aren't all that realistic. I don't see a mid-season firing unless things go much worse than expected, but it will be a mild upset if either is back.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I augmented my inadequate poll to reflect Joe fired, Terry not which was my choice. I don't think Terry gets whacked but he also won;t be rehired.

[ashie62]

A soft landing for Terry is pretty much a given when/if he goes.

[Benjamin Grimm]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I don't think Terry gets whacked but he also won;t be rehired.

I agree with this. I expect he'll finish out 2013 but will be replaced during the offseason.

[seawolf17]

Ashie62 wrote: A soft landing for Terry is pretty much a given when/if he goes.

Agree. It's not as if this team has any expectations to meet.

[Edgy MD]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I augmented my inadequate poll to reflect Joe fired, Terry not which was my choice. I don't think Terry gets whacked but he also won;t be rehired.

Yesh. That's what I was getting toward.

[MFS62]

I voted earlier today, then turned off my PC and left the house. When I just got back, the system would have allowed me to vote again.
Software problem?

Later

[Benjamin Grimm]

No. When the poll choices get changed, the polling restarts.

[MFS62]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: No. When the poll choices get changed, the polling restarts.

Thanks,
Later

[TransMonk]

Ashie62 wrote: I believe both are lame ducks.

Yup.

[Edgy MD]

Isn't anybody who enters the season without a contract beyond, by definition, a lame duck?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Edgy MD wrote: Isn't anybody who enters the season without a contract beyond, by definition, a lame duck?

yes.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

I don't see how Terry can be blamed for any shortcomings in 2013. It's not his fault that the ace pitcher was traded for prospects and the team can't even resign its fourth outfielder.

[Edgy MD]

The team can re-sign its fourth outfielder.

(Though actually, if he was on the team right now, he'd be coming on board as the second-best or so.)

[Guest The Second Spitter]

White Jerry is biscuits. I mean, I thought it was pretty obvious he was a transitional manager to begin with. Girardi will survive .... somehow, probably following the return of a fully PED'd Captain I and Slappy.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

I have a funny feeling both make it through AND get brought back. I can't explain it.

[Edgy MD]

Hard to go broke betting on the status quo.

[TransMonk]

The Second Spitter wrote: I mean, I thought it was pretty obvious he was a transitional manager to begin with.

Very much this.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Are you suggesting that the Mets hired Terry expecting him to only stick around long enough to get them through a few sucky seasons, or that that was the most likely outcome?

I'm not particularly enamored of Terry and if he goes away it's fine with me. But unless he's no longer insane, I'd prefer that the next guy not be Wally Backman.

[TransMonk]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Are you suggesting that the Mets hired Terry expecting him to only stick around long enough to get them through a few sucky seasons, or that that was the most likely outcome?

Absolutely and I said so at the time. I don't think I was the only one.

I think Terry has exceeded expectations, but that, yes, he was originally hired to be a place-holder during these "lean" payroll years.

[Ceetar]

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a non-transitional manager. Most guys seem halfway out the door when they're hired.

But if I was looking to be in the running for next playoff bound Mets manager, I'd figure the best place to be would be the Mets dugout.