Reyes + half the Marlins team to Toronto

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: Trading for G. Stanton is what you do when you believe yourself to be a 'this-year' team that's one player away and/or because you have a minor league system with prospects to spare who are blocked by the depth in your major league squad. We're not at either spot right now.

Trading for Stanton is something you do when you believe your team is anything but perfect. He fits on roughly 29 of the 29 major league teams. The chances that even one of the guys you trade for him is worth as much as Stanton is probably slim, and clearly if the Marlins demand more than that it's not a trade you make, but there is very little downside to having Stanton on your team, this year or the three years following that, no matter what your expected record.

[Edgy MD]

Yeah, Stanton is a win now/win tomorrow/win on Mars/win on Venus property. If the price is right, but you're set at his position, you still want him.

[Guest The Second Spitter]

seawolf17 wrote: Word on the webs is that Tim Raines has been hired as a coach by Toronto. Could he make Reyes even better? Interesting.

Yes, he teach him to steal while carrying a baggie of yeyo.

[Frayed Knot]

Edgy MD wrote: Yeah, Stanton is a win now/win tomorrow/win on Mars/win on Venus property. If the price is right, but you're set at his position, you still want him.

If the price is right, sure. But if the price is going to be (as it shirley will be) several various players and prospects, you wind up weakening the club at several positions both now and in the future in exchange for improving the hell out of one spot which is the kind of cosmetic back-page stealing, attendance-minded move that doesn't really improve the club.
IOW, if I'm the Mets, I'm definitely NOT in a do whatever it takes to get Giancarlo Stanton mode.

[ashie62]

Edgy MD wrote: Why would they have to wait? Wouldn't he be as tradeable as any other prospect at his level?

It would make little sense to dump our top prospects for a very very good outfielder if we are truly rebuilding. With the investment in Flores I would wait for him to develop and stick with the program.

No sense in turning the ocean liner in midstream now.

I'd like to have Stanton but it would take much of what Sandy has gathered..

I'm not big n D'Arnaud but if, say Marlins like say..D'Arnaud, Wheeler and Cecchini I would be all in...

[Edgy MD]

Maybe it would take much of what Sandy has gathered to get Stanton, but we're just talking about Flores here. He's developing toward something in some respects and not in others, and he's falling from the rankings he's had earlier in his career.

I'm not arguing to trade him, but if another team sees more in him than the Mets see, I don't see how he's different from anybody else.

[Guest The Second Spitter]

The current issue of Baseball America seems to think that Flores is a future 3B. In which case, I'm sure he'll interest the Marlins given Polanco will be filling-in until they're ready to take auditions for that position.

[Frayed Knot]

It's not that the Marlins wouldn't want Flores, the question is which other 3-5 players/prospects they're going to want in addition to Flores before they agree to let go of Stanton.

[Guest The Second Spitter]

For the record, BA's top 10 prospects in the Mets system (excluding the Dickey loot):
1. Wheeler (RHP)
2. Gavin Cecchini (SS)
3. Brandon Nimmo (OF)
4. Luis Mateo (RHP)
5. Rafael Montero (RHP)
6. Flores (3B/2B)
7. Michael Fulmer (RHP)
8. Jeurys Familia (RHP)
9. Domingo Tapia (RHP)
10. Cory Mazzoni (RHP)

If we designated d'Arnaud as a non-prospect (cos there's a 99.95% chance he'll make the 25 man roster) Syndergaard prolly slots in at 2.

[Benjamin Grimm]

The Second Spitter wrote: there's a 99.95% chance he'll make the 25 man roster

I'm not so sure of that. I expect he'll play for the Mets before too much of 2013 has elapsed, but I doubt that he'll go north with the Mets when they break spring training. My guess is that we'll see d'Arnaud in June some time.

[Guest The Second Spitter]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: The Second Spitter wrote: there's a 99.95% chance he'll make the 25 man roster I'm not so sure of that. I expect he'll play for the Mets before too much of 2013 has elapsed, but I doubt that he'll go north with the Mets when they break spring training. My guess is that we'll see d'Arnaud in June some time.

Surely d'Arnaud is ahead of Recker in the depth chart . Is there somebody else I'm familiar with?

[Ceetar]

The Second Spitter wrote: The Second Spitter wrote: there's a 99.95% chance he'll make the 25 man roster I'm not so sure of that. I expect he'll play for the Mets before too much of 2013 has elapsed, but I doubt that he'll go north with the Mets when they break spring training. My guess is that we'll see d'Arnaud in June some time. Surely d'Arnaud is ahead of Recker in the depth chart . Is there somebody else I'm familiar with?

d'Arnaud saves a year of arbitration by waiting on him a couple of weeks. barring injury it sounds like Recker/Buck

[Benjamin Grimm]

I think the plan is to go with Buck and Recker to start the season. It will get Travis some more time in AAA (his season last year was cut short by injury). Also, and perhaps more importantly, it will delay his eligibility for free agency by a year. If he goes north in April, he can become a free agent after the 2018 season, but if they keep him in the minors for a while, the Mets control him through 2019.

They'll probably do the same with Wheeler. It's what they did with Ike Davis as well.

[Frayed Knot]

For the record, BA's top 10 prospects in the Mets system (excluding the Dickey loot): 1. Wheeler (RHP) 2. Gavin Cecchini (SS) 3. Brandon Nimmo (OF) 4. Luis Mateo (RHP) 5. Rafael Montero (RHP) 6. Flores (3B/2B) 7. Michael Fulmer (RHP) 8. Jeurys Familia (RHP) 9. Domingo Tapia (RHP) 10. Cory Mazzoni (RHP) If we designated d'Arnaud as a non-prospect (cos there's a 99.95% chance he'll make the 25 man roster) Syndergaard prolly slots in at 2.

Well D'arnaud certainly IS a prospect seeing as how these off-season lists judge them by their current status of ML service time not where they expect them to be a year from now.
BA did update their list following the Dickey deal and slotted D'arnaud at #2, Syndergaard 3rd.
Baseball Prospectus & John Sickels released their lists right after the deal (see the 'Prospects' thread) and had the same top 3 although Sickels ranked D'arnaud 1st and Wheeler 2nd rather than the other way around.

[smg58]

I'll go on record as saying I'm against that if d'Arnaud looks in ST like he's already a better player than Buck.

[Edgy MD]

Frayed Knot wrote: It's not that the Marlins wouldn't want Flores, the question is which other 3-5 players/prospects they're going to want in addition to Flores before they agree to let go of Stanton.

My question with Ashie is different.

[Edgy MD]

Edgy MD wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: It's not that the Marlins wouldn't want Flores, the question is which other 3-5 players/prospects they're going to want in addition to Flores before they agree to let go of Stanton. My question with Ashie is different.

The issue with assuming D'Arnaud comes north out of spring training is that he has to demonstrate that he's recovered.

Let's not forget that we bought us a wounded warrior. He hasn't played since June.

[Ceetar]

Spring Training will determine it. They didn't want to go north with Nieuwenhuis either (although the depth charts were theoretically better, but Buck=Torres seems apt too) and ultimately didn't despite ST success until an injury forced the issue.

[Edgy MD]

Usually things are just getting interesting when Dave Kingman's name comes up. But that's where Marty Noble loses me. Does he lose you?

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Didn't expect it quite so up front there, either. Handedness aside, Stanton's obviously far more Reggieish, or McCovey-y. Frank Robinson, if you're a stickler. Young Pedro Guerrero, maybe?

Who IS today's actual Kingman of the Future? Mark Reynolds? Trumbo?

Edited January 3, 2013 by Guest

[seawolf17]

Wait, what?

But at this point, the club that occasionally drains its roster of proven players has let it be known that it would consider dealing the Dave Kingman of his time.

Stanton has 373 big league games on his resume and has demonstrated more offensive skill than Kingman ever did.

[metsmarathon]

well, i mean of course they should call up and ask about stanton. maybe even swap around some potential trade packages. get a feel for what it would take. i don't expect it would come to any meaningful fruition, but, sure, why not, right?

maybe call up the angels and ask about that trout kid too.

what would it take, and what's a fair package? those are the really important questions to which marty has no answer.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

They both hit more than a few long home runs. It's a little like calling Adam Dunn the Rickey Henderson of the '00s, since he walked so much.

[metsmarathon]

also, if you were truly dying for a metly correlation to stanton, why not darryl?