IGT - June 1 - Mets v. Cardinals, Beltran Returns

[Gwreck]

�There were times I felt like, �What do I have to do in order to be one of their favorites?� Fans choose who they want to cheer for. I�m a quiet player. You�re never going to see me out there showing a lot of emotion. I am who I am. When you try to be someone else then you�re being fake to yourself, and I don�t like to do that. I don�t know how it�s going to be [tonight]. They�ll decide if they want to cheer or boo.�

(Quotes taken from this NY Post Story).

Given that I was profoundly disheartened by how the Mets fans treated Jose Reyes upon his return, I would probably be apoplectic tonight except of course that so many fans of this team showed what idiots they were while Beltran was actually here.

Welcome back Carlos. At least a few of us appreciated you for what you were: one of the greatest and most talented players to ever play for this team.


Edit: screwed up the BB Code

Edited June 1, 2012 by Guest

[metirish]

Give him a big fecking cheer and standing O , then boo if you want....Christ.

[TransMonk]

I'm not sure why any Mets fan would have a valid reason to boo Carlos Beltran.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I would never be a dick and blame CB for anything and find it sad that fans do, but at the same time I've also had it with the snarkironic #BlameBeltran joke. You wonder if the tail is wagging the dog at this point.

He wuz what he wuz. Thanks Carlos!

Bonus topic for discussion: Logo on his HOF cap?

[Vic Sage]

it's not like he walked out to play for more money elsewhere. he got traded, and we got a good prospect for him.
are people really still cheesed about the Wainwright K? It was a hellacious curveball. get over it. Or that he had the temerity to get injured after setting the record for HRs in a season? Jeezus... he ain't a child molester, folks. He's probably the top CFer in Mets history. Rise and clap, then sit down and shut up.

[Gwreck]

He's probably the top CFer in Mets history.

Only Darryl could be considered a better outfielder in Mets history, and even that's debatable.

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Beltran's HOF cap: It pretty much has to be the Mets, right? He spent about the same amount of time here as he did in Kansas City but his accomplishments here were clearly greater.

I think he needs a couple more good seasons before he gets there, though. The 300 HRs/300 SBs combination helps, certainly.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I think the Mets have the edge in the cap thing at this point (assuming, of course , that there will be a plaque to put that cap on) but if he wins an MVP and a couple of World Series with the Cardinals that may change.

Does Kansas City have a shot?

[Benjamin Grimm]

[Ceetar]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I think the Mets have the edge in the cap thing at this point (assuming, of course , that there will be a plaque to put that cap on) but if he wins an MVP and a couple of World Series with the Cardinals that may change. Does Kansas City have a shot?

44games 128 PA more with the Mets than the Royals. (which would be the only other cap option barring him spending the next 7 years dominating with the Cardinals) Also has 10 games and 45 PA in the postseason for the Mets though, including a 1.054 OPS in the NLCS. His Gold Gloves and Silver Sluggers are all with the Mets. B-R gives him 7.1 more WAR with the Mets than the Royals.

[Edgy MD]

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[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Edgy DC wrote: [*]Johnson, c

No Thole?

[Edgy MD]

(I think I found a B.S. lineup.)

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: (I think I found a B.S. lineup.)

woah, and it's not even Friday the 13th.

[Ceetar]

#Mets
Friday lineup vs. St. Louis:
Baxter-LF,
Nieuwenhuis-CF,
Wright-3B, Duda-RF,
Murphy-2B,
Davis-1B,
Thole-C,
Quintanilla-SS,
Santana-LHP



Welcome back Josh. And you get to bat 7th!

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Not 4 nothing but the 2012 Mets miss Thole more than Beltran!

[Frayed Knot]

I think the Mets have the edge in the cap thing at this point ... Does Kansas City have a shot?

ABs w/KC = 3,134
ABs w/NY = 3,133

Aside from that coincidence, he had predictably better 'young man' stats in KC, namely SBs and 3Bs (that last one is largely park related)
while his 'older player' stats like walks and power were somewhat better with the Mets

are people really still cheesed about the Wainwright K?

Yes!
And then there was the bad first year (first impression stick),
the lack of outward emotion ("He doesn't care!!"),
the injuries - both the ones that took him out of the lineup and the ones he played through (don't underestimate how pissed fans can get about injuries),
that he's Hispanic (especially in the midst of Omar's "push" to remake the team as Los Mets,
and that he was there for the '06 loss and the '07/08 collapses ("He's not a winner!").

oe: Oh yeah, and then there was the part about how hit got 20 hits w/10 HRs and a .400+ BA for the Astros in two post-season series and didn't duplicate that for the Mets (10 hits w/3 HRs, ~ .250) meaning, of course, that he proved he couldn't handle NYC.

[metirish]

Positive reaction bordering on blas� for Carlos first AB.

[Frayed Knot]

Rained out tonight in Washington before the game ever started
Rain delayed in Philly during the 5th
Rain starting to creep into NYC

So don't give up the lead !!!!!

[metirish]

Duda with a three run home run....wow..


the other stuff is unmentionable

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Duda 2012

[Benjamin Grimm]

metirish wrote: Duda with a three run home run....wow.. the other stuff is unmentionable

You mean the no-hitter Johan has through six innings?

[Frayed Knot]

The potential no-no is already semi-tainted.
And then there's the problem that they're not going to let Johan finish the thing even if ...

[metirish]

Frayed Knot wrote: The potential no-no is already semi-tainted. And then there's the problem that they're not going to let Johan finish the thing even if ...

wouldn't that be the Mets though, get a no no and have people talk about the blown call.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Wow! Ow!

[metirish]

Baxter, what a play....hope you are good to go

[Frayed Knot]

And now you can see why Pete Reiser had a short career ... and why he was given last rites at one point during it.

[metirish]

Separated shoulder maybe?

[Frayed Knot]

That supporting the arm thing has 'separated shoulder' written all over it.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Looks like he momentarily stumbled and couldn't slow himself down in time. BAM.

[Frayed Knot]

Let him start the 8th - then play it by ear from there.