Random Mets Jibber Jabber

[Guest The Second Spitter]

Ceetar wrote: The middle of the steroid era? Minor league drug testing started in 2001, Bay was drafted in 2000. Major League drug testing started 2004, Bay came up in 2003.

Were people getting banned for steroids in 03?

Look at Bay's minor league numbers and his RoY numbers in 2003 and tell me that was a normal career path. Also, see how many of his Pirate teammates were on the gas.

Ceetar wrote: He had good years right before getting to the Mets. I don't buy arguments (And I've seen them) that he stopped using something undetectable after inking the deal.

Like I've said before, you can retain the benefits of steroids for 1-2 years after you stopped using them. However, everything catches up to you with a vengeance , especially if you're sidelined with the type of injury Bay had. Funny how the Red Sox didn't want to touch him with a ten-foot pole.

Ceetar wrote: The deal made sense, Holliday was too big a contract,

Too long for a guy who's averaged ~160 OPS for the Cardinals? Do you think the Cardinals have
received value for it?

[Ceetar]

In terms of the Mets, I'm glad we don't have Matt Holliday right now given where the team has gone. It'd be a worse drain on the Mets.

What's wrong with his numbers? they look pretty standard minor-major numbers, his Rookie of the Year numbers weren't even his best couple of years, and except for the drop off in 2007, he'd been very steady.

Until 2010 when he got to the Mets/Citi Field/they changed the maximum bat diameter rules. And I don't think that last one should be ignored either.

I doubt he was taking and then stopped taking. You can use that same argument to infer that Jeter and Mariano were/are using (mid-late 90s Yankees when they came in? yeah) or pretty much everyone that played the game in the last 20 years.

[Ceetar]

the next t-shirt Tuesday.

[Fman99]

Wow, I am watching the post game with Carlin and Ojeda and they are standing up, away from the desk. Carlin has a tremendous sized head. He looks like a giant pile of mashed potatoes wearing a suit.

[batmagadanleadoff]

In celebration of the Mets 50th anniversary, this year's ticket faces feature a player/executive/announcer from the team's historic past. Each game ticket features a different Met person for the most part; Gil Hodges and Casey Stengel are repeated. Tom Seaver appeared on the game #1 ticket face. Gary Carter appears on the game #8 ticket face.



Some other Mets appearing on this year's tickets that weren't, as far as I'm concerned, automatic or obvious choices choices, are Todd Zeile, Turk Wendell, Benny Agbayani, and Billy Wagner.

Jose Reyes, last year's batting champ, was excluded.

[batmagadanleadoff]

There's a George Theodore ticket (Game #11) -- good choice -- , but no Marv Throneberry ticket (an unfortunate omission). This time, the Mets dropped the ball on ol' Marvelous.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Wagner is a crime.

Wagner.

Geez.

[batmagadanleadoff]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Wagner is a crime. Wagner. Geez.

Glavine got a ticket, also.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Wagner is a crime. Wagner. Geez. Glavine got a ticket, also.

Of course. They're probably Fred's mystery investors.

[Chad ochoseis]

I'm good with not including Reyes, Beltran, or any other currently active ex-Met. Do we really want to honor players who are playing against us this year?

Glavine got a ticket, also.

This isn't true. This is just batmags taking the piss.

Right?

RIGHT???

[Benjamin Grimm]

Did they do one for M. Donald Grant?

[batmagadanleadoff]

Chad Ochoseis wrote: I'm good with not including Reyes, Beltran, or any other currently active ex-Met. Do we really want to honor players who are playing against us this year? Glavine got a ticket, also. This isn't true. This is just batmags taking the piss. Right? RIGHT???

I do take a lot of pisses that go uncredited. Or unnoticed. But there's Glavine's mug on the game #44 ticket.

If the Mets were cool kats, they might've farmed out the ticket production to Topps.

[seawolf17]

I need to know what date the McReynolds ticket is so I can obtain one.

[batmagadanleadoff]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: There's a George Theodore ticket (Game #11) -- good choice -- , but no Marv Throneberry ticket (an unfortunate omission). This time, the Mets dropped the ball on ol' Marvelous.

Looks like I dropped the ball. Marv lives! He's on the game #80 ticket. KMac is on the game #13 ticket (4/26 v Miami). And Case and Gil appear once each. This blogger's got a list of the tickets, (scroll about halfway down the page) along with some snarky, and often odd comments.

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

seawolf17 wrote: I need to know what date the McReynolds ticket is so I can obtain one.

Bring Vic to that game.

[Ceetar]

Mets � Willets Point wrote: seawolf17 wrote: I need to know what date the McReynolds ticket is so I can obtain one. Bring Vic to that game.

Might have trouble with that. Probably gotta use seatcrew or craigslist or one of those other non-electronic trading systems.

[seawolf17]

I'll take it postgame if need be; don't need to be there, really mostly need it for the McReynolds collection.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Topps also printed the Reds 2010 tickets.

[batmagadanleadoff]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: There's a George Theodore ticket (Game #11) -- good choice -- , but no Marv Throneberry ticket (an unfortunate omission). This time, the Mets dropped the ball on ol' Marvelous. Looks like I dropped the ball. Marv lives! He's on the game #80 ticket. KMac is on the game #13 ticket (4/26 v Miami). And Case and Gil appear once each. This blogger's got a list of the tickets, (scroll about halfway down the page) along with some snarky, and often odd comments.

I think that the most glaring Mets omission on their 50th ann. ticket faces, among inactive or retired players, is the almost always unloved Armando Benitez. I wonder if Armando's exclusion is a sign that McDowell's gonna be selected as the Mets all-time RH reliever on the Mets 50th ann. all-time team? If I had a vote, I'da wanted Delgado, and the Hendus - Steve and Rickey on a ticket face. Eddie Murray, Bernard Gilkey, Endy and Skip Lockwood too, among others. I wouldn'ta put Teufel or Zeile or Hampton or Shamsky or Wendell or Glavine or Lance Johnson over the last guys on my list.

[HahnSolo]

Trachsel, Hampton, Glavine, and Wagner are my WTFs. Teufel as well, but I guess they threw him a bone for his time in organization and on coaching staff.

Batmags is right. Where the hell is Delgado? I mean, three of the guys I listed were '06 Mets...Does Carlos not merit being right there, if not before those guys, then alongside them?

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

I know a place where one could find the 81 greatest Mets of all time. Or would be able to if the current list were up to date and posted.

[batmagadanleadoff]

I wonder if the younger Mets fan know just how magical Steve Hendu's rookie season was? It seems to me that over the years, Hendu's Met legacy has been condensed to his walkoff against SanFran and being one of the rejects gotten in the Seaver trade.

[Ceetar]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I wonder if the younger Mets fan know just how magical Steve Hendu's rookie season was? It seems to me that over the years, Hendu's Met legacy has been condensed to his walkoff against SanFran and being one of the rejects gotten in the Seaver trade.

I'm going to go with no.

[G-Fafif]

The full list, from that blog:

1. Tom Seaver
2. John Olerud
3. Roger Craig
4. Felix Millan
5. David Wright
6. Dave Kingman
7. Jerry Koosman
8. Gary Carter
9. Lee Mazzilli
10. Al Jackson
11. George Theodore
12. Rick Reed
13. Kevin McReynolds
14. Gil Hodges
15. Rusty Staub
16. Jesse Orosco
17. Bob Murphy
18. Bobby Jones
19. Robin Ventura
20. Lance Johnson
21. Ron Darling
22. Yogi Berra
23. John Franco
24. Willie Mays
25. Mookie Wilson
26. Nolan Ryan
27. Benny Agbayani
28. Bobby Ojeda
29. Cleon Jones
30. Craig Swan
31. Mike Piazza
32. Al Weis
33. Mike Hampton
34. Keith Hernandez
35. Frank Thomas
36. Jon Matlack
37. Casey Stengel
38. Donn Clendeno
39. Roger McDowell
40. Ed Kranepool
41. Ralph Kiner
42. Wally Backman
43. Ed Charles
44. Tom Glavine
45. Ron Swoboda
46. Billy Wagner
47. Rey Ordonez
48. Sid Fernandez
49. Jerry Grote
50. Joel Youngblood
51. Dwight Gooden
52. Bobby Valentine
53. Frank Viola
54. Al Leiter
55. Howard Johnson
56. Tommie Agee
57. Johan Santana
58. Ron Hunt
59. David Cone
60. Pedro Martinez
61. Lindsey Nelson
62. Jay Hook
63. Tim Teufel
64. Bill Shea
65. Ray Knight
66. Todd Zeile
67. Bud Harrelson
68. John Stearns
69. Jim Hickman
70. Edgardo Alfonzo
71. Art Shamsky
72. Lenny Dykstra
73. Tug McGraw
74. Todd Hundley
75. Darryl Strawberry
76. Wayne Garrett
77. Steve Trachsel
78. Davey Johnson
79. John Milner
80. Marv Throneberry
81. Turk Wendell

[seawolf17]

Ooh, that's next week. Gotta get cracking on that. Tweeted.

[Benjamin Grimm]

After 14 games, only one player has started every game for the Mets: Daniel Murphy.

Murphy, Duda, and Davis are the only players who have appeared in each game.

[Ceetar]

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

R.A. Dickey's outfit for the flight to Houston:

[batmagadanleadoff]

The San Francisco 49ers officially announced plans to create a physical home for the Edward J. DeBartolo, Sr. 49ers Hall of Fame with approximately 15,000 square feet of space earmarked at the new Santa Clara stadium. The 49ers former public relations director, Jerry Walker, has returned to the club as Team Archivist and will spend the next two years acquiring artifacts over the history of the franchise. According to the 49ers, the team is looking for donations and loans of nearly anything vintage such as game and practice apparel, fan clothing, printed materials like posters, programs, and magazines, collectibles, memorabilia, souvenirs, photos and videos, and really anything that might be attractive for the Hall of Fame. Walker also announced that the team's extravagant vision for their Hall of Fame will unfortunately delay the finish of the Jackie Robinson Wing. 49ers fans can expect the Robinson Wing to be completed in time for the opening of the 49ers second season in the new stadium. If you are interested in potentially donating or loaning anything to the 49ers Hall of Fame, you can email Jerry Walker at Jerry.Walker@49ers.com. If you do donate anything, let me know and we'll get some pictures up.

http://www.ninersnation.com/2012/5/7/3006081/49ers-hall-of-fame-looking-for-historical-artifacts

15,000 square feet? I'm jealous. Mets fan have a HOF tiny enough that 15,000 of them could probably be squeezed into the Jackie Robinson Rotunda.

[Benjamin Grimm]