Possible 2012 Outfield

[ashie62]

Ashie62 wrote: Oh the humanity.

That is unholy skin..

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Possible reinforcement comes via Ankiel-route (control-problems-pitcher-to-surprisingly-competent-bat-- peep that climbing slugging/dropping K-rate) OF Adam Loewen, former Oriole/Jay/Son of Anarchy.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Ashie's bullshit has ruined this thread. What about Adam Loewen?

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Assuming his numbers last year weren't entirely a PCL mirage, he could be second or third in line to make an appearance when someone goes owie next year. And the idea gives me a little half-Kieschnick in my pants.

[Edgy MD]

Not a lot of great fu manchus in Mets history. A wispy one on Wally Backman and well-scupted one on Steve Henderson come to mind. I'm sure Piazza wore one at one time or another.

Loewen would blow them all out of the water on day one, I think.

[Ceetar]

I'm curious what the new 4th option/outrighting rules are actually, as it pertains to Fernando Martinez. I saw one or two suggestions that it's beneficial to the team (i.e. easier to have that 4th option year) but nothing's clear from the official synopsis. Is it possible F-Mart becomes ineligible for it and is forced into a on the roster or on waivers situation?

edit: guess I'm wrong, he didn't actually use his 3rd option. Oh well. Willie Mays for CF anyone?

[Edgy MD]

You get a fourth option year if you come up at a young enough age, or some'un. GM Alderson has stated on more than one occasion his confidence that Martinez is option-able this year.

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: You get a fourth option year if you come up at a young enough age, or some'un. GM Alderson has stated on more than one occasion his confidence that Martinez is option-able this year.

yeah, but they changed the rules.

regardless, I was wrong, we're talking about third option year, not fourth. He didn't use one in 2009.

[metirish]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Ashie's bullshit has ruined this thread. What about Adam Loewen?

hopefully Adam Loewen's bullshit such as it is doesn't ruin the outfield, kidding

this is cool though


Toronto Blue Jays
Loewen was called up to the Blue Jays on September 6, 2011, marking his first trip back to the majors since becoming a position player.[7][8] Loewen made his position player debut on Wednesday, September 7, against the Boston Red Sox. He recorded his first career hit in the 8th inning, against reliever Daniel Bard.[9] In a game against his former team, the Baltimore Orioles, on September 11, Loewen hit his first career home run, a solo shot over the centre field wall off starter Tommy Hunter.[10]

[Frayed Knot]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: What about Adam Loewen?

Yeah, it wasn't apparent to me via the above post that he had been signed by the Mets or if this were merely speculation.
Turns out it's the former.

Assuming his numbers last year weren't entirely a PCL mirage, he could be second or third in line to make an appearance when someone goes owie next year. And the idea gives me a little half-Kieschnick in my pants.

Not just PCL-inflated but specifically Las Vegas inflated. That place has the rep as one of the best hitters' parks in all of organized baseball.
The hope is that, between the late start and reaching his prime years (28 come opening day), his 2011 stats shows he's getting better and not just a one-year fluke.

And the problem with the Brooks Kieschnick dream is that his switch from pitching was caused by numerous and severe injuries so I don't think the pitching part of the PH/OF/RP trifecta will ever be an option.

[seawolf17]

Dude's been an outfielder for three years; I had no idea. When I saw the post on Twitter I thought it was a misprint.

[TransMonk]

I'm rooting for him.

[Fman99]

Edgy DC wrote: Not a lot of great fu manchus in Mets history.

AHEM



Lest we forget the FMan Chu. Or Fu Man Jew.

[metirish]

great pic

[Frayed Knot]

metirish wrote: great pic

Only if he also draws one on the kid.

[Fman99]

[ashie62]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Ashie's bullshit has ruined this thread. What about Adam Loewen?

Lighten up Francis..

Loewen is a stiff, albeit a cheap one.

[MFS62]

Ashie62 wrote: Lighten up Francis..

Got it, and laughed out loud.
One of my favorite all-time movies.

Later

[Vic Sage]

Any of you guys call me Francis, and I'll kill you.

[MFS62]

Vic Sage wrote: Any of you guys call me Francis, and I'll kill you.

Yep, you got the right movie, Francis.

Later

[Edgy MD]

I just can't believe there's such a thing as a poor man's Rick Ankiel. Ankiel has one of the most unusual career tracks and it's like Loewen's analogous in almost every way.

[ashie62]

Ankiel can hit though...

Maybe Sandy can cut costs further OF/RP?

Loewen has to be for organizational depth.

[Frayed Knot]

Loewen has been a non-pitcher for 2+ seasons so far; prior to 2009 he had all of 2 pro ABs and has had some 1,300 since while hitting at ~ .267/.363/.426;
How is that enough to qualify him as anything at this point yet much less as a "stiff"?

Ankiel was younger when he started to make his switch, but essentially sat out from 2001 to 2007 and wasn't much different during his hitting apprenticeship than what Loewen is doing now.
This idea that Ankiel's hitting was somehow a known quantity all along while Loewen not only can't hit but also never will manages to be both hindsight and speculation at the same time.

[ashie62]

The idea that Loewen will translate into anything more than a marginal major league player at best is delusional.

Sandy..shoot higher..

[Edgy MD]

Ashie62 wrote: Ankiel can hit though... Maybe Sandy can cut costs further OF/RP? Loewen has to be for organizational depth.

He certainly has hit in the minors. I thought I made it pretty clear that I spoke of a poor man's Ankiel.

Considering how Ankiel has hit the last two years (and even the last five), he looks like a better bet for the money, though without much centerfielding on his r�sum�.

Sandy..shoot smart..

[Frayed Knot]

Ashie62 wrote: The idea that Loewen will translate into anything more than a marginal major league player at best is delusional. Sandy..shoot higher..

I was unaware that Loewen was guaranteed a starting job to the exclusion of all other contenders.

[ashie62]

Frayed Knot wrote: Ashie62 wrote: The idea that Loewen will translate into anything more than a marginal major league player at best is delusional. Sandy..shoot higher.. I was unaware that Loewen was guaranteed a starting job to the exclusion of all other contenders.

I felt like Loewen was being presented as a serious short term answer and got carried away..Sorry FK

Shit, if we're not spending you might as well pencil in Nieuwenhuis in the OF and Reese Havens in the IF

The FA list is pretty uninspiring IMHO..

[Edgy MD]

I don't know that free agency lists are meant to inspire, but it seems as talent-laden as ever.

The only free agent I really have my eye on is the shortstop from New York.

[ashie62]

I was looking at a list of guys likely to go one year for about 4 million and it appeared grisly I guess thats why they are cheap.

I wonder if Sandy is just going to bide time until the homegrowns are ready and fill in a few inexpensive needs in the interim.

I mean, do you want Erik Bedard for one year???

[Edgy MD]

No, I want Jos� Reyes for the rest of his career. Else, yeah, absolutely, keep it in the family and (somehow) get healthy.