Active Mets WAR leader for 2011

[Guest Edgy DC]

Among guys currently on the 25 and active. Give it a guess.

[Gwreck]

On the 25 right NOW!!!? I'll say David Wright.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Turner? Hairston?

[Chad ochoseis]

I'll go for weird here.

Izzy?

[Guest Edgy DC]

Turner, man.

Turner.

[Frayed Knot]

Edgy DC wrote: Turner, man. Turner.

90% of life is just showing up.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Turner, man. Turner.

I thought that this was either a trick question where Jason Bay would be the WAR leader. Otherwise, the active WAR leader had to be a starting pitcher, I figured.

But where'd you get your WAR's from? Here's the 2011 Mets WAR leaders, according to Baseball Reference (italicized players are not presently on 25-man roster):

Jose Reyes 4.3
Carlos Beltran 3.4
R.A. Dickey 2.8* <-------------- 25 man WAR leader
Daniel Murphy 1.8
Jonathan Niese 1.7
Dillon Gee 1.7
Chris Capuano 1.4
Ike Davis 1.3
K-Rod 1.3
Mike Pelfrey 1.3
David Wright 1.2
Chris Young 1.2
Jason Bay 1.1
Scott Hairston 0.7
Jason Isringhausen 0.7
Jason Pridie 0.5
Lucas Duda 0.4.
Taylor Buchholz 0.4
Justin Turner 0.4
Paulino/Tejada/Thole/Byrdak 0.3

(Something ain't right here. I could accept Dickey as the active 25 man WAR leader, but I don't see how Turner's WAR is so relatively low per bbRef, and barely one third of Bay's WAR. And if bbRef's numbers are accurate, it sure doesn't feel like they're accurate, based on my eyeball test.


* I calculated pitchers' Total WAR by combining their pitching and batting/fielding WARs.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I'd hate to think Twitter lied to me.

I'm guessing it comes from Fangraphs.

http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?team=Mets&pos=all&stats=bat&qual=0&type=6&season=2011&month=0&season1=2011

[ashie62]

Who invented the WAR metric?

[Guest Edgy DC]

Obviously a couple of different people are using the same acronym for different metrics.

[ashie62]

Or both are flawed?

[Guest Edgy DC]

The two statements aren't contradictory.

[MFS62]

Ashie62 wrote: Who invented the WAR metric?

Lao Tse?
http://www.greatdreams.com/sacred/tung.htm

Later

[metsmarathon]

Ashie62 wrote: Or both are flawed?

quick, name a stat that isn't flawed.

[Guest themetfairy]

metsmarathon wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Or both are flawed? quick, name a stat that isn't flawed.

Inherited Runners Stranded.

[Frayed Knot]

themetfairy wrote: metsmarathon wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Or both are flawed? quick, name a stat that isn't flawed. Inherited Runners Stranded.

EXTREMELY Flawed

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Just a counting stat, and doesn't distinguish between a guy at 3rd 0 outs and a guy at 1st 2 outs.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Bill James once said (or wrote) that no stat is really flawed. That the doubles stat, for example, doesn't measure HR's, or singles, or doesn't distinguish between doubles that drive in the winning run from other doubles isn't necessarily a flaw. The stat is what it is. It's just one stat in the toolbox, one measure of the player, among many others.

[batmagadanleadoff]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Bill James once said (or wrote) that no stat is really flawed. That the doubles stat, for example, doesn't measure HR's, or singles, or doesn't distinguish between doubles that drive in the winning run from other doubles isn't necessarily a flaw. The stat is what it is. It's just one stat in the toolbox, one measure of the player, among many others.

The flaw, I suppose, is not necessarily the stat, but how one uses the stat. The questionable argument that Daniel Murphy is one of this season's best players solely because he's one of baseball's most prolific doublers doesn't mean that the doubles stat is flawed. It's the argument that's flawed.