K-Rod Traded

[Benjamin Grimm]

metirish wrote: I assume you are looking for a catcher to supplant Thole?

Well, at least to offer him some competition.

[TransMonk]

I'm not totally sold on Thole yet.

His hitting and defense are one thing, but the fact that some of our pitchers have better stats when Paulino is catching is equally alarming to me.

edited: all to some

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'm hoping for a starting pitcher and a catcher.

I'm hoping this move helps to secure our shortstop. As for Thole, I'm not sold enough on his defense/game calling to accept him as an everyday player. So if there is a decent catching prospect available, I'm okay with that. I expect the Mets will take the 2 best players available from the list of 5 PTBNL candidates without much concern for position.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

If the Brewers had a SS prospect he'd be playing in Milwaukee already.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

They had one.

He can't get on-base with an armed escort, and he's at the moment playing for KC, in exchange for the Dave Bush clone currently inhabiting Zack Greinke's body.

Edited July 14, 2011 by Guest

[TransMonk]

I think he meant being more secure in keeping Reyes...but you are right.

[Ceetar]

TransMonk wrote: I'm not totally sold on Thole yet. His hitting and defense are one thing, but the fact that some of our pitchers have better stats when Paulino is catching is equally alarming to me. edited: all to some

I thought he did a good job with catching last year, and at least wasn't a liability. But maybe it's just a small sample size and that he pitched when the season was mostly over.

Catcher-Pitcher relationships confuse me the most. How much they really do, how much is the pitcher just sucking, coincidence that Thole was pitching when they get shelled? Is it Thole's call or did the pitcher/does the pitcher shake him off more _because_ he's sorta a rookie?

I wonder how much a veteran/expert like Santana coming back helps.

[TransMonk]

Well, I think it depends as much on the pitcher. I'm thinking more specifically on a guy like Pelfrey, who I think will mostly pitch to Paulino for the remainder of the year. I'm guessing in that situation, it's a question of confidence...which Paulino seems to help him with. Maybe Thole didn't get enough of a chance...but maybe Thole lacks a little confidence of his own.

For Niese and Dickey, it doesn't seem to matter much who they throw to.

[Ceetar]

TransMonk wrote: Well, I think it depends as much on the pitcher. I'm thinking more specifically on a guy like Pelfrey, who I think will mostly pitch to Paulino for the remainder of the year. I'm guessing in that situation, it's a question of confidence...which Paulino seems to help him with. Maybe Thole didn't get enough of a chance...but maybe Thole lacks a little confidence of his own. For Niese and Dickey, it doesn't seem to matter much who they throw to.

here's a thought..maybe Pelfrey misses _Wright_ . He struggled in April and was probably beyond help at that point, but Wright's been known to go to the mound to settle Pelf down or encourage/tough love him.

[TransMonk]

If nothing else, I miss Wright.

[Edgy MD]

Sure, but Wright's been around the clubhouse playing his share of cards.

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: Sure, but Wright's been around the clubhouse playing his share of cards.

I meant in-game. We all know Wright's a shark when it comes to cards.

[MFS62]

When asked to name the best ever PTBNL, Buster Olney said "Jessee Orosco is the first who comes to mind".
I'll take one of those, please.

Later

[Guest attgig]

from mlbtraderumors:

Francisco Rodriguez has agreed to waive his $17.5MM vesting option for 2012 in exchange for additional compensation, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (on Twitter). The reliever will hit the open market at the end of the 2011 season. The Brewers can now use Rodriguez without worrying that they'll have to pay him $17.5MM in 2012. The reliever's option would have become guaranteed for that amount if he had finished 55 total games this season, and he finished 34 with the Mets before heading to Milwaukee.

woah.... couldn't we have just done that too?

[TransMonk]

I think the question is, couldn't he have just done that for us?

I don't know that Frankie really wants to be in Milwaukee...but he does really want to be a closer.

[Guest attgig]

TransMonk wrote: I think the question is, couldn't he have just done that for us? I don't know that Frankie really wants to be in Milwaukee...but he does really want to be a closer.

would make me think NY would've been a better situation to be a closer in.

[TransMonk]

I'm guessing this all goes back to Frankie's ex-agent not turning in the no-trade paperwork on time.

[ashie62]

Thole makes Paulino look like an all-star.

[Frayed Knot]

Frankie made his first appearance as a Beer-maker Sat night ... in the [u:17zy80c1]8th[/u:17zy80c1] inning of a tie game. Got the side 1-2-4 with an infield error as the only blemish.
He even came out of it with the win when the Brews scored twice in the bottom half then Axford came on for the save although he gave up two hits and a run plus left the tying run on.


In the game again today, again in the 8th, this time with a two-run lead.
Gave up a leadoff double and later a walk but also got 2 Ks (one of them Tulowitski) and allowed no runs to score.
And again Axford came in for the save and again he was shaky giving up a run before getting the final out - Tulowitski K-ing with 2-on.

Where was that Tulo when WE played him?

[Edgy MD]

I'm guessing that no, he wouldn't have done that for us, as we didn't have that sort of leverage.

[ashie62]

Anyone other than me believe shopping Pelfrey this month may be in the best interests of the future??

[Willets Point]

Ashie62 wrote: Anyone other than me believe shopping Pelfrey this month may be in the best interests of the future??

If there's a team willing to give some "futures" for Pelfrey, I'm all for it.

[Edgy MD]

I have no doubt that Sanderson Alderson has Pelfrey off of the untouchable list. Whether he finds a good match or not is another matter.

[TransMonk]

Ashie62 wrote: Anyone other than me believe shopping Pelfrey this month may be in the best interests of the future??

[Benjamin Grimm]

Latest news has Frankie saying he'd be willing to sign with the Mets this winter.

Unless his asking price comes waaaaaaaay down, I don't see it happening.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Tough to find good pabellon criollo and arepas in the Midwest, eh?