IGT, 6/2/2011, Piracy vs. Metropolisness

[Ceetar]

Can analyze what Bay is failing to do all we want, but none of it really answers why. Why is he missing those pitches, or hitting them softly?

If it were simple, he'd have fixed it.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Ceetar wrote: If it were simple, he'd have fixed it.

Only it was difficult and so he gave up.

[metirish]

I wish HoJo were here to blame him , don't even remember the new guys name.

[Ceetar]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Old, off the juice, and unwilling to take instruction.

I doubt any of those are the cause.

[metirish]

Ceetar wrote: Old, off the juice, and unwilling to take instruction. I doubt any of those are the cause.

I know you are optimistic but Bay in fact has gotten older

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

He flatly rejected efforts to adjust this spring.

Age is certainly a factor.

Like any player who had his best years in the steroid era he's a big-time suspect, it has to be on the table.

[metirish]

Factor in the idea that Boston basically wanted nowt to do with him.

[Ceetar]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: He flatly rejected efforts to adjust this spring. Age is certainly a factor. Like any player who had his best years in the steroid era he's a big-time suspect, it has to be on the table.

This also describes Derek Jeter to a tee.


I'm not saying he didn't/isn't taking. Just that I doubt it's the reason he suddenly fell off a cliff, or the reason he was as good as he was. It's hard to quantify steroids, especially without even knowing which specific ones he might've been taking.

Boston offered him a deal too, just less. It's not people were scared of signing him, just thought he maybe wasn't worth that much money towards the end.

[batmagadanleadoff]

metirish wrote: Old, off the juice, and unwilling to take instruction. I doubt any of those are the cause. I know you are optimistic but Bay in fact has gotten older

Haven't we all?

Who would've thunk it that Beltran would be one of the healthiest and most dependable Mets this year?

[Benjamin Grimm]

Is the Beirut team still interested in him?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Jeter's having a shitty season too. What's your point?

[Ceetar]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Jeter's having a shitty season too. What's your point?

In both cases, they didn't even reject the offer, they tried it and it didn't work. Didn't feel right. wasn't good for them.

[Ceetar]

I guess my point is can we kill a guy without turning him into some hateful malcontent that just wants to twiddle his thumbs and swim in a pile of money?

[Vic Sage]

DUH. SHITIFIELD. hello....

i'd say he has adjusted. badly. He changed his approach when some shots died on the warning track, and he hasn't been heard from since. See "Wright, David".

[Guest Edgy DC]

It'd be a good day to find his homerun stroke, certainly.

[Ceetar]

Vic Sage wrote: DUH. SHITIFIELD. hello.... i'd say he has adjusted. badly. He changed his approach when some shots died on the warning track, and he hasn't been heard from since. See "Wright, David".

I'm confused. Didn't Wright hit 29 home runs in a down year, above his career average? All while maintaining he's not really a power hitter he's a gap hitter?

[batmagadanleadoff]

I have no hatred towards Bay. But I reserve the right to change my view if it should come out that he was knowingly concealing a significant health issue.

But boy oh boy does Bay suck.

[TransMonk]

Bay's struggles suggest to me that his problem is mechanical and not that he has gone from juicing to non-juicing. The graphs provided seem to suggest that as well. He is just not getting to balls that he was getting too before.

If his problems were only power related, I would be more likely to blame Citi or lack of juice, but he looks badly fooled on nearly every pitch thrown to him.

I have to believe his mechanical problems have been pointed out to him by multiple people, but that he either isn't listening or it has begun to get into his head as well.

[Ceetar]

Not trying to make excuses cause all these guys are having better years, and probably are better players, but you've got a lot of sluggers having iffy years. Pujols, Uggla, Dunn.. A-Rod's picked it up but he wasn't having a great year either. Howard's numbers are down some.

Might be some truth to the rumors about changing the baseball.

[Vic Sage]

Ceetar wrote: Vic Sage wrote: DUH. SHITIFIELD. hello.... i'd say he has adjusted. badly. He changed his approach when some shots died on the warning track, and he hasn't been heard from since. See "Wright, David". I'm confused. Didn't Wright hit 29 home runs in a down year, above his career average? All while maintaining he's not really a power hitter he's a gap hitter?

yes, you are confused. Wright went from a borderline MVP at Shea to a guy who has increased his K rate by 35% and dropped his OPS by 100 points, just to maintain his HR rate at Shiti. The only reason he hasn't fallen totally off a cliff production-wise, is he's a great player in the prime of his career. That he was able to be as productive as he was last year, when he had totally fucked up his approach the year before because of his homefield disadvantage, just goes to show how great he is... or was... or could be again. somewhere else.

[Guest attgig]

that should've been a hr. lower that fence...

[batmagadanleadoff]

Vic Sage wrote: Vic Sage wrote: DUH. SHITIFIELD. hello.... i'd say he has adjusted. badly. He changed his approach when some shots died on the warning track, and he hasn't been heard from since. See "Wright, David". I'm confused. Didn't Wright hit 29 home runs in a down year, above his career average? All while maintaining he's not really a power hitter he's a gap hitter? yes, you are confused. Wright went from a borderline MVP at Shea to a guy who has increased his K rate by 35% and dropped his OPS by 100 points, just to maintain his HR rate at Shiti. The only reason he hasn't fallen totally off a cliff production-wise, is he's a great player in the prime of his career. That he was able to be as productive as he was last year, when he had totally fucked up his approach the year before because of his homefield disadvantage, just goes to show how great he is... or was... or could be again. somewhere else.

Vic Sage/bml similarity score: through the roof!

[Ceetar]

except you make inferences that he didn't just had a bad year, he was purposely stat-padding because despite spending his whole career suggesting that he grasps that home runs aren't everything he purposely took an approach that would make him a weaker player that just hit home runs.

Maybe it was the influence of Jerry Manuel and his liking that style of player.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Ceetar wrote: Not trying to make excuses cause all these guys are having better years, and probably are better players, but you've got a lot of sluggers having iffy years. Pujols, Uggla, Dunn.. A-Rod's picked it up but he wasn't having a great year either. Howard's numbers are down some. Might be some truth to the rumors about changing the baseball.

You're making a lot of excuses in fact. You're explaining away his abandoning his coach's instructions because he didn't like them when the results of continuing the approach he had are only getting worse, suggesting age isn't a factor, introducing irrelevant comps, etc. I know this is an affront to your optimism but the guy is slugging 100 points less than last year, which was 100 points less than the year before. It's time to change.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

This is the biggest at-bat of Ruben Tejada's young career.

Base hit 2 runs!

[Guest attgig]

wow. nice hit. if the throw was on target, i think bay would've been out, but it was definitely worth the risk.

[bmfc1]

Ruben Tejada--Mr. Clutch.
In 2 games, he has 40% of the RBI that Bay has all season.

[TransMonk]

This game is getting better and better the more folks bitch about Bay.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Only one righty on the bench today.

[Ceetar]

bmfc1 wrote: Ruben Tejada--Mr. Clutch. In 2 games, he has 40% of the RBI that Bay has all season.

Of course two of his RBI yesterday were of the "the guy should've caught it" kind and Bay hit one to the track that took an amazing catch to turn into an out. But those are the breaks.

Nice to see Tejada come through, he's continued to look over matched most of the time since his callup. Suddenly this game is within grasp?